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My team has way more baguette eaters than usual for me, and way fewer pasta eaters than I tend to go for. There are also only 13 nationalities, so I might not be the biggest scorer during national championship week.
6 Frenchmen and 2 Italians on my team so I'm below my usual numbers for both. Interestingly, the total spend for each country is only ~100 points apart. 13 nationalities doesn't seem particularly low to me (I have 14 on my team).
 
I assume one popular picks I left out at end is a former GT winner who overcame a bad accident last yr with a team full of accidents?

I went for the guy who was popular last yr but didn't ride much in 2nd half
 
High risk v conservatism v emotional bias, as never before?

Will be happy to finish in the top half, but judging from the comments, this could one of the most exciting competitions in the 10 years I've been lucky enough to participate?
 
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My team is just submitted last minute. I made a draft team during the holidays and forgot about it. Only some minor changes still today, so let's hope for the best
 
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I'll do one too.
13 Nationalities.
- Belgium: 6
- France: 6
- Denmark: 5
- Spain: 4
- United Kingdom: 3
Only 1 Italian.

Not so sure about the Danish hype train. Usually you'd think you should just pick riders from countries with loads of small races.

1000+: 2
500-999: 3
200-499: 3
100-199: 7
1-99: 15
0: 3
 
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just had a look at my nationalities and I have:

BEL 7
FRA 4
GBR 4
COL 2
DEN 2
ESP 2
ITA 2
NOR 2
SLO 2
USA 1
AUT 1
CRO 1
GER 1
NED 1
UKR 1

not checked all the ages but I know that I go from very old (35+) to very young (<20)
 
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Mine is

14 Nationalities
- UK 9 (such a homer!)
- France, Belgium & USA 3 each
- Denmark, Spain, Norway, Slovakia & Netherlands 2 each
- Portugal, Switzerland, Russia, Australia & Italy 1 each

1000+: 1
500-999: 2
200-499: 9
100-199: 8
1-99: 13

Average age is 23.3 (age range is 19-30)
 
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Ten minutes until reveal!

I'm working on the popularity scores and will likely have the final ones in the next hour. I shared the provisional sheet with Shakes about 18 hours ago so that the site will have info consolidated quicker than I can do it manually. It won't be the final results (added 5 teams today and several others had changes) but it'll be pretty close.
 
Let’s get this show on the road!

I feel like I spent less time than usual on my team this year, not because I lacked the time or the motivation but because the overall strategy felt so obvious and there were so many must-picks. As I stated upthread, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if all 33 of my guys are on at least 10 teams. In a different year, I could easily have seen myself going for the textbook low-risk low-reward pick in Laporte or for a big early haul and then hoping they can stay on their bike for once in Plapp or Vine. In reality, I didn’t even consider them, because the expected value north of 1000 points was simply higher and I was perfectly happy throwing more cheap options in there. I mean, we all know which two riders I’m talking about, so let’s cut to the chase.

Jonas Vingegaard (1760) - I was never that deterministic about Vingegaard’s supposed dominance at the Tour, and similarly I’m not that deterministic about Pogacar’s. But even if he can’t match Pogacar, they won’t meet in the first half of the season and so he should be winning basically every race he starts in the meantime. If he’s still the second-best GC rider, he should still have 2500 points in him, perhaps more if he does the Vuelta too, and if he isn’t then he can push for 3000 again.
Wout van Aert (1259) - him failing to crack 2000 points in 2023 was rightly seen as a disappointing season, and then this year he can rightly blame everything on bad luck. While getting back to the 2800 points he’s managed twice will be hard, there’s no reason to think he won’t crack 2000 at bare minimum.

Obviously that limited the space I had everywhere else that wasn’t in the budget segment. In the end, I had four candidates for two slots in the 500-700 range, three options for two spots in the 400-500 range, and ended up completely skipping everything from there to the lower 200s. I did look at Lutsenko and Tiller there, but I just wasn’t confident enough that they weren’t going to have another underwhelming season. I never wanted Hayter - Soudal have three faster guys, two of whom can climb reasonably well, it would make a lot of sense to use him as a luxury domestique for Evenepoel, and Moscon proved that the team isn’t a panacea for fallen big names.

Moving back to the options I did consider, the two more expensive riders I wound up cutting were Ganna and Simon Yates. The former will suffer from no Olympic TT on the one hand and an incredibly hilly Worlds TT on the other hand, and in addition I don’t trust Ineos. The latter is seemingly only doing Tirreno and Catalunya prior to the Giro, which just ups the risk and lowers the reward. Both of them still have great potential, but in the end I went for Trek here.

Thibau Nys (702) - that amount of points, in just 34 race days, for a puncheur who did a grand total of four one-day races of which one flat race and one where he crashed, is insane. Yes, he still won’t be doing the most extensive schedule, but he will be racing more, focusing much more on the classics, and then he’s likely yet to hit his peak on top of that. But really, you can also put it more simply - if arguably the pre-season favourite for a race like Flèche is this cheap, it’s hard not to pick him.
Giulio Ciccone (555) - a full season at a level that saw him crack 1000 points in 2023, then this year he wasn’t really any worse but basically only got half a season where he was healthy and consequently also only half the points. No reason to expect he can’t at least get close to the quadruple digits again.

