The 2025 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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I have the top 16 most popular riders in my team. Does anyone have even more?
I have 18 of the top 21, which isn't a surprise as I usually end up with quite a popular team. But I don't have #2 and #3, which is Van Baarle and Vermeersch.

For the first time since... ever, in this game, I just completely missed an obvious pick, in Vermeersch. I have a pretty rigorous process for making my longlist, which involves going through the whole individual rankings (taking note of riders who dropped), then going through the team rankings, which have year-by-year comparisons in case I missed anyone. I'm not sure how that slipped by, but it's cool to be humbled every now and then. I didn't notice this until I was compiling the popularity tables yesterday - I suppose I could see a scenario where his 2023 was an anomaly due to more leadership opportunities and an unreplicable run of form, but even so he's probably good for 4-500 minimum, which I would absolutely take as a risk/reward on my team. And it's not like UAE doesn't spread the wealth around.

Van Baarle I looked at but left off my longlist... partially because I thought his ceiling might be a bit lower as he's gaining years, but honestly I think by the time I got down to him in the standings, I was sick of adding the entire Visma team to my longlist and that probably played a role. If I tossed him on my longlist dispassionately and then revisited it a month later to shorten the list, he probably would have been a 50/50 choice to make it.

Ah well, it's kind of exhilarating to be behind the 8-ball on that front, and it seems like I've got several key riders that are pretty rare so I'll lean into that. But i probably won't make a habit of missing the obvious ones, certainly not on purpose.
 
The most interesting fact about my team is the way I picked it. Instead of going with The Basque Boys for the third year in a row (BTW, @Shakes, I'd much appreciate it if you'd changed my team name to Samu Cuenca on your website), I have chosen to make a sort of gender swap remake of the film/play/musical Calendar Girls, in the sense that I have included riders born on each day of a month (spread out over all 12 months). Since there are no more than 31 days in any of the months, I have two riders born on the 1st and two born on the 2nd.

That's incredible.
 
For the first time since... ever, in this game, I just completely missed an obvious pick, in Vermeersch.
Vermeersch I had tabs on very early actually. Throughout the year I kept tabs on all the injuries during the season from PCS so I had him on my longlist already in February after his crash in Murcia when it became clear that he was going to miss the whole classics season.
 
A bit surprised I had the team with the most overlap, as I have had a break from following cycling from 2020 until this year's Tour de France. But I spent some hours of the holidays doing research, and it seems that I found most of the popular cheap picks. It seems that it is for the more expensive riders that my team is least popular, so those will probably be make or break.

Here is my team with some short comments:

VAN AERT Wout
Seemed like an obvious pick. Injuries notwithstanding he should get quite a bit more points than last year, and the potential is clearly there for doubling the points, even if the spring schedule don't seem perfect. Not really in doubt here.

NYS Thibau
One of the first names on my team sheet. Was really impressed with him last year, and as with Van Aert, I can not see a way of him not getting a lot more points as long as he stays injury free. He will be a strong candidate for all the hilly spring classics, and he had no points from those last year. 1500 points seem realistic.

JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland
Not as certain on him, but as I am Norwegian he is a rider I am rooting for. When in doubt I tried to include players I like, and he was one of these. Seemed to have a bit of bad luck last year, and will be leader in all his races for a Uno-x who will be chasing points. 1000 points seem like a fair possibility.

CHRISTEN Jan
A bit surprised that he was not more popular. Impressed me a lot last season. Still very young. Will get lots of opportunities - now also without Hirschi on the team. As with Nys, I will be a bit disappointed if he does not double his score.

ARENSMAN Thymen
Perhaps the pick I was most unsure on. I changed a lot between riders around the 500 point mark, and in the end he made the team. Should get lots of chances in a not impressive Ineos. Seems to do a good grand tour a year, he is still young and his 2022 season shows that there is potential for a high score. Fingers crossed he will make a mark also outside of the grand tours this year. Perhaps regretting this pick a bit already though.

VINE Jay
Injured most of last year, and I feel that the potential is higher than what he has scored so far in his career. Not young, but this is only his fourth full season in the pro circuit. With an injury free year I am fairly certain that he will at least be an ok pick.

SCHMID Mauro
Like Christen a rider I like to watch. Also still relatively young and it feels as if he has not peaked yet. Fingers crossed for further progression. A bit unsure here - partly a sentimentality pick.

MAGNIER Paul
Was super impressed by him at the end of last season. I think it is more likely than not that he will double his score this year. Certain pick for me.

HAGENES Per Strand
Not certain on him. Price is perhaps a bit high. But it seemed at the end of last season that he had adapted to a higher level. And as I am Norwegian I could not miss the opportunity to cheer a bit extra for him in the coming year. Should increase his score, but I can perhaps not expect a double from 2024.

HAYTER Ethan
Not really possible to leave out at that price - especially after going to Quickstep.

ROLLAND Brieuc
Was impressed by him in the Polynormande last year, and have kept an eye on him since. Young and clearly with talent, and he rides for a French team. Will hopefully get lots of chances in the French 1.1 races. Happy with this pick, even if I only share him with 6 other teams. Never really in doubt on this pick.

UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
Not really sure here - he was really bad last year. But not possible to leave out at the price.

NORDHAGEN Jørgen
One of my first picks. Norwegian. Huge talent. Really started making a mark in pro races towards the end of the season. May be only ok, but this can be a really good pick. Unfortunately I share him with 48 other teams.

WIDAR Jarno
Same as Nordhagen. Huge potential. Not perfect that he is in the developement team, but I understand that it is mostly due to him wanting to race the WC as an U23, and I expect that he will mostly ride with the pro team in non-WT races, which could be just perfect. Quite hopeful here.

STAUNE-MITTET Johannes
Partly cause he is Norwegian and partly cause he is moving to Decathlon where he clearly will get more leadership opportunities. Seemed to have stalled a bit last year, but the talent is still there and the price is low.

BRENNAN Matthew
Another young talent with a very high ceiling. Certain pick for me. Also, I find it a lot more fun to have picked a young guy like him rather than someone that might or might not be completely over the top.

GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
As with Cian - unsure, but potential is too high to miss - even though I am more excited by the youngsters.

TORRES ARIAS Pablo
Another one with huge potential - and UAE seem to give the young ones opportunities early. Was really impressive at Avenir. No brainer.

KÄMNA Lennard
Still young enough that an average season will make him a good pick. Not super excited by him, but never really in doubt either.

BAGIOLI Andrea
Not sure what happened last year, but by reviewing prior years alone, he seems like a certain pick. Still fairly young also.

CARTHY Hugh
Barely made the team. But if he stays injury free I can not see how he does not improve from last year. Not the same potential as some of the youngsters though.

CAVAGNA Rémi
No brainer. Back on a French team. Happy I found him.

KRON Andreas Lorentz
Another no brainer. As with Johannessen, will have leadership in pretty much all his races, and I can not see how this will not be a great pick.

VERMEERSCH Florian
Another no brainer. Still young. Missed lots of last season. Amazing the year before.

PESCADOR CASTRO Diego Fernando
Not at all sure about this one. But people seem to talk highly of him, and hopefully he will get his chances in a not too strong Movistar team. Also, If I am taking chances I prefer it to be on someone young.

SENECHAL Florian
Fingers crossed he is not too old. At the price he is worth the gamle in any case.

VAN BAARLE Dylan
Same as Senechal. I have a bit more faith in Van Baarle though. Not really in doubt about picking any of these two.

TULETT Ben
Young and has shown a lot of potential, even if last year was not great. Certain pick for me at the price.

JANSEN Amund Grøndahl
My unique pick. Probably a stupid pick as he has had way too many poor seasons full of injuries. But I liked him a lot when at Visma, and now being at Uno-X I hope he will get the chance to ride for himself again in smaller one day races. If so, and if he stays injury free, I cross my fingers hoping that he will not be the useless pick he most likely will be. Sentiment more than rationale here.

GESBERT Elie
Cheap and with some pretty decent seasons before last. Also he rides for a French team that does not have too much talent. Low risk. Decent potential.

SEIXAS Paul
Too much potential to ignore when he comes on a free, even if he is very young.

PHILIPSEN Albert Withen
See Seixas

DINHAM Matthew
I was a bit unsure here even if he is on a free, as it seems he will carry his injury issues into the spring. But the new 3 year contract indicates that the upside is there. Still young and too much potential to be skipped when he is on a free.

Thanks again to Skidmark for arranging this. From my two prior participations I know that having a team makes the season a lot more fun to follow. This year I also plan to join the emerging riders competition, for the first time.

Good luck to everybody!
 
Every year i am struggling to gain information about top junior or U-23 riders who become Pros. Where do u get this infor mation???
Result databases. Articles on several websites. Being Flemish helps in this regard. It's good to be a bit proactive, like searching the internet when you notice a new name with good results or a (future) contract.

But on this forum you can get a lot of information as well, like during the (bigger) U23 races.
 
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So, here is my very first participation in this game: 33 riders, with a total of 7499 CQ points. The average age is 24,45, from 9 nationalities and 18 teams. France and Visma-LaB are the most represented.



VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas (1760 CQ | 28 yrs | Denmark | Visma-LaB)

By far the most expensive one, but Jonas should bring in a lot of points if he stays healthy. He scored more in the two seasons before, so why not this year? He'll probably ride 2 grand tours and even the Worlds on a heavy course, with a bunch of other stage races. And besides that certain Slovenalien, he is the best GC rider of them all.

VAN AERT Wout (1259 CQ | 30 yrs | Belgium |Visma-LaB)

Still expensive, but everyone knows that he'll reach a much higher points total if he doesn't have that ridiculous amount of bad luck. Hence the number of managers that chose him. Go get those big wins Wout, you deserve them!

VAN WILDER Ilan (585 CQ | 24 yrs | Belgium | Soudal-QuickStep)

Big gap to my third most expensive rider. Ilan almost got twice as much points the season before, and he's still only 24 years old. 'Remco Light' has every right to aim higher, considering he's still an interesting GC prospect and able to do deliver some solid one day performances as well.

TARLING Joshua (484 CQ | 20 yrs | Great-Britain | INEOS-Grenadiers)

Still only 20, lol! One of the best time trialists, with lots of room to improve in one day races. His 2023 was even stronger than his 2024, so a better 2025 would be the opposite of a surprise. He isn't among the most popular picks, that actually does surprise me a bit.

MAGNIER Paul (405 CQ | 20 yrs | France | Soudal-QuickStep)

Tarling's peer. Had a stellar debut season, but don't forget that he still did a lot of minor races and even raced the U23 ranks more than once. They really believe in Paul at the Wolfpack and with such a speedy kick and ability to survive hills, it seems rather obvious.

MIHKELS Madis (340 CQ | 21 yrs | Estonia | EF Education-EP)

Fast, strong, Estonia's new golden boy. He didn't win last year, but he showed his talent here and there and I expect him to step up this season at EF. Bronze at the Euro's and top ten in Roubaix are actually big results.

DEMARE Arnaud (316 CQ | 33 yrs | France | Arkea-B&B Hotels)

One of my two oldest riders. Arnaud had his worst season since turning pro (!) so you can expect him to do better this year. Secretly hoping he'll do some more minor or local races to get that winning feeling back.

HAYTER Ethan (263 CQ | 26 yrs | Great-Britain | Soudal-QuickStep)

Really good transfer. QuickStep is the team that knows how to revive riders like Ethan, and I expect this to happen with him too. He still has a lot of interesting qualities and the potential to score a lot more than 263.

LAMPAERT Yves (220 CQ | 33 yrs | Belgium | Soudal-QuickStep)

The other 33 year old, and one of my bigger gambles. But surely the Wolfpack will try to prove something in the classics. Reaching more than 220 shouldn't be that hard, certainly when you know 'Lampi' is also at the end of his current contract. Not that many chose him though.

JAKOBSEN Fabio (189 CQ | 28 yrs | Netherlands | Team Picnic-PostNL)

Jakob had a horrible season, but they seem to have figured out why. Too muscular, suffering too much uphill and never reaching the sprint with fresh legs. Same situation as Démare: will probably do significantly better than his worst season so far.

LAFAY Victor (182 CQ | 28 yrs | France | Decathlon-Ag2r)

One of the few riders who underperformed at Ag2r last year. I expect Victor to turn this around at least a little, with his allround qualities.

THOMAS Benjamin (177 CQ | 29 yrs | France | Cofidis)

No Olympics this year, so less focus on the track. Still managed to grab a Giro stage, could easily be more in 2025. A bit of a gamble because he only had one +200 season in recent years, but he should be at the top of his game at 29 years.

UIJTDEBROEKS Cian (176 CQ | 21 yrs | Belgium |Visma-LaB)

Obvious choice. Still a huge talent, last season was very misfortunate.

WIDAR Jarno (162 CQ | 19 yrs | Belgium | Lotto Development)

Arguably the best climber among the espoirs last season, as a november born first year no less! Will do some pro races and he has spirit, so I expect some nice results. One of the top favourites for l'Avenir and the U23 worlds.

EEKHOFF Nils (142 CQ | 26 yrs | Netherlands | Team Picnic-PostNL)

Only one other manager chose him? Weird. Ok, he didn't really deliver yet, but don't be surprised if Nils suddenly reaches a new level. Still lots of chances at Picnic-PostNl, I think, and also at contract year.

GEOGHEGAN HART Teo (137 CQ | 29 yrs | Great-Britain | Lidl-Trek)

Tao is having a rough comeback, but he can't be completely finished at 29-30 years of age. Even some second row GC results should get him a lot more points than 137.

TORRES ARIAS Pablo (122 CQ | 19 yrs | Spain | UAE Team Emirates)

My only Spaniard. Don't know if he'll get to ride a lot for himself, but he should be another super talent and you know how those fair nowadays at the Emirates.

KÄMNA Lennard (108 CQ | 28 yrs | Germany | Lidl-Trek)

Back after bad luck. Won't have any less chances at Lidl than at Bora, change of air might do him good.

CARTHY Hugh (82 CQ | 30 yrs | Great-Britain | EF Education-EP)

Only 82 points after five seasons of + 400. Not improving this year would be really strange.

CAVAGNA Rémi (80 CQ | 29 yrs | France | Groupama-FDJ)

Movistar was an obvious mismatch. First time his employer is also French, I think he can only benefit from this change. I expect some marathon wins in France.

FAURE PROST Alexy (58 CQ | 20 yrs | France | Intermarché-Wanty)

His first year wasn't a big success, but he was a really good espoir. I think Alexy will show a bit more of this talent coming season, and Intermarché is still a good place to do so.

VADER Milan (52 CQ | 28 yrs | Netherlands | Q36.5)

Easy. Cheap choice, still rather 'new' in the road peloton, fresh air in a growing team.

KAMP Alexander (49 CQ | 31 yrs | Denmark | Intermarché-Wanty)

Such a weird rider. But hey, the freedom at Wanty could do him well. Top ten at the 2022 and 2023 Amstel Gold Race, that can't be gone completely?

SENECHAL Florian (37 CQ | 31 yrs | France | Arkea-B&B Hotels)

His first year at Arkea was one to forget, with a big injury during his peak period. Could only go better this season, even besides cobblestone races.

VAN BAARLE Dylan (35 CQ | 32 yrs | Netherlands |Visma-LaB)

Also a victim of Visma's bad luck streak. Obvious choice for this low price.

TULETT Ben (27 CQ | 23 yrs | Great-Britain |Visma-LaB)

Still only 23 years old. Don't really know what went wrong in 2024, but 2025 should be a lot better. Lots of managers think the same, so there goes.

VAN MECHELEN Vlad (26 CQ | 20 yrs | Belgium | Bahrain Victorious)

I'm one of the only 8 to pick him apparently. Top junior, good U23, ready for his first pro season. Bahrain announced to ride more minor races to give younger riders more chances, and I think this will give Vlad opportunities to score. He packs up a decent sprint.

KUYPERS Gerben (16 CQ | 24 yrs | Belgium | Intermarché-Wanty)

The first of two riders of whom I am the only one to chose them! For only 16 CQ, he feels 'for free'. Gerben is still only 24-25 and at times a strong CX-rider. He's now recovering from injury but will be fresh for the road season, where I expect him to step up at least a little. I think he is similar and even more talented than Lander Loockx, who obtained 232 points last season

GESBERT Elie (10 CQ | 29 yrs | France | Arkea-B&B Hotels)

Extremely cheap at only 10 CQ, Elie will score easily more at all those French races. He's also at contract year, and too young to let it all slip away already.

SEIXAS Paul (0 CQ |18 yrs | France | Decathlon-Ag2r)

Super talent for free. Obvious one, even at this age.

PHILIPSEN Albert Withen (0 CQ |18 yrs | Denmark | Lidl-Trek)

See previous rider.

DEJAEGHER Jasper (0 CQ | 23 yrs | Belgium | Sport Vlaanderen)

My second unique choice. And ladies and gentlemen, I promise that you guys really overlooked this one! His debut pro season was a disease fest, resulting in not a single decent placing. But in his last espoir year Jasper won the national U23 rankings, performing well in sprints and even on more demanding courses. I believe he will turn it all around in 2025, and his recent beach race perfomances against the likes of Tim Merlier, Timothy Dupont or Yves Lampaert support my expectations. Even if I'm wrong, at 0 CQ it's totally worth the risk. But I'll be so happy when he scores.