The 400-point-plus pick I omitted was Penhoët. A young sprinter who started his season in May and does lots of juicy French races ticks a lot of boxes, but his schedule doesn’t look quite as appealing this year with his planned GT debut looming large. I will be shocked if he doesn’t turn a profit, but I think my two alternatives have higher ceilings.

Antonio Morgado (411) - absolutely ridiculous first showing in the classics for a second-year U23, then couldn’t get anything together after that. That does imply a bit of risk, but there is very clearly a quadruple digit rider there and he could potentially reach those scores this year already.
Paul Magnier (405) - I’m a massive believer in his talent. Last year, when he was one of very few good picks on my team, he did a bunch of U23 races in the middle of the season, then crashed out of about 100 points and the final 6 weeks of his season in Britain. Really, he was already quite a bit stronger than those 405 points suggest, so even if he doesn’t improve much he should turn a decent profit. And I very much do expect him to improve. Like with Morgado, 1000 points is not out of the question.

That left very little budget indeed for those other 27 riders, so I’ll skip past discussing who else I didn’t pick as those omissions are less likely to change things drastically for me. This part of my team was mainly about whittling things down to get within budget, slowly stripping away about 200 points over the course of a couple of evenings. Those were really the only decisions I was still thinking about in the final week or so before the deadline - like I said, the overall framework was much more set in stone than usual.

Søren Kragh Andersen (205) - started the classics season with fitness issues last year and just couldn’t get going. In addition, being part of Trek’s armada (seriously, Pedersen plus Milan plus Stuyven plus Skujins plus him is impressive) should be more favourable than being Van der Poel’s lieutenant. No more burying himself in the first two hours of Ronde…
Victor Lafay (182) - very much looked like a man who was past his injury issues at the end of last year. In addition, being on a flying Decathlon team makes his Cofidis score - which would already make him a good pick if he matched it - look beatable…
Cian Uijtdebroeks (176) - one of my big disasters in 2024. When it seemed as though his issues were iliac artery-related, I seriously considered leaving him out, but now that it turns out that isn’t the case the chances of him picking up where he left off in 2023 are pretty good.
Jørgen Nordhagen (165) - rule number one of 2020s CQ is that you should always blindly trust the most exciting U23s turning pro, especially when they’re still really young. He is perhaps the best exhibit for 2025.
Matthew Brennan (146) - rule number one, exhibit B. As I’ve said on the main board, he is capable of picking up his first WT win Down Under.
Tao Geoghegan Hart (137) - will never be the world’s safest pick, but at this price it’s lunacy to pass on him.
Felix Engelhardt (133) - 456 points in your neopro season, then lots of bad luck with illness and injury in your second season making you 70% cheaper? I can’t think of many scenarios where I’d skip a rider like that.
Steffen de Schuyteneer (125) - perhaps there’s a little bit of De Lie PTSD playing a role here, but he’s looked a huge talent since his junior days and seems very much ready for the pros. Schedule shouldn’t be a problem either…
Pablo Torres (122) - rule number one, exhibit C.
Niklas Behrens (115) - rule number one, exhibit D.
Lennard Kämna (108) - always a risk when someone’s been out for that long, but he’s bounced back so many times already.
Andrea Bagioli (106) - doesn’t really have as good of an excuse for a bad 2024 as most of the comparable options, but at this price I never considered skipping him.

Tibor del Grosso (95) - his CX season suggests a big step up compared to 12 months ago. If he can match that improvement on the road - and he’s showed the potential to do so - he will do really well.
Taco van der Hoorn (95) - really obvious pick and really easy rider to root for, what’s not to like?
Rémi Cavagna (80) - Van Wilder after leaving Sunweb aside, I can’t think of anyone else in the time I’ve played this game where the sole act of changing teams has given me as much confidence in picking a rider.
Andreas Kron (68) - of the myriad obvious cheap options, he might be the single most obvious one.
Léo Bisiaux (63) - not quite as confident in him being ready as I am in the neopros above, but that’s why he’s cheaper. His talent is beyond doubt, though, and the French calendar usually makes the step up a bit easier.
Milan Vader (52) - hoping for a Damien Howson 2023 kind of effect here. Doesn’t have the greatest excuse for an underwhelming 2024, but while he did some easier races he did those same races in 2023 without doing much in that year either, and the races he got his points from that year he either didn’t do or crashed out of. That was enough to sway me in the end.
Florian Vermeersch (51) - this is about the fifth pick on this list who feels like he should be the most popular pick for the season…
Thomas Gloag (46) - third year in a row picking him, will this finally be the time his - and my - bad luck runs out? Him and Tulett being the only climbers in Visma’s TDU lineup does make me more hopeful…
Florian Senechal (37) - another rider for whom nothing went right last year. If Arkéa survive into 2026, they will have to fight tooth and nail for points next year, if not, he himself will have to fight tooth and nail to earn a contract somewhere.
Dylan van Baarle (35) - it’s definitely possible that he’s simply finished, but I’m not ready to ignore someone who won Omloop two years ago, Roubaix three years ago and is still only 32 when he’s this cheap. If he still has the drive, it’s a contract year to boot…
Ben Tulett (27) - he might actually have had the worst luck in 2024 out of anyone on my team, which is saying something. Like with Gloag, I like his potential Down Under.
Geoffrey Bouchard (25) - it definitely isn’t a guarantee that you come back after a year of injury when you’re in your 30s, but he was making it through his stage races - including a Vuelta - pretty comfortably in his two months of racing at the end of the year which isn’t a terrible sign. Together with Vader, the pick I was the least certain about.
Élie Gesbert (10) - kind of a similar deal to Kämna where he needs to bounce back from major injury once again, just with a lower price and ceiling.
Albert Withen Philipsen (0)
Paul Seixas (0) - picking juniors skipping directly to the pros hasn’t always worked out well, but both of them have had not just one, but two years of looking ridiculously talented under their belt. Not expecting the kind of miracle debut season we’ve seen in the past from Tarling and especially Evenepoel, but somewhere between 200 and 300 points like Uijtdebroeks managed certainly wouldn’t be a shock.