FINN Lorenzo (0 CQ | 18 yrs | Italy | RedBull-Bora Rookies)

The only Italian on my list, weirdly enough. And not even a pro yet! But see Seixas and Philipsen.



At first glance, the rider that I seem to have overlooked the most is Kron. Could be a nasty one, I kind of regret forgetting him at this very moment. Same goes for Dinham. Vermeersch is also really cheap, but I don't know if he will get that much chances to be honest. UAE has quite a few guys that will be ahead of him in the classics. But I grant him to prove me wrong. And then there is Nys, who is already quite expensive but indeed very interesting. I chose not to include him, but I'm a fan for sure so I will cheer anyway when he performs well. PS: cool to see some people picked my friend Rune Herregodts, I hope he'll score well for you guys.


Good luck and have fun, everyone!
 
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Okay before I call it a night here in North America, I'm itching to talk at least a little bit of game. And the most interesting internal decision I had in this game was whether to Vingegaard or not to Vingegaard. And then secondarily, if not Vinge, who?

I considered a ton of riders on the more expensive end (600+) as plausible choices: Vinge & Van Aert were the first that came to mind, but also Ayuso, Skjelmose (sort of), Kooij, Almeida, Del Toro, Gregoire, Laporte, Nys, Pithie, Lipowitz, Ganna, Healy, and S Yates. When I looked at potential range of 2025 scores, I had WvA at 2200-2800, and I had Vinge at pretty much the same, but 500 points more cost. So WvA was locked in, but I had to take a hard look at Vinge cuz none of the others were slam dunks.

I ended up with Gregoire and Almeida, let's make the cases and then come back to the opportunity cost.

Joao Almeida (988 points, 4 teams) - I had an irrational dislike of Joao Almeida right from 2020. I think it was one of those sports fan kind of things, where you just don't like someone but you don't know why. I think probably part of it was that I considered him but then didn't pick him for my CQ team and he ended up being one of the best picks, to be honest. But on the athletic level, he's won me over as my kind of rider. Grinds it out, never easy, but never can count him out. I think the tipping point was on the teammate level too at the Tour this year where he not only was professional, but enthusiastic, in backing his more talented teammate. Many athletes have trouble with that as you've gotta have an ego to get to the top, but he was impressive in his steadfastness.

But anyway, the CQ game. Almeida scores at every stage race he's in basically. His scores are 1114 as a neo, 1650, 940, 1405, and 988. The two scores under 1000 were years where he was 4th on the Giro on stage 18 when he abandoned with covid, and when he was 3rd in the Vuelta on stage 7 and dropping the next day before abandoning after realizing he had covid. So, in a 2-GT year I'd expect 14-1500 to be his baseline. Of course, you want to guard against disaster with expensive picks, so really even if he goes out of 1 GT it's 900ish baseline.

And then they've already posted the majority of his 2024 calendar. Valencia, Algarve, P-N, Itzulia, Romandie, Suisse, TdF, Vuelta. Okay it's a long season and things can change, but that's a lot of points scoring opportunity. He's arguably the best GC rider outside the Big 4, and every other year he's never done more than like 4 of those 1-week races, but this year he's down for 6. Health willing, he could get up to 1800 in my opinion. Sold!

Romain Gregoire (840 points, 3 teams) - his 2 pro seasons came in his age 20 (turned 20 in January so close enough) and age 21 seasons, and he had 784 and 840 points. No injuries or anything, so his progression looks modest. The bull case:

1) He's a threat for points at virtually every race he's in. His base is well covered, so even if he gets injured sometime he can basically Valverde results through the year to make up for it. Many, many single digit placings in his resume. With expensive riders, I always want to make sure the downside isn't catastrophic. He has the potential to be Jalabert 2.0.

2) His neo-pro year at (barely) age 20 was 784 points. The recent gold standard for turning pro young is Remco who got 900+ at 19, but hey he's beyond special. Ayuso at 19-20 got 1007, Cian got 574, Pogi got 1559 at 20-21. So, decent company, and more solid than the Brenners and Simmons' of the world.

3) What really convinced me was when I broke down his points. In 2023, he rode 63 days, which were 39 WT, 24 non-WT. He got 184 WT points, the rest non-WT (including wins in 2.PS Dunkerque and 2.1 Limousin. which accounted for 366 points). In 2024, he rode 68 days, which were 58 WT, 10 non-WT. Out of 840 total, 462 points were WT points, ie much fewer cheap points. He doesn't have another level of races to go up, so if he progresses he'll just get more points.

My upside case is based on the points for higher placings that come with general improvement. For example, if instead of finishing 12th, 7th, and 24th at the Ardennes classics, he finished 5th, 3rd and 10th, that'd gain him 143 points. Or turning 13th at Tirenno and 4th at Pologne into 6th and 2nd, >100 point gain too. Or if he translates his winning nature into getting on the top step? He could more than double his score. So there's a lot to be excited about, even if the range is like 900-2000 wide.

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The opportunity cost is Vingegaard. He's an interesting one to forecast. Basically he can dominate any stage race Pog isn't in at this point, so it's hard to imagine him getting less than the 1700 he got in 2024. But the 3100 he got in 2023? Well definitely if Pog crashes out and the Tour is for the taking it is possible. But if the Pog factor makes 2nd at the Tour the new expectation, take away the leader points etc and his 2023 tops out at 25-2700ish. Will he want to do a 2nd GT if it's the Vuelta and he's gonna get his butt kicked again? It's funny because his rise is a really cool story and he's obviously tough as nails as his comeback this year proved, but I get the feeling he wants to be selective (ie. avoid Pog) and is a bit fragile. Not sure how much I trust him, and 2600 expected return on 1700 is good. But not slam dunk.

An exercise I like is one I've seen a few people on here do (but especially thread-but-not-game-participant Netserk) where you break down a team difference to rider1 + rider2 vs rider3 + rider4. Almeida and Gregoire cost 62 points more than Vingegaard. Let's slot in a cheap popular rider I didn't pick in Bagioli (108). Will Vingegaard + Bagioli yield more expected points than my two? Well if I expect 2200-2800 from Vingegaard and 200-500 from Bagioli, median is 2850, high end 3300. Let's give Almeida 1000-1800 and Gregoire 900-1900, that'd be median 2800, high end 3700. So not much in it, but maybe more high end hope. I guess in the end the tiebreaker was to go with guys I was more excited about. This is a yearlong game and I wanna have fun.

Anyway, that's my thought exercise for today! Please weigh in with any of your 'I took these guys instead of these guys' musings, love that stuff.
 
Just a head’s up which you may already be aware of: there are 11 teams at 0 in the popularity ranking.
I haven't edited that tab yet so those are the teams that played last year but aren't playing this year; I'll clean that up this weekend. The update tab is also (ironically) not updated yet, it's just the 'ranking' tab that has the 2025 teams in it. So just trust the ranking, popularity, and team tabs (that have riders; there are empty ones for old teams that I'll be clearing out as well) for now.
 
That time of the year again. This post was written yesterday evening and I haven't looked at other posts since the time of the deadline before hitting Post reply.

I think that during my years playing this game, I've only ever had two riders at a cost of more than 1000 points (Ayuso in '24 and Roglic in '23) so it seems quite daunting that this time, I have no less than 3 riders above 998 points. Certainly a very different strategy than I'm used to, but I think my three top guys have a very big potential for doubling (or almost doubling) their scores which is what I usually look for given that 15,000 points is often enough to win the game when people don't have insane teams as shalgo did last year.

As usual, I will make a run-down of my entire team, if for nothing else then at least for my own benefit to generate some personal hype for the riders I've picked.

Jonas Vingegaard - 1760
I think every player has been considering whether or not to pick him this year. I ended up doing it because of several reasons.
1) Based on the level he did show last year (importantly, also post-crash), he should be able to go back to his points haul of '23, even if he loses both the Tour and the Vuelta to Pogi. With no Giro, he will hopefully ride and win three or four stage races before the Tour, and he will hopefully also give it a go at the WCRR where he might be able to podium if he can unleash himself also in a one-day race.
2) Even if it seems, if not far-fetched, then at least quite unlikely for him to double his tally, at such a high cost, that should not be necessary because at the other end of my team, there will be lots of cheap riders who I think can do much more than double, and he seems like at least 3,000 points I can pretty much bank on.
3) Well, I have to learn to like him at some point, don't I? So in addition to giving a good interview to Danish Radio a few weeks ago, him spearheading my team to victory in this game might seal the deal.

Wout Van Aert - 1259
I almost threw him off the team in disgust of his decision to not do MSR and Strade. I think it sucks so hard, but at least he will do more racing than I had initially feared (also including Amstel) so I figured he would still be able to pick up at least 2500 points if he can manage to not crash because I am still not convinced that he has lost his highest level. It is annoying that he will have to lead-out Olav Kooij on flat stages in the Giro but in the end, that will not be a make-or-break factor, and together with Jonas, he will bring Visma back to the success they were so lacking last year. It's also only fair if he finally wins a monument.

Lennert Van Eetvelt - 999
When he got sick and had to abandon the Vuelta, I made up my mind to pick him for this edition of the game given that in spite of missing three months in the spring, he still managed to score an incredible amount of points and even look capable of fighting for the top placings in a Grand Tour. Then he went on to make his comeback and win the Tour of Guangxi which made me much less certain whether I should pick him due to the very expensive price tag but I ended up deciding that it would probably make him less popular and thus potentially more decisive in the fight for the honours of this game. If he can show the same consistency and top level as last year, I think he can get very far, even if his Grand Tour fatigue resistance has yet to be put to the test. Can he get 2000 points? Well, if he could get half of that in such a compromised season, who am I to say no?

Laurence Pithie - 689
This seems like a much more straight-forward pick than Van Eetvelt. Of course, he's still quite expensive, but considering how many points he lost due to being dropped from top 3 positions in major classics and the second half of the season being a complete wash, I think he has huge margin for improvement points-wise. Combine that with a move from Groupama (who admittedly are a great classics team) to Red Bull, and that should perhaps be even huger - if you also believe that Red Bull will improve this year compared to last year which with the new sponsorship situation one could be forgiven to expect.

Filippo Ganna - 644
No more focus on the track for Pippo who can podium two monuments based on his '23 spring and get a lot of points all around the calendar. With the climbing and sprinting level he has occasionally showcased, I think 644 is a very low price for him. It is of some concern that this price was earned in a season with actually very many race days (for modern standards), but apart from MSR he skipped all the classics which explains that somehow, I think. One problem is that the WCITT does not suit him well in '25, so he is not likely to go top 2 there, but I still think and hope that he will have an all-round much more fruitful season than in '24.

Ethan Hayter - 263
That was 5 riders taking up 71.3% of my budget... Next up is Ethan Hayter who can only improve on the absolute embarrassment of '24. Having him on the team is not fun because he is extremely frustrating when he rides at the back of the bunch like his former DS Stephen Cummings always did and decides not to do sprints for unknown reasons. But he has such a high level that he can only improve, and going to Soudal is usually not a bad career move after things stalled completely at INEOS. He will hopefully also not have any track obligations in this post-Olympic season so a full focus on the road can only mean that he will enhance his score by a massive amount.

Victor Lafay - 182
Next up should have been Fabio Jakobsen but after the fiasco of '24 I simply didn't want him again even though it sounds like he is preparing better than last year for the season. Instead, it will be Lafay, who didn't make his season debut until July last year, and never really hit a decent level until he was suddenly alright in Guangxi. However, still at a cost of 182, he must be able to triple his score or more given what we saw at the opening weekend of the '23 Tour. Rumours have it that he is the least professional rider in the peloton but in the end that didn't deter me from picking him. He might even have a shot at getting in yellow during the first week of the Tour.

Cian Uijtdebroeks - 176
My third of no fewer than eight Visma riders, he is another of their riders who disappointed spectacularly in '24. That really was a season to forget and I don't see the light in him that many other people do (or at least have done) but given that I was surprised by his popularity in the '23 game at a price that was 50% higher than his current one, I find it to dangerous to not include him this time around.

Johannes Staune-Mittet - 150
Another '24 Visma fiasco. Now he has moved on to Decathlon, and if the rumours about his purported potential had any credence, there should be a lot of upside for him this time. A status as Giro captain seems like quite a mouthful. Let's see how that goes. It was worrying that Visma couldn't fulfill his potential at all.

Matthew Brennan - 146
Well, when all my points have been spent on very expensive riders, I must look to neo-pros to cover the cheaper end of the spectrum. I have 11 of those (actually 10 plus two who each count for a half) of which the most expensive one is Brennan. He is very young but supposedly very good and it helps that he has a turn of speed and doesn't have to gain all his points due to having higher watts per kilo than most other riders.

Tao Geoghegan Hart - 137
The first in a trio of questionable Lidl-Trek riders. A former Giro-winner, who looked like he had refound that level in '23 before his career was jeopardised with the Giro crash. There was certainly not much success to write home about in '24 which explains his price tag and he is probably more likely to be a bust than a bang. But it's not necessary for all the cheap riders to be bangs and in the unlikely event that he can approach his '23 level (he was still 9th in Romandie last year), he could be really nice to have.

Pablo Torres - 122
Well, he's not yet famous enough to be able to find through the inscrutable PCS search engine, but he did do really well in a lot of the biggest U23 races as a first-year last year. And it's not like UAE have a bad reputation for messing young riders up in their first season. If he can have a season like Morgado, Christen or Del Toro last year, he should be good, and so should I. It sounds like there are really high hopes surrounding him.

Niklas Behrens - 115
Like Brennan, he is in the intersection of my two most popular subsections; Visma riders and neo-pros. I don't watch a lot of U23 racing which is a disadvantage when constructing this team, but I did watch the U23 WCRR, and let's just say that he impressed me there. A lot. I think he can already be somewhat of a factor in the cobbled classics this year.

Lennard Kämna - 108
The second in my afore-mentioned questionable Lidl-Trek trio. It's tough to say what he can do after his horrific accident. But if he can regain his level, he should be a decent pick.

Andrea Bagioli - 106
The final tine in the trident of Lidl-Trek riders. Frankly, his '24 season was an embarrassment considering he came from 2nd at a monument just the year before. He really should be able to score above 700 points, at least, but maybe he rivals Lafay for the title of must unprofessional rider? Who can tell what this guy's problem is.

Tibor del Grosso - 95
A world champion in the field, he wants to go in his teammate Mathieu van der Poel's footsteps. Those are big steps to fill, but he has a huge talent and Alpecin should ride a calendar which would enable him to get a lot of chances on a team with few profiles and many anonymous helpers.

Giacomo Nizzolo - 91
Cheap enough to be picked. He was injured a lot last year and wants to punch back. I don't know if he can but in a decent season, he should be able to scrape some points even if he is well past his prime.

Huub Artz - 90
Another neo-pro who has already proven himself a bit among the pros. Like Del Grosso, he should get a good calendar at Intermarché, and apparently you just need to have been mentioned on a top 10 list of young riders to watch to get on my team this year...

Andreas Kron - 68
I assume he would be one of the most popular picks of the game. He certainly should be with 700 points in '23. A realm I think he should be able to approach again. Don't forget he was top 15 on the Pico Villuercas stage in the Vuelta before another setback in the shape of a crash in a season where his entire spring campaign was also destroyed by accidents.

Florian Vermeersch - 51
Another no-brainer for me. Very cheap. Extremely strong in '23 before an injury-filled '24 season. Plus a move from Lotto to UAE can hardly be poor for your career. He may of course have to do some donkey work in some races but he will also get his own chances, and it's not like the UAE riders are required to abandon the races as soon as Pogi has flown away.

Artem Shmidt - 50
One of the half-neo pros I alluded to earlier. I had to include a lot of very cheap riders, and he might not be the best one. Alexander Kamp was at the same price (49) and might also have been a decent pick but it's one thing for me to have to root a bit for Vingegaard - another entirely to get behind Kamp, so he was scrapped. Also probably over the hill and unreliable.

Thomas Gloag - 46
The man who went without cycling for more than a year and won almost immediately on the point of his return. Then soon after he was sidelined again and was told to take a holiday. I would expect him to be on most teams.

Florian Sénéchal - 37
Apparently, he struggled with a depression last year. If that was caused by or the cause of his bad results is for me not entirely certain but I guess a bad spiral was going on there. He didn't have a single good performance the entire season but at least it sounds like he is raring to rectify that in '25. It can hardly go worse and if he finds his old level, he should be unleashed on at least some Coupe de France races because it will be important for Arkéa to pick up a lot of points next year. Unless of course they can't resolve the sponsorship situation and will have to fold by the end of the year.

Dylan van Baarle - 35
He doesn't need to win Roubaix to be a good pick here. Visma are of course stacked and he won't be top dog in the cobbled classics even if he won one three years in a row from '21 to '23 but at 35 points, he doesn't have to do much to improve significantly. Except not crash a million times which is apparently a hard enough ask.

Ben Tulett - 27
My eighth and final Visma rider also had a terrible time last year with crashes. He might be squeezed a bit with so many stars in the team but if he can find his INEOS level, there should be enough opportunity to give a good return.