The cheaper riders who I either wound up stripping out to get within budget or seriously considered putting in when performing said budget cuts are Sentjens (who would have been in for sure had he been turning pro), Isidore, Carthy, Goossens, Faure Prost and Louvel. Widar was kind of in the same boat as Sentjens, but I wasn’t as close to going for him.
 
Data is live @ https://www.savius.at/CQGame/cqgame.php?page=RandomStats

(Link to only page with useful data for now as there are no scores)

One disclaimer: These teams are as of yesterday. Latest changes not incorporated (will check for those tomorrow in cooperation with @skidmark ). However, should be informational enough for though preliminary.

Most popular pick: Cian Uijtebroeks in 76 teams.
Most popular 0 score pick: Albert Withen Philipsen in 71 teams.
Most popular 1000+ score pick: the one and only Wout van Aert.
Most diverse team (relative to all other teams): Tricycles
Team with most overlap: Abbulf
Most expensive rider: Jonas, picked by 32 teams.
Cheapest team: RedheadDane (Why no Jonas?)
Surprise lottery pick: Jack Burke by rufs


Did see I need to fix team page. There number of teams with same rider is incorrect as it takes into account last year as well. To do!
 
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Let’s get this show on the road!

I feel like I spent less time than usual on my team this year, not because I lacked the time or the motivation but because the overall strategy felt so obvious and there were so many must-picks. As I stated upthread, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if all 33 of my guys are on at least 10 teams. In a different year, I could easily have seen myself going for the textbook low-risk low-reward pick in Laporte or for a big early haul and then hoping they can stay on their bike for once in Plapp or Vine. In reality, I didn’t even consider them, because the expected value north of 1000 points was simply higher and I was perfectly happy throwing more cheap options in there. I mean, we all know which two riders I’m talking about, so let’s cut to the chase.

Jonas Vingegaard (1760) - I was never that deterministic about Vingegaard’s supposed dominance at the Tour, and similarly I’m not that deterministic about Pogacar’s. But even if he can’t match Pogacar, they won’t meet in the first half of the season and so he should be winning basically every race he starts in the meantime. If he’s still the second-best GC rider, he should still have 2500 points in him, perhaps more if he does the Vuelta too, and if he isn’t then he can push for 3000 again.
Wout van Aert (1259) - him failing to crack 2000 points in 2023 was rightly seen as a disappointing season, and then this year he can rightly blame everything on bad luck. While getting back to the 2800 points he’s managed twice will be hard, there’s no reason to think he won’t crack 2000 at bare minimum.

Obviously that limited the space I had everywhere else that wasn’t in the budget segment. In the end, I had four candidates for two slots in the 500-700 range, three options for two spots in the 400-500 range, and ended up completely skipping everything from there to the lower 200s. I did look at Lutsenko and Tiller there, but I just wasn’t confident enough that they weren’t going to have another underwhelming season. I never wanted Hayter - Soudal have three faster guys, two of whom can climb reasonably well, it would make a lot of sense to use him as a luxury domestique for Evenepoel, and Moscon proved that the team isn’t a panacea for fallen big names.

Moving back to the options I did consider, the two more expensive riders I wound up cutting were Ganna and Simon Yates. The former will suffer from no Olympic TT on the one hand and an incredibly hilly Worlds TT on the other hand, and in addition I don’t trust Ineos. The latter is seemingly only doing Tirreno and Catalunya prior to the Giro, which just ups the risk and lowers the reward. Both of them still have great potential, but in the end I went for Trek here.

Thibau Nys (702) - that amount of points, in just 34 race days, for a puncheur who did a grand total of four one-day races of which one flat race and one where he crashed, is insane. Yes, he still won’t be doing the most extensive schedule, but he will be racing more, focusing much more on the classics, and then he’s likely yet to hit his peak on top of that. But really, you can also put it more simply - if arguably the pre-season favourite for a race like Flèche is this cheap, it’s hard not to pick him.
Giulio Ciccone (555) - a full season at a level that saw him crack 1000 points in 2023, then this year he wasn’t really any worse but basically only got half a season where he was healthy and consequently also only half the points. No reason to expect he can’t at least get close to the quadruple digits again.