Vlad Van Mechelen - 26
Bahrain have signed three sprinty neo pros who are very cheap, and I went for the cheapest two. I also saw Van Mechelen on a ten neopros to watch list and simply just had to have a few very cheap riders. Mix it up in a couple of sprints, and he's alright. Plus, Vlad is quite a cool if not very Belgian-sounding name.

Zak Erzen - 20
If being the son of the team boss doesn't scream CQ points galore guarantee, I don't know what does. Nah, he is supposedly not just a token Ahmed Madan type rider, and should have some potential, and at 20 points, it was hardly the biggest gamble.

Loïc Vliegen - 0
Can't do worse than last year. I read he wanted to bounce back. I know that one thing is to want, another is to do, but I was out of cash. Probably not a '24 Capiot level pick, but there is a sliver of potential.

Matthew Dinham - 0
7th at the WCRR in '23 in Glasgow, and then he didn't finish a race in '24 due to injury. At some point, I thought there must be some sort of dispute with the team, as it was DSM, but apparently not, and he extended for three years. It is a bit worrying that I don't see him on the start list of the national championships on Sunday, especially because his Instagram shows that he at least was in Australia five months ago...

Theodor Storm - 0
Probably takes the cake for worst neopro season of all time with a '24 season where he was hit by the Guillain Barré syndrome which is a condition described online as your immune system attacking your peripheral nerves. It sounds utterly awful and at some point, he was allegedly in a life-threatening condition. Fortunately, it seems like he will be able to make a full recovery. He is the second of the half-neopros I mentioned earlier, even though he can hardly be described as such given that he has been demoted to the Lotto-Kern Haus (INEOS feeder team) along with his compatriot Peter Øxenberg. Maybe that's good as it seems like there is a curse involving Danish riders and INEOS - a Dane has still never ridden a race in INEOS colours after 15 seasons of the team's existence. Incredible.

Albert Philipsen - 0
Do we call him Philipsen, Withen or Withen Philipsen? The jury is still out on that, so I will stick to Philipsen to maximise potential confusion with Jasper. One thing is certain, and that was that he had a sure place on my team. One of only two direct-from-junior neopros on the WorldTour, he is a huge, huge prospect and way too exciting to not pick.

Paul Seixas - 0
Much of the same as with Philipsen can be said for Seixas who is destined to have the weight of the expectation of a nation on his shoulder for the duration of his career (or at least until such time as he has won the Tour). So that has to be fun for him. He also seemed like a must-have.

Lorenzo Finn - 0
The final of three first-year seniors and the reigning junior WCRR champion. Also supposed to be a magnificent talent, and even though he decided not to go directly to the WorldTour, he should still be able to ride himself to some points and become a valuable pick in the Red Bull colours.

That's it. Now I just have to hope that Merijn Zeeman's leaving the sport will not have as dramatic an effect on Visma as some people might suggest. In that case, I would be quite screwed. But hey, at least I didn't pick Christophe Laporte as I was also considering for a while. Or Sepp Kuss who I never considered at all.
 
A breakdown of my team, with my own thoughts on every pick.

Joao Almeida, 988 points, picked by 4 teams
Despite the memes and stick he receives from some, I would say he is one of the best stage-racers around riding for one of the top teams. Finished 2nd in Tour de Suisse and 4th in the TdF last year. He has seasons of scoring 1114, 1650 and 1405 points. Last year he didn't do much outside of the results mentioned, other than showcase his great ability when it mattered the most. It should be a decent chance he can score a nice profit with more consistency, which he has showcased before. He is a solid first pick in my world.

Simon Yates, 620 points, picked by 15 teams
It should be a good opportunity for him to come to one of the best teams in the peloton. No surprise if Simon has one of the best seasons in his career riding for Visma. He should have own opportunities in a few stage-races, while probably riding as a super-dom in the GTs first and foremost… which could still lead to a good result for himself as well. He is a potential high-scorer, in one of the best teams, that could be costly to miss out on.

Santiago Buitrago, 619 points, picked by 2 teams
He did well last season but was also unlucky. He could have scored more if not for crashing at the worst possible moments. Great climber, who goes well in both stage-races and one-day races. I think he is very good. He could have a big year soon.

The rider I was talking about earlier in the thread for those who were wondering.

Giulio Ciccone, 555 points, picked by 9 teams
Missed the spring last season. His first race was in the Tour de Romandie, where he finished 35th. After that he had very good performances in both the Dauphine and the TdF. I was impressed with his climbing. DNF Vuelta. Great performance to finish 3rd in Il Lombardia. In a full season he could score more points.

Jai Hindley, 553 points, picked by 16 teams
Started last season well with 5th overall in Valenciana and 3rd overall in T-A, but then struggled to make much of an impact. Don't think he was bad, but just struggled to make an impact. Okayish results, without scoring big. He is a very good climber on his day. Getting crowded in the team but Hindley may be getting a bit overlooked because of new and shinier things.

Thymen Arensman, 537 points, picked by 5 teams
He has been around for a few years now, but “only” turned 25 in December. He is a solid stage-racer, who can TT very well. In the last three GTs that he has finished… he has been 5th, 6th and 6th. Last season in the Giro he started slow/wasn't feeling well but got over it and rode himself up in the standings to finish 6th in the end. DNF Vuelta. 15th in Lombardia. He also finished 5th in Algarve and 6th in T-A in the beginning of last season. I think he might be a bit overlooked and perhaps even a bit underrated now. I see value and what his potential could be.

Jay Vine, 464 points, picked by 11 teams
Unlucky with crashes last season. He is a rider who can climb and TT very well. One good stage-race for him and he could be close to his tally from last year. He also rides for one of the best teams, with a great set-up, and that's always an advantage. I think his ceiling could be high, but the challenge is consistency and avoiding crashes.

Felix Gall, 459 points, picked by 22 teams
He is a very good climber and is a leader on his team. Last season he couldn't quite follow up on the year he had in 2023. It should be a decent chance he can bounce back and score a decent amount of points.

Lucas Plapp, 423 points, picked by 20 teams
Started last season with winning the national title in both the ITT and the RR, but then crashed out on stage 3 of the Tour Down Under. Then he was in the lead at one point in Paris-Nice, where he finished 6th overall. DNF Tour de Romandie. Did well on a few stages in the Giro but finished far down in the GC (the plan was for him to ride for Dunbar, who abandoned early). Plapp then crashed in the Olympics ITT and suffered a bad injury, which ruled him out for pretty much the rest of the season. DNF Tour of Guangxi and won the Tour of Bright in Australia. I have picked him a couple of times now and he has potential to score a decent amount, if he can be consistent. He just turned 24 at the end of last year, on Christmas Day, and it is a bit too early to give up on him.

Matthew Riccitello, 333 points, picked by 17 teams
He is a very good climber and finished 5th in the Tour de Suisse, which was a great result for him. Started the Vuelta good but had an unfortunate crash early on, when he was sitting 12th in the GC. Dropped to 46th after that, but he climbed back to finish 30th in the end. I like the potential here and one to keep an eye on more this season.

Ethan Hayter, 263 points, picked by 58 teams
He could be a shrewd signing by Soudal. Very interesting move and there could be great upside here.

Jørgen Nordhagen, 165 points, picked by 52 teams
He is a great talent, who could be good right away.

Matthew Brennan, 146 points, picked by 33 teams
Another youngster who could hit the ground running. Sprinter this one. Seems and sounds like he could have a good future.

Tao Geoghegan Hart, 137 points, picked by 71 teams
It was probably gonna be a difficult season for him after his injury that he suffered. Decent chance he could bounce back this year. Cheap price for a GT-winner ;)

Mathys Rondel, 131 points, picked by 9 teams
He had decent results in both Coppi e Bartali and Tour of the Alps, then won the Orlen Nations Grand Prix. Finished 4th in Baby-Giro. Not much after that in the second half of the season. Maybe a good thing for myself as many more may have had him on their radar if he had done better in the remaining races. Hopefully Tudor sends him to races where he has a good chance to score points. We will see how it goes with him this season.

Steffen De Schuyteneer, 125 points, picked by 20 teams
They regard him as a major talent and that is something to take note of coming from the team, who has delivered many very good riders from their ranks in recent times.

Pablo Torres, 122 points, picked by 70 teams
Noticed him first in Il Giro d'Abruzzo, where he was very good. I think it was the Prato di Tivo stage where he set a great pace and worked hard for the team before being done. Very good performances later in most of the harder and bigger stage-races in the U23s. Seems like a big talent and great climber. Interesting to see how he develops.

Niklas Behrens, 115 points, picked by 46 teams
The most recent U23 champion. He seems like a strong guy and his background coming from swimming/triathlon is interesting. Visma should be a good fit as they seem to like these sort of riders, with different backgrounds.

Lennard Kämna, 108 points, picked by 63 teams
He got hit by a car in training, smh. Luckily he survived and was able to recover. Has had ups and downs during his career but is a very good rider, when he is in good shape. Wishing him the best to bounce back this year.

Andrea Bagioli, 106 points, picked by 56 teams
Talking about ups and downs… here is another rider who has so far been very inconsistent and has been unlucky with crashes/injuries/health during his time as a pro. He had a great end to his season in 2023 but couldn't deliver in his first season with Lidl-Trek. Should have a good chance to redeem himself and could score many points this year, hopefully.

Andreas Kron, 68 points, picked by 70 teams
Did not have the best year. Now moved to Uno-X. Hopefully he has a good chance to bounce back.

Léo Bisiaux, 63 points, picked by 37 teams
He could potentially be a great talent. Very good results last season in some of the toughest stage-races in the U23s. Interesting to see how he goes this season.

Gianluca Pollefliet, 58 points, picked by 3 teams
I picked him last year already but he was unfortunate and missed many months of the season. Came back and made some decent results in Tour Poitou on three stages. Finished 9th in GP de Fourmies / La Voix du Nord and 11th in Grand Prix d'Isbergues - Pas de Calais. He could be a rider for a lot of these sort of one-day races and semi-classics.

I had originally put down Ferron as my pick here but due to making a mistake and having Riccitello at 330, and not 333, I was one point over the budget which skidmark alerted me about. Hence, Pollefliet gets a chance to redeem himself this season.

Julius Johansen, 53 points, picked by 4 teams
He could be a smart pick up by UAE and could improve from moving to one of the best teams in the peloton. Maybe he could get a couple of opportunities here and there in some smaller races as well.

Milan Vader, 52 points, picked by 26 teams
Stepping down a level to race with Q36.5 might not be a bad thing for him. He can do well in races with weaker fields. “Just” needs to stay on his bike.

Florian Vermeersch, 51 points, picked by 74 teams
A rider who missed a lot of time due to a crash in Murcia. Missed the whole spring and only made it back to race Tour de Wallonie in July, as the next race after that. Interesting move to the UAE team for him. Feels like an obvious pick this season.

Thomas Gloag, 46 points, picked by 62 teams
Bad luck with crashes, which made him miss the start and the first half of the season. Won a stage in the Czech Tour, when he was finally back, and finished 13th overall there. 20th overall in the Deutschland Tour. After that he had another crash that happened in training, which ended his season. Decent chance he can score more points in a full season.

Diego Pescador, 41 points, picked by 16 teams
Young and talented Colombian climber, who signed with Movistar. Y'all might have heard that one before, right? Question is how fast he can adapt, but at this price it might be worth finding out.

Florian Sénéchal, 37 points, picked by 40 teams
He had a very tough last year being back on a French team (Arkea). Broke his collarbone in the spring and then landed on it again a few weeks later. His grandfather passed away, which affected him a lot on a personal level. By his own words he hit rock bottom, with other stuff affecting him as well. Finishing 10th in Antwerp Port Epic / Sels Trophy was his best result. He is a rider who can score points in a bunch of these types of races on the French and Belgian calendar. He had to reset and will be motivated to bounce back. I will be rooting for him after reading about his recent hardships.

Dylan Van Baarle, 35 points, picked by 75 teams
Really unfortunate with crashes last season. Not often a rider of his caliber becomes available at such a cheap price. Just hope it has not set him down too much and he can bounce back. A rider for the cobbles and classics if nothing else, who can score big if he has a great day.

Ben Tulett, 27 points, picked by 56 teams
Unlucky year with health issues and crashes. Dirt cheap and should have a decent chance to bounce back, if healthy.

Paul Seixas, 0 points, picked by 66 teams
A great talent. Very hard to predict what he can score already, but potentially costly to miss out so gets picked.

Albert Withen Philipsen, 0 points, picked by 70 teams
Highly regarded super-talent. Just pick him I guess.


So there it is. Looking forward to see and hear about people thoughts on riders etc. :)
 
Same approach as last year.

Skjelmose - 1230:
My most expensive pick. I'm gonna need him to refrain from doing silly things like cosplaying an icicle, or injuring his back getting up from the breakfast table.

Cort - 882:
Tends to be good for some points. Also, he's got an awesome moustache!

Bjerg - 465:
Hopefully he'll be able to ride for some personal results in the ITTs, without being slowed down too much from having a beautiful wife.

Foldager - 463:
Got his first pro win last year, beating Alaphilippe at his own game.

Lund - 424:
Showed last year that he is quite quick - sometimes even quicker than his captain - and can get over the hills better than said captain. Just needs to not... well... celebrate a third place.

Asgreen - 380:
Seems to always score more points in odd years. Let's see if a change of environment will do wonders for him.

Wandahl - 299:
Hopefully this year he'll finally get the GT debut he was supposed to have gotten back in 2023 before breaking his femur.

Valgren - 268:
The oldest of my picks, but hopefully still able to make a decent haul after having fully recovered from his devastating 2022 crash.

Søjberg - 258:
The rather surprising Danish Elite Road Race Champion. Now a WT rider and ready to play with the big boys.

Honoré - 244:
Technically my only good pick last year, as he was the only one I shared with shalgo.

Kragh - 205:
Like Asgren, he might benefit from a change in environment.

Charmig - 188:
Will be interesting to see if the increased funding at Astana will equal more points for their riders.

Dalby - 125:
One of the two young Danes moving up to the Main team from the (now folded) Devo team.

Pedersen - 87:
While it seems he'll mostly be tasked with helping Evenepoel, he might be able to score a few points himself.

Norsgaard - 85:
It's just nice to cheer for a rider you'll be able to easily spot in the peloton.

Blume - 83:
One of my young Uno-X guys.

Salby - 83:
Is Alexander Salby a Danish Jakub Mareczko? Well, I certainly hope so!

Kron - 68:
Another guy for whom a change of environment might hopefully result in an increase in points.

Stokbro - 67:
One of my Rockets. Just hoping he'll turn the last two year's decline around.

Breiner - 65:
The other Dane moving up from the Uno-X devo team.

Nielsen - 64:
My other Rocket. Unlike his teammate and compatriot he's been steadily improving the last two years, a trend I hope he'll continue.

Price-Pejtersen - 64:
I got him for a decent price. I'm gonna need him to refrain from doing silly stuff like riding on the bikelane during an ITT.

Gregaard - 54:
Yet another guy mostly tasked with helping another, but who might score a few points for himself along the way.

Johansen - 53:
Proof that you can, in fact, escape Portugal.

Wallin - 50:
A slightly-less-young Uno-X guy.

Kamp - 49:
Will be interesting to see what he can achieve at Intermarché.

Øxenberg - 47:
He exists, so I might as well pick him.

Bévort - 37:
Another young Uno-X guy.

Køster - 18:
Having the defending Danish U23 RR Champion, recently signed to the Ag2r Devo team worked quite well for me last year. Though, he's unlikely to do a Søjberg and exchange the U23 title for an Elite title.

Changizi - 10:
I'm just hoping he'll be able to ride his own chances a bit.

Hellemose - 0:
Returning to the WorldTour after a stint on the gravel.

Storm - 0:
Did not exactly have a storming WT debut, in fact, so un-storming that he's no longer a WT rider, but should have fully recovered from Guillain-Barré syndrom.

Withen - 0:
The young Danish prospect. How could I not pick him?

Did I make a mistake not picking Vingegaard? Probably... I just didn't want to tie too much of my budget up in one rider.

Hey, @Shakes. What's the ranking based on on the website, since we're all on zero points?
 
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There has been a lot of talk about "boring" picks this year. I was one of those who felt that way, and honestly I still do - to some extend at least. This year's edition seems like one where you can put together a great time in an hour scrolling through CQ ranking, finding the obvious picks like Uijtdebroeks, Van Baarle, Vermeersch, Hart, Kron, Hayter etc. very easily. Even the big talents are very obvious: Torres, Seixas, Nordhagen, Philipsen etc. However, what really was the "issue" was the Vingegaard and Van Aert were so obvious. Usually when you point of the great "comeback'ers", they have scored much less, so you would still need to make some big decision on how to spend your budget. Now in this edition that's not the case. Combine those categories and you have a very strong team ready to go in very little time and by doing very little research. This isn't to ruin the fun - it's reveal day, baby! - but just to introduce how I came up with my team. In the end I went with an approach that I think is very competitive - but I also wanted to add a few slighly - presumably - less popular riders.