The 400-point-plus pick I omitted was Penhoët. A young sprinter who started his season in May and does lots of juicy French races ticks a lot of boxes, but his schedule doesn’t look quite as appealing this year with his planned GT debut looming large. I will be shocked if he doesn’t turn a profit, but I think my two alternatives have higher ceilings.

Antonio Morgado (411) - absolutely ridiculous first showing in the classics for a second-year U23, then couldn’t get anything together after that. That does imply a bit of risk, but there is very clearly a quadruple digit rider there and he could potentially reach those scores this year already.
Paul Magnier (405) - I’m a massive believer in his talent. Last year, when he was one of very few good picks on my team, he did a bunch of U23 races in the middle of the season, then crashed out of about 100 points and the final 6 weeks of his season in Britain. Really, he was already quite a bit stronger than those 405 points suggest, so even if he doesn’t improve much he should turn a decent profit. And I very much do expect him to improve. Like with Morgado, 1000 points is not out of the question.

That left very little budget indeed for those other 27 riders, so I’ll skip past discussing who else I didn’t pick as those omissions are less likely to change things drastically for me. This part of my team was mainly about whittling things down to get within budget, slowly stripping away about 200 points over the course of a couple of evenings. Those were really the only decisions I was still thinking about in the final week or so before the deadline - like I said, the overall framework was much more set in stone than usual.

Søren Kragh Andersen (205) - started the classics season with fitness issues last year and just couldn’t get going. In addition, being part of Trek’s armada (seriously, Pedersen plus Milan plus Stuyven plus Skujins plus him is impressive) should be more favourable than being Van der Poel’s lieutenant. No more burying himself in the first two hours of Ronde…
Victor Lafay (182) - very much looked like a man who was past his injury issues at the end of last year. In addition, being on a flying Decathlon team makes his Cofidis score - which would already make him a good pick if he matched it - look beatable…
Cian Uijtdebroeks (176) - one of my big disasters in 2024. When it seemed as though his issues were iliac artery-related, I seriously considered leaving him out, but now that it turns out that isn’t the case the chances of him picking up where he left off in 2023 are pretty good.
Jørgen Nordhagen (165) - rule number one of 2020s CQ is that you should always blindly trust the most exciting U23s turning pro, especially when they’re still really young. He is perhaps the best exhibit for 2025.
Matthew Brennan (146) - rule number one, exhibit B. As I’ve said on the main board, he is capable of picking up his first WT win Down Under.
Tao Geoghegan Hart (137) - will never be the world’s safest pick, but at this price it’s lunacy to pass on him.
Felix Engelhardt (133) - 456 points in your neopro season, then lots of bad luck with illness and injury in your second season making you 70% cheaper? I can’t think of many scenarios where I’d skip a rider like that.
Steffen de Schuyteneer (125) - perhaps there’s a little bit of De Lie PTSD playing a role here, but he’s looked a huge talent since his junior days and seems very much ready for the pros. Schedule shouldn’t be a problem either…
Pablo Torres (122) - rule number one, exhibit C.
Niklas Behrens (115) - rule number one, exhibit D.
Lennard Kämna (108) - always a risk when someone’s been out for that long, but he’s bounced back so many times already.
Andrea Bagioli (106) - doesn’t really have as good of an excuse for a bad 2024 as most of the comparable options, but at this price I never considered skipping him.

Tibor del Grosso (95) - his CX season suggests a big step up compared to 12 months ago. If he can match that improvement on the road - and he’s showed the potential to do so - he will do really well.
Taco van der Hoorn (95) - really obvious pick and really easy rider to root for, what’s not to like?
Rémi Cavagna (80) - Van Wilder after leaving Sunweb aside, I can’t think of anyone else in the time I’ve played this game where the sole act of changing teams has given me as much confidence in picking a rider.
Andreas Kron (68) - of the myriad obvious cheap options, he might be the single most obvious one.
Léo Bisiaux (63) - not quite as confident in him being ready as I am in the neopros above, but that’s why he’s cheaper. His talent is beyond doubt, though, and the French calendar usually makes the step up a bit easier.
Milan Vader (52) - hoping for a Damien Howson 2023 kind of effect here. Doesn’t have the greatest excuse for an underwhelming 2024, but while he did some easier races he did those same races in 2023 without doing much in that year either, and the races he got his points from that year he either didn’t do or crashed out of. That was enough to sway me in the end.
Florian Vermeersch (51) - this is about the fifth pick on this list who feels like he should be the most popular pick for the season…
Thomas Gloag (46) - third year in a row picking him, will this finally be the time his - and my - bad luck runs out? Him and Tulett being the only climbers in Visma’s TDU lineup does make me more hopeful…
Florian Senechal (37) - another rider for whom nothing went right last year. If Arkéa survive into 2026, they will have to fight tooth and nail for points next year, if not, he himself will have to fight tooth and nail to earn a contract somewhere.
Dylan van Baarle (35) - it’s definitely possible that he’s simply finished, but I’m not ready to ignore someone who won Omloop two years ago, Roubaix three years ago and is still only 32 when he’s this cheap. If he still has the drive, it’s a contract year to boot…
Ben Tulett (27) - he might actually have had the worst luck in 2024 out of anyone on my team, which is saying something. Like with Gloag, I like his potential Down Under.
Geoffrey Bouchard (25) - it definitely isn’t a guarantee that you come back after a year of injury when you’re in your 30s, but he was making it through his stage races - including a Vuelta - pretty comfortably in his two months of racing at the end of the year which isn’t a terrible sign. Together with Vader, the pick I was the least certain about.
Élie Gesbert (10) - kind of a similar deal to Kämna where he needs to bounce back from major injury once again, just with a lower price and ceiling.
Albert Withen Philipsen (0)
Paul Seixas (0) - picking juniors skipping directly to the pros hasn’t always worked out well, but both of them have had not just one, but two years of looking ridiculously talented under their belt. Not expecting the kind of miracle debut season we’ve seen in the past from Tarling and especially Evenepoel, but somewhere between 200 and 300 points like Uijtdebroeks managed certainly wouldn’t be a shock.

The cheaper riders who I either wound up stripping out to get within budget or seriously considered putting in when performing said budget cuts are Sentjens (who would have been in for sure had he been turning pro), Isidore, Carthy, Goossens, Faure Prost and Louvel. Widar was kind of in the same boat as Sentjens, but I wasn’t as close to going for him.
Same 2 +1000s :p
 
Let’s get this show on the road!

I feel like I spent less time than usual on my team this year, not because I lacked the time or the motivation but because the overall strategy felt so obvious and there were so many must-picks. As I stated upthread, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if all 33 of my guys are on at least 10 teams. In a different year, I could easily have seen myself going for the textbook low-risk low-reward pick in Laporte or for a big early haul and then hoping they can stay on their bike for once in Plapp or Vine. In reality, I didn’t even consider them, because the expected value north of 1000 points was simply higher and I was perfectly happy throwing more cheap options in there. I mean, we all know which two riders I’m talking about, so let’s cut to the chase.

Jonas Vingegaard (1760) - I was never that deterministic about Vingegaard’s supposed dominance at the Tour, and similarly I’m not that deterministic about Pogacar’s. But even if he can’t match Pogacar, they won’t meet in the first half of the season and so he should be winning basically every race he starts in the meantime. If he’s still the second-best GC rider, he should still have 2500 points in him, perhaps more if he does the Vuelta too, and if he isn’t then he can push for 3000 again.
Wout van Aert (1259) - him failing to crack 2000 points in 2023 was rightly seen as a disappointing season, and then this year he can rightly blame everything on bad luck. While getting back to the 2800 points he’s managed twice will be hard, there’s no reason to think he won’t crack 2000 at bare minimum.

Obviously that limited the space I had everywhere else that wasn’t in the budget segment. In the end, I had four candidates for two slots in the 500-700 range, three options for two spots in the 400-500 range, and ended up completely skipping everything from there to the lower 200s. I did look at Lutsenko and Tiller there, but I just wasn’t confident enough that they weren’t going to have another underwhelming season. I never wanted Hayter - Soudal have three faster guys, two of whom can climb reasonably well, it would make a lot of sense to use him as a luxury domestique for Evenepoel, and Moscon proved that the team isn’t a panacea for fallen big names.

Moving back to the options I did consider, the two more expensive riders I wound up cutting were Ganna and Simon Yates. The former will suffer from no Olympic TT on the one hand and an incredibly hilly Worlds TT on the other hand, and in addition I don’t trust Ineos. The latter is seemingly only doing Tirreno and Catalunya prior to the Giro, which just ups the risk and lowers the reward. Both of them still have great potential, but in the end I went for Trek here.

Thibau Nys (702) - that amount of points, in just 34 race days, for a puncheur who did a grand total of four one-day races of which one flat race and one where he crashed, is insane. Yes, he still won’t be doing the most extensive schedule, but he will be racing more, focusing much more on the classics, and then he’s likely yet to hit his peak on top of that. But really, you can also put it more simply - if arguably the pre-season favourite for a race like Flèche is this cheap, it’s hard not to pick him.
Giulio Ciccone (555) - a full season at a level that saw him crack 1000 points in 2023, then this year he wasn’t really any worse but basically only got half a season where he was healthy and consequently also only half the points. No reason to expect he can’t at least get close to the quadruple digits again.

The 400-point-plus pick I omitted was Penhoët. A young sprinter who started his season in May and does lots of juicy French races ticks a lot of boxes, but his schedule doesn’t look quite as appealing this year with his planned GT debut looming large. I will be shocked if he doesn’t turn a profit, but I think my two alternatives have higher ceilings.

Antonio Morgado (411) - absolutely ridiculous first showing in the classics for a second-year U23, then couldn’t get anything together after that. That does imply a bit of risk, but there is very clearly a quadruple digit rider there and he could potentially reach those scores this year already.
Paul Magnier (405) - I’m a massive believer in his talent. Last year, when he was one of very few good picks on my team, he did a bunch of U23 races in the middle of the season, then crashed out of about 100 points and the final 6 weeks of his season in Britain. Really, he was already quite a bit stronger than those 405 points suggest, so even if he doesn’t improve much he should turn a decent profit. And I very much do expect him to improve. Like with Morgado, 1000 points is not out of the question.