My first draft was exactly this very easy to make team with all of the obvious choices. I couldn't believe how little team I had to spend making it, and it made me a bit unenthusiastic because I thought everyone else would come to the same conclusions that I did in very little time. Therefore I decided to go in a completely different direction and make a team only consisting of exciting prospects. I was very thrilled about that time, but understood that it was suboptimal and probably wouldn't stand much of a chance. However, reading the pre-reveal peaks I for some reason got the feeling that perhaps not too many had indeed picked the Vingegaard and Van Aert combination after all, so I decided to revisit my first team, make a few chances and go with that. Now it turns out I wasn't completely wrong; only 33 - roughly a third - has picked Vingegaard, which, as a Vingegaard believer, I'm very happy about. Simply put, I think the Vingegaard and Van Aert combination is far and away the best thing you can do in this year's edition.
In the end I did want a few picks that I figured wouldn't be too popular so that also meant that I had to cut some of the most obvious ones. I'll comment on those as well.

One more thing I noticed in this year's edition was the complete lack of good riders in the 200-400 points range. Because of this I strongly considered going with Almeida alongside Vingegaard and Van Aert, and actually I think that would have been the best thing to do. However, there were a few riders I really like and that I wanted on my team (my three most expensive riders besides Vingegaard and Van Aert), so I went for that solution instead.

Let's break down my team.

VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas: 1760
VAN AERT Wout: 1259

With the, in my opinion, lack of good middle-priced riders this year, I think that the best strategy is to put a lot of your budget into high priced riders, and I think this is the best constellation of expensive riders this year, as I've already mentioned. I don't think there's too much to add here.

PENHOËT Paul: 415

Penhoët was one of the latter additions to my team and deserves an elaborate comment, I think. Of course he's a bit expensive, but he has all the qualities needed to rank up a lot of points on the French circuit, and he has also shown that he has the speed to compete with - if not the fastest - then the second tier sprinters. He was also out for a large part of the season this year, so there's definitely room for improvement. Obviously at his price, he's one of my big gambles this year, so let's see if it pays off. By my estimation he would need to score around 700 points to be worth it. I'm a bit surprised to see him picked by 14 other managers, as I thought he would be less populoar.

MORGADO Antonio Tomas: 411
MAGNIER Paul: 405
HAGENES Per Strand: 375

Next up are three very well-known big talents in the same price bracket. Everyone knows that Morgado is a huge talent, and he did show that in glimpses last season. His 5th place in Flanders was both surprising and intriguing and bodes for a potential big breakthrough this year.
Magnier is another huge talent. He reminds me a bit of De Lie, and I have very big expectations for him this year. He should get plenty of opportunities and he has shown that he's already ready to mix it up with the big boys on the big scene.
I was a bit torn on Hagenes, but his talent is undeniable. The main question is where he stands in the Visma hierarchy, but he did get some freedom already in 2024, so even if he's primarily a domestique in the big races, he should get some leadership opportunities in various other races throughout the season - and a breakthrough in the spring classics can't be ruled out either.
As for Penhoët, these guys have to score somewhere between 650 and 700 for them to be considered good picks. Alongside Penhoët they're definitely the most important riders on my team and will likely decide my fate on this year's edition.

NERURKAR Lukas: 328

Next to Penhoët, this is my biggest gamble this year. I really liked his progression in 2024. With their rather flat hierarchy and aggressive riding, EF should give him plenty of opportunities to ride his own chance this season. He has a - for me at least - surprisingly good kick, which bodes well from a points scoring perspective. Of course I'm not too happy about the rather easy points he scored in Japan towards the end of the season, as those points likely will be harder to come by this year, but on the other hand, he might do some similar races this season. He should score around 600 points for me to consider him a good pick, which might be hard, but I'm eager to follow him this season - also because he's only picked by 4 other teams.

TEUTENBERG Tim Torn: 253

Teutenberg was one of the first riders on my team. He was very, very good at the start of the season, and even if he didn't produce any major results later in the season, he did have some solid performances towards the end of the season. Obviously he won't become Trek's main sprinter, but that's probably a good thing as he can score in the smaller races instead. I'm very curious to follow his progress this season.

HAYTER Ethan: 263

My first slighly "boring" pick if you don't count Vingegaard and Van Aert in that category. For a long time I didn't have Hayter in my team, because there's just no explanation for him doing so poorly - and no sign of him returning to his 2021/2022 level. Except, perhaps there is. He did break his collarbone twice in 2023, and in 2024 he was focusing on the track - at least that's somewhat of an explanation. Now, can the change of teams do him any good? If QuickStep can teach him how to position himself in the peloton, us "Hayters" might be in for a good season - and if anyone can teach him that, it's QuickStep. He certainly has all the tools to be able to score very well.

LAFAY Victor: 182
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian: 176

Two "bounce back'ers" that feature quite a few teams. Lafay was a late addition to my team. Initially I ruled him out because in his six seasons as a pro he has only had one season that would make him a good pick if he replicated that this year. That season, however, was last season, and he came back very strong after his injury this year. His move to Decathlon can't be a bad thing either. He's very inconsistent but he should be able to score 450 which is when I would consider him a fine pick.
I don't want to write too much about Uijtdebroeks. We all know he's a huge talent, and if he's healthy again he should easily score 450 points needed.

NORDHAGEN Jørgen: 165
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes: 150

Two young Norwegian GC-hopes next. Nordhagen is a huge talent, but will he get enough opportunities to produce points? I honestly don't expect him to go bananas and turn out to be a must-pick, but I suspect that he'll get some opportunities in smaller races, so let's see how it turns out.
Staune-Mittet isn't as big of a talent as Nordhagen, but I predict that he'll score more than his fellow Norwegian anyway. He should get plenty of leadership opportunities at Decathlon and should quite easily turn out to be a decent pick. I'm looking for 400-450 points for each.

BRENNAN Matthew: 146

Brennan was one of - if not the - latest addition to my team. At his price, I should expect 400 points in return, which might actually be tough to achieve, but I think he has a great potential - I'm just not too sure if it'll materialize already next season. Seeing that he's picked 33 times in total is quite surprising to me - but a good thing as I had some doubts about him.

GEOGHEGAN HART Tao: 137

Honestly, I'm not too thrilled about this pick. Hart has a huge potential - his level in 2023 was insanely high - but I'm worried that he'll never reach this level again. Obviously, at his price, less will do as well. He did have a decent level in Romandie in 2024, but it concerns me that he never performed on this level again for the remainder of 2024. However, he might have needed a season to get back to a decent level of fitness, and as the potential is there, 400 points, as I would be looking for, isn't impossible at all.

DE SCHUYTENEER Steffen: 125
TORRES ARIAS Pablo: 122
BEHRENS Niklas: 115

Now on to three more talents. I really like my De Schuyteneer pick. He seems like a pretty big prospect, and he delivered some fine results in 2024. Lotto is generally quite good at giving their riders a good schedule and opportunities to perform, so I'm curious to see what he can make of 2025. I didn't think he would get picked by 19 other teams, so I'm a bit disappointed by that, as I hoped that I had discovered a diamond in the making here.
Is Torres the next Del Toro? Possibly, but I'll settle for less as well. He's a big talent, as most should know, and as he's picked by a lot of teams, I won't write more about him.
Behrens is also picked by a lot of managers. 46 to be precise. His performance at U23 Worlds was, well, out of this world. I never would have imagined a rider his size perform so well - let alone win - on such a hard course, but he did and hats off! That shows massive potential and I suspect that he'll get some opportunities for himself already this season, although he could be buried in the team hierarchy in his first pro year. I would be satisfied with around 350 points for each of these guys.

BAGIOLI Andrea: 106

Should I, should I not? Well, apparently I should. I've been a fan - and a believer - of Bagioli for a long time now, but it's a tough task, as he keeps on disappointing just when you thought he finally found some consistency. His top level is insanely high, but at best he finds that twice a year. Please Bagioli. Please be this year that you finally puts it all together.

DEL GROSSO Tibor: 95
VERSTRYNGE Emiel: 44

Two young cx'ers up next, and both big talents whom I expect a lot from in the future. Now, I haven't read anything about their plans for 2025, and they might not focus too much on road cycling, but I still think - with their skills - they'll be able to score well. Del Grosso is on paper the bigger talent and has been touted as such, but Verstrynge seems to have taken a big step forward this cx season, so hopefully he'll be able to translate that into good performances on the road as well. I'm very surprised that only one other manager has picked him. Did I miss something here?

CAVAGNA Rémi: 90
VAN BAARLE Dylan: 35

Not the most inspiring of picks, and honestly, despite their popularity, I don't actually think they are must-picks. Looking at Van Baarle's last three seasons, his score has been inflated by a few major results (320 out of 423 points from two last last year, 450 out of 696 points from two races the year before, and 420 out of 753 points from two races three years ago). I don't expect him to replicate those kind of big results, so my expectations are in the 200-300 points range - and if he does deliver that, he should be a fine pick. Cavagna also just had his worst season by far, but he still scored more than Van Baarle and his ceiling is lower. He has actually very consistently scored roughly 300 points for many seasons, and his 2023 season is a bit of an outlier, which I don't expect him to replicate. 300 points isn't unreasonable to aim for, and if that's the case, he's a decent pick - but a game breaking one I don't think he'll turn out to be.