That left very little budget indeed for those other 27 riders, so I’ll skip past discussing who else I didn’t pick as those omissions are less likely to change things drastically for me. This part of my team was mainly about whittling things down to get within budget, slowly stripping away about 200 points over the course of a couple of evenings. Those were really the only decisions I was still thinking about in the final week or so before the deadline - like I said, the overall framework was much more set in stone than usual.

Søren Kragh Andersen (205) - started the classics season with fitness issues last year and just couldn’t get going. In addition, being part of Trek’s armada (seriously, Pedersen plus Milan plus Stuyven plus Skujins plus him is impressive) should be more favourable than being Van der Poel’s lieutenant. No more burying himself in the first two hours of Ronde…
Victor Lafay (182) - very much looked like a man who was past his injury issues at the end of last year. In addition, being on a flying Decathlon team makes his Cofidis score - which would already make him a good pick if he matched it - look beatable…
Cian Uijtdebroeks (176) - one of my big disasters in 2024. When it seemed as though his issues were iliac artery-related, I seriously considered leaving him out, but now that it turns out that isn’t the case the chances of him picking up where he left off in 2023 are pretty good.
Jørgen Nordhagen (165) - rule number one of 2020s CQ is that you should always blindly trust the most exciting U23s turning pro, especially when they’re still really young. He is perhaps the best exhibit for 2025.
Matthew Brennan (146) - rule number one, exhibit B. As I’ve said on the main board, he is capable of picking up his first WT win Down Under.
Tao Geoghegan Hart (137) - will never be the world’s safest pick, but at this price it’s lunacy to pass on him.
Felix Engelhardt (133) - 456 points in your neopro season, then lots of bad luck with illness and injury in your second season making you 70% cheaper? I can’t think of many scenarios where I’d skip a rider like that.
Steffen de Schuyteneer (125) - perhaps there’s a little bit of De Lie PTSD playing a role here, but he’s looked a huge talent since his junior days and seems very much ready for the pros. Schedule shouldn’t be a problem either…
Pablo Torres (122) - rule number one, exhibit C.
Niklas Behrens (115) - rule number one, exhibit D.
Lennard Kämna (108) - always a risk when someone’s been out for that long, but he’s bounced back so many times already.
Andrea Bagioli (106) - doesn’t really have as good of an excuse for a bad 2024 as most of the comparable options, but at this price I never considered skipping him.

Tibor del Grosso (95) - his CX season suggests a big step up compared to 12 months ago. If he can match that improvement on the road - and he’s showed the potential to do so - he will do really well.
Taco van der Hoorn (95) - really obvious pick and really easy rider to root for, what’s not to like?
Rémi Cavagna (80) - Van Wilder after leaving Sunweb aside, I can’t think of anyone else in the time I’ve played this game where the sole act of changing teams has given me as much confidence in picking a rider.
Andreas Kron (68) - of the myriad obvious cheap options, he might be the single most obvious one.
Léo Bisiaux (63) - not quite as confident in him being ready as I am in the neopros above, but that’s why he’s cheaper. His talent is beyond doubt, though, and the French calendar usually makes the step up a bit easier.
Milan Vader (52) - hoping for a Damien Howson 2023 kind of effect here. Doesn’t have the greatest excuse for an underwhelming 2024, but while he did some easier races he did those same races in 2023 without doing much in that year either, and the races he got his points from that year he either didn’t do or crashed out of. That was enough to sway me in the end.
Florian Vermeersch (51) - this is about the fifth pick on this list who feels like he should be the most popular pick for the season…
Thomas Gloag (46) - third year in a row picking him, will this finally be the time his - and my - bad luck runs out? Him and Tulett being the only climbers in Visma’s TDU lineup does make me more hopeful…
Florian Senechal (37) - another rider for whom nothing went right last year. If Arkéa survive into 2026, they will have to fight tooth and nail for points next year, if not, he himself will have to fight tooth and nail to earn a contract somewhere.
Dylan van Baarle (35) - it’s definitely possible that he’s simply finished, but I’m not ready to ignore someone who won Omloop two years ago, Roubaix three years ago and is still only 32 when he’s this cheap. If he still has the drive, it’s a contract year to boot…
Ben Tulett (27) - he might actually have had the worst luck in 2024 out of anyone on my team, which is saying something. Like with Gloag, I like his potential Down Under.
Geoffrey Bouchard (25) - it definitely isn’t a guarantee that you come back after a year of injury when you’re in your 30s, but he was making it through his stage races - including a Vuelta - pretty comfortably in his two months of racing at the end of the year which isn’t a terrible sign. Together with Vader, the pick I was the least certain about.
Élie Gesbert (10) - kind of a similar deal to Kämna where he needs to bounce back from major injury once again, just with a lower price and ceiling.
Albert Withen Philipsen (0)
Paul Seixas (0) - picking juniors skipping directly to the pros hasn’t always worked out well, but both of them have had not just one, but two years of looking ridiculously talented under their belt. Not expecting the kind of miracle debut season we’ve seen in the past from Tarling and especially Evenepoel, but somewhere between 200 and 300 points like Uijtdebroeks managed certainly wouldn’t be a shock.

The cheaper riders who I either wound up stripping out to get within budget or seriously considered putting in when performing said budget cuts are Sentjens (who would have been in for sure had he been turning pro), Isidore, Carthy, Goossens, Faure Prost and Louvel. Widar was kind of in the same boat as Sentjens, but I wasn’t as close to going for him.
We have like 23 the same riders and over 5000 points spent on the same riders.
 
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(Link to only page with useful data for now as there are no scores)

One disclaimer: These teams are as of yesterday. Latest changes not incorporated (will check for those tomorrow in cooperation with @skidmark ). However, should be informational enough for though preliminary.

Most popular pick: Cian Uijtebroeks in 76 teams.
Most popular 0 score pick: Albert Withen Philipsen in 71 teams.
Most popular 1000+ score pick: the one and only Wout van Aert.
Most diverse team (relative to all other teams): Tricycles
Team with most overlap: Abbulf
Most expensive rider: Jonas, picked by 32 teams.
Cheapest team: RedheadDane (Why no Jonas?)
Surprise lottery pick: Jack Burke by rufs


Did see I need to fix team page. There number of teams with same rider is incorrect as it takes into account last year as well. To do!
If I understand this correctly, I'm in the top 3 with most similar/average teams?
 
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas
VAN AERT Wout
CHRISTEN Jan
PIGANZOLI Davide
MAGNIER Paul
RICCITELLO Matthew
HAYTER Ethan
TEUTENBERG Tim Torn
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
NORDHAGEN Jørgen
SÖDERQVIST Jakob
WIDAR Jarno
BRENNAN Matthew
CRAPS Lars
RONDEL Mathys
ISIDORE Noa
DE SCHUYTENEER Steffen
TORRES ARIAS Pablo
BEHRENS Niklas
KÄMNA Lennard
BAGIOLI Andrea
KRON Andreas Lorentz
BISIAUX Léo
VADER Milan
VERMEERSCH Florian
GLOAG Thomas
VAN BAARLE Dylan
TULETT Ben
HATHERLY Alan
GESBERT Elie
DINHAM Matthew
SEIXAS Paul
PHILIPSEN Albert Withen
 
My team with some comments:

VAN AERT Wout 1259


Should be a solid expensive pick with a realistic chance to improve well. Still skipping Strade and MSR and also riding Giro with Kooij besides the Tour almost made me think Vingegaard was the better +1000 pick, if only including one of them, but in the end he got the spot



POWLESS Neilson 691

A solid pick that should improve missing a lot of the season last year but finding his best form again in the end, but definetly not acertain pick. Only got on the team in the end when I droppped Vingegaard and went for some midrange riders instead.



GANNA Filippo 644

Another guy that only made the team when Vingegaard was dropped, but should be a good pick. Sounds very motivated to get a lot of results this year and can do well in many races, and the dissapointing 2024 was also a lot down to the olympic focus, while he now is very focussed on the road again, so see no reason why he cant come close to his 2023 score.


CICCONE Giulio 555

Still in his prime and missing half the season last year, should definetly improve well.


GALL Felix 459

Dissapointing last year but also unlucky and still young and with huge potential following 2023, and also solo leader now with O'Connor leaving Ag2r so a fairly certain pick


PENHOËT Paul 415

A very underwhelming sprinter, but also very solid and capable of scoring many points as the teams clear nr 1 sprinter with a lot of easy points available, and solid pick after missing half the season last year. Still also a rider that only made the team when Vingegaard was dropped.


RICCITELLO Matthew 333

Yet another rider that first made the team to replace Vingegaard, but also a exiting talent that definetly has room for big improvement


DEMARE Arnaud 316

Picking older sprinters after bad seasons has often been a bad idea, but Im a bit stubborn I guess. Surely not in his prime anymore but still very solid and capable of scoring many points and again someone that missed a lot of last year giving him good room to improve


WELSFORD Sam 308

Hopefully it was the focus on the olympics that was the reason behind his bad form after TDU last year, and I think still with a good future ahead, very fast and with one of the best leadouts in the world at his disposal and sounds very motivated to do well all year, so a solid pick



HAYTER Ethan 263


A bit of a joker and hard to say what he will do but usually Quick Step is not too bad to get someone going well, and again much of his bad year was due to olympic focus and with his previous scores I did not dare leaving him out.


JAKOBSEN Fabio 189

The best sprinter in the world both before and after his injury at 189points with him only being 28 was too hard to pass, even though last year was horrible bad from him and he might be completely done. But he seems motivated and fit (apparantly having lost some weight also ahead of the new season) and has a good potential so he got a chance, though he was definetly not as certain as he ought to be at the price.