GRAAT Tijmen: 75
GLOAG Thomas: 46

Now on to two young Visma climbers. Graat I think has gone a bit under the radar, as I haven't heard much talk about him despite him delivering some promising results, and he's picked by just 8 other managers. He seems like a pure climber, which isn't necessarily the best prospect for scoring a bunch of points, and Visma does have quite a few young climbers, so his potential for this year might be limited, but I'm willing to take a chance on him, even if he should return 250-300 points for him to be a decent pick.
Is Gloag the unluckiest rider in the peloton? The competition for that title is fierce, but he has a good claim at it. He made a very strong comeback to the peloton after his severe injuries, and that bodes well for this season. I'm very curious to see how he performs, and I think he could take a big step forward.

KRON Andreas Lorentz: 68
VERMEERSCH Florian: 51

Two now former Lotto riders are up next. Both with horrendous seasons. Kron had a few issues during the season - but he also underperformed when he was healthy - while Vermeersch had most of his season ruined. As both are among the most popular picks, I won't add more here.

BISIAUX Léo: 63
SKERL Daniel: 46

Two young talents next. Bisiaux is a climber who had some pretty promising results last season, and he also does some cx, which can't be a bad thing. I'm very surprised to see him appear on 37 teams, as I again thought I had found someone a little less opular. Skerl is a sprinter also with some decent performances. Just picked by 5 other teams which doesn't make my questions marks regarding him smaller. I'm not too sure what to expect here, and what their role in their teams will be. Can I get 400-450 points in return in total? Is that even enough for the cost of 110 points? I don't know, but let's see.

SEIXAS Paul: 0
PHILIPSEN Albert Withen: 0

As I expected, these two monster talents feature on a lot of teams, so I won't say much about those two.

FINN Lorenzo: 0
ALVAREZ MARTINEZ Hector: 0

I don't tend to fill up my team with zero-pointers, and I very rarely pick riders from development teams. And I kind of also regret picking those two. How much can they really score? Will 100 points return be enough? Is 150 points suffice? I'm not really sure, but I suspect that those cheap riders - whether they cost 0, 10, or 25 points - theoretically would have to score more than most would think for them to be good picks. Nonetheless, I picked those two and here we are - but looking at it now, I'm actually not too happy about it.

Now on to the top 5 most popular riders that I didn't pick.

KÄMNA Lennard: 108

I did consider Kämna, but I actually wrote him off pretty early in the process. He had that horror injury which left him in the hospital for a month and a half and ruined his whole 2024 season. I simply don't think he'll bounce back strong enough this season.

TULETT Ben: 27

I actually considered Tulett a possible pick at 398 points last year, yet I didn't pick him for 27 points this year. Honestly, that's probably a mistake. I was just very disappointed with him last season, and have the feeling that he might never fulfill his potential. However, at 27 points I definitely should have given him some more consideration.

DINHAM Matthew: 0

I simply overlooked him. He would almost definitely have been a better pick than Alvarez or Finn.

SENECHAL Florian: 37

I know he was hit by injuries, which ruined his spring campaign. However, in 2023 he scored just 29 points in the spring anyway. Don't get me wrong, at 37 points he's definitely a worthy consideration and might even turn out to be a very good pick, but I just feel like his potential is quite limited.

WIDAR Jarno: 167

I went back on forth on Widar so many times. Probably the most of any rider. He's a monster talent, but 167 points for a rider on a development team? That sounds like too much for me. Yes, he'll do some races with the pro-team as well, but can he really reliably score 400+ points? I'm not too sure.

Now 5 riders I did consider, but opted away from or couldn't make room for.

ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor: 179

With all the monster talents out there, and the surplus of talent at UAE, I feel like Arrieta has gone under the radar. And compared to Del Toro, Christen, Morgado etc., that's probably for a good reason. He's not as big of a talent as those, but I really liked his progression and style of racing in 2024. I think he could be a sneakily good pick, although very unlikely one that would win you the game. Seeing that only 3 managers picked him, I really regret not including him. Yesterday I was even working on making room for him, only to realize that the deadline had passed.

CHRISTEN Fabio: 387

Now this would be a left field pick. And a unique one. Definitely not the most obvious pick, but he impressed me a lot in 2024 and I think he could take another step in 2025. In the end there were too many good picks in the 400 points region for me to pick him, but I'm still curious how it would have turned out.

ARTZ Huub: 90
I really wanted to make room for Artz, whom I consider a very interesting prospect, but you've got to make some cuts, right?

HAJEK Alexander: 241
Not one I was eager to fit in, but rather one I considered to some extend. A huge prospect, but might get buried in the team hierarchy at Bora.

BUSATTO Francesco: 282
Busatto was on my team for a long time, before I had to cut him to make room for others. Perhaps he didn't have that big breakthrough last season that some would have imagined, but I still think he showed fine progression and had some solid performances and results. I think it's not a big loss to leave him out, though.

Phew, that was some post. Good luck to everyone!
 
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@RedheadDane - Was completely random. Now just alphabetized it. When scores are in it will be based on score first, name second.

New teams added. People that made changes yesterday should have their changes reflected. There could be errors though, if so just tag me here. Two new unique picks were among the new teams. Santiago Ferraro and Mattia Stenico by @Jumbo Visma Fan :) A giro bet I reckon!
 
So, 4.55 a.m i woke up and didn't even wait for the 5 o'clock alarm. I leapt out of bed and down the stairs, still trying to wrestle with my dressing gown, like some 6 year old on Christmas morning. On with the computer for the big reveal.

Well, I think I'm even lower in the popularity ranking than normal ... but that's kind of what I expected given my motivation when picking the team. Personal enjoyment for the season ahead come ahead of "winning". Don't get me wrong, I want my team to profit well ... but there are some teams and riders that I would just not enjoy following. In the end I did pick some Visma riders, just neither of the two big hitters for this game. And I have always got the most enjoyment from picking young riders early that go on to score well. In the past the likes of Pogacar in his first big season, Lambrecht (bless) and more recently Del Torro and Martinez.... even Fretin last year gave me a lot of satisfaction.

On that note, the riders that I didn't pick. Wout and Jonas, obviously. Not a fan of either of them .... though I grew to like Jonas in the Vuelta. And I really really don't like Visma. And any rider over 1000 points is a big risk in terms of accident, illness or injury. .. so nix.

Tao ... I am a fan (I started his thread on the forum) ... I'll just have more fun with a youngster or two.

Jakobsen was in my shortlist ... and it may seem a bit mad to go for BITTNER instead. But he had the speed to out-drag Wout last year on one occasion. He's young, physically immature and has potential to get faster. I also watched a "Day in the life" video of him on youtube and really liked him a lot. Again, youth.

Vermeersch ... hands up. I just missed that one.

Van Baarle ... wears yellow. Likely to be workshorse. Not a fun pick either.

Hayter/Tullett ... had em both in the past. No desire to revisit.

I won't go through my whole team. Just a few key decisions. Like, how come I have 3 Visma riders when I really don't like the team?
Well, CIAN I had a couple of years ago, and he was low risk, high potential reward. GLOAG, just too good as a cheap pick to leave out. NORDHAGEN.., had him in my team last year and see progression so sticking. Swallowing the bad taste of Visma with the sweetness of progressive youth in all 3 cases.

ONLEY and POOLE. Could be viewed as Brit picks but actually I had both in my team last year and they both scored well despite each of them missing large chunks of the season. Assuming the stay on their bikes and improve with age/experience and stay fit, I think it's reasonable to expect an improved return. ONLEY hanging with Jonas on the climbs a couple of years ago sticks in my memory. Just how big their upsides could be is debateable, but I'll enjoy following them.

LENNY MARTINEZ. As with the two above, had him last year and he provided great entertainment value as well as profit. Can climb with the best (Pog and Jonas aside) and is a surprisingly decent time trialist for a featherweight. Might do well at the tour this year, if it's an actualy target rather than a duty.

Joseph BLACKMORE ... I pretty much always have the Avenir winner in my team, and often the other high placed finishers too. It always works out. Young Joe is probably the most expensive yet, but he just kept cropping up with good, consisten results. I am surprised he is on so few teams after Del Torro.

Jan CHRISTEN .... on a lot of teams. Major talent with scope, especially with Hirschi gone.

Jelte KRIJNSEN ... another rare pick. Noticed at the Tour of Britain. Lot's of consistent