LAFAY Victor 182

Certain pick after a unlucky year


UIJTDEBROEKS Cian 176

Certain pick after a unlucky year


NORDHAGEN Jørgen 165

Im usually quite sceptical towards the norwegian talents that often seems to stagnate quickly after the youth career, but he definetly seems a bit extraordinary and might be an exception and was too risky to leave out


WIDAR Jarno 162

A real super talent but riding mostly u23 races in 2025 made him less obvious, but I guess he will still get enough chances in the proraces to still be a good pick


BRENNAN Matthew 146

Huge sprintertalent that should get chances enough to do decently well and that perhaps could surprise



GEOGHEGANHART Tao 137

Very certain after his unlucky last year


TORRES ARIAS Pablo 122

Biggest climbing talent of 2024 and a very certain pick with the way UAEs other supertalents has been performing from the start


KÄMNA Lennard 108

Tricky with his bad injury, but sounds like he is ready to ride again so had to get a chance at the price


BAGIOLI Andrea 106

Certain at the price with his still relatively young age


LOUVEL Matîs 101

Again one of the riders that made the team in the puzzle when Vinegaard was removed, and the last rider to be added and mostly due to him fitting the last points well. But should be a solid pick as both he and his teamsounds quite confident ahead of next year and over his problems from this year


NIZZOLO Giacomo 91


Very boring pick and yet another sprinter past his prime, but still he was just to cheap to leave out, when he still sounded motivated for next year and is over all his injury problems from last year


BAX Sjoerd 86

No longer a UAE slave but getting his own chances next year, and sounds very optimistic that the huge potential he has only shown in glimpses so far can be shown a lot more, so he had to get a chance.


CARTHY Hugh 82

Another super boring pick. No idea why he was so bad this year after Camino,but still only 30 and should normally score enough to be a really solid pick at the price. Still he was definetly not certain and was one of the candidates to be sacrificed in the puzzle, but got the chance in the end


CAVAGNA Rémi 80

Certain pick going back to a normal french team for him and hopefully a normal cq-score for him also


KRON Andreas Lorentz 68

Certain after his unlucky year


FERRON Valentin 59

Last rider to make the team, as I had big doubts in the end if it was him or M Vader that would get the last spot, but should be a solid pick again as both he and his team sounds very confident that he will be back to his best next year after a dissapointing year


VERMEERSCH Florian 51

Very certain after missing so much of last year and even though he may not always get to ride for himself at UAE


GLOAG Thomas 46

Certain after him losing so much of last year and still showing the talent. Hopefully its now time to have a year with no bad luck.



SENECHAL Florian 37

Very solid pick after his bad luck last year


VAN BAARLE Dylan 35

Very certain pick


TULETT Ben 27

Was one of the worlds biggest talents for hilly one day races, but decided to try and become a GC-rider instead of focussing on those, which has so far failed completely, but still the raw talent is there for sure so he had to get a chance, and hopefully he will maybe try to focus on the races that suits him the most again, or prove my scepsis on the other gamble wrong. I did not dare leave him out at the price. And like Gloag he also has a great chance to get a good start with the easy big points in Tour Down Under which is always a nice bonus



PHILIPSEN Albert Withen 0

Still very young and might dissapoint compared to the huge hype, but had to get a chance with the huge potential he has shown.











The riders that were closest to make the team and didnt were these:





Vingegaard, Staune-Mittet, Ewan, Vader and Seixas

that was skipped in the last switch against

Powless, Ganna, Penhoet, Riccitello and Louvel


And then also Del Grosso, that was close to one of 2 spots both instead of Ewan and Seixas in the first pick and instead of Louvel in the last

And then also these riders were all judged as very good picks that were included in the team in some combinations along the way: Dinham (also close with Seixas) , Gesbert, Bouchard, R Costa, Rondel, H Artz, Goosens, Schuyteneer, S.Kragh, August, Lecerf and as a expensive alternative Laporte.


Regarding Vingegaard, he was definetly a obvious candidate, but for me the thing that put me of him in the end was that the Giro/Tour plan that seemed likely first in the proces, started to sound more and moreunlikely, while he also sounded more interested in the WorldChampionships, which could mean he could perhaps also end up skippingthe Vuelta (as it might become too much away from the family otherwice) and only ride 1 GT, and then ofcourse also that if he ends with 2600 points or so that seemed likely, then it would be decent given his price, but not that good when the whole team ideally should double the score or so, and at the same time I never really became satisfied with the full combination with mostly some doubts over Ewan (that could potentially crack completely mentally after being leftout of Down Under) and Seixas (being perhaps too young to score enough or alternatively to him Dinham (where the healing of his injury could still take some time despite his new contract) or with other combinations like too young Del Grosso/Schuyteneer or too boring Kragh/Gesbert, while I also felt Powless, Ganna and Penhoet was a really solid trio of picks, that combined could score as well as Vingegaard with less risk. So in the end I changed the plan and went with them, though I changed back and forth 10 times the last day and may very well regret it. After dumping Vingegaard and Van Aert then came out with his less than optimal season-plan I also considdered to skip Van Aert and Powless instead of Vingegaard and 1more maybe with a few other adjustments, but in the end I felt Van Aert should still score enough more certainly than more expensive Vingegaard, but again it was a close call. It will definetly be interesting and have a big inpact on the game to see how well the 2 will do compared to the good middlerange picks, and also to see how popular they will be.





Yesterdays news of Ewan likely leaving Jayco, and very likely going to a better teamrole as pure sprintleader with Astana, combined with the news of Seixas beating Vingegaards old mountain-record today (though behind Pogacar and Oxenberg) makes me then feel I should have probbably kept that combination, and I would probably have used that if I sent it in today instead, but I would still have been very much in doubt, but it shows a bit how random it can sometimes be with the tough choises.
 
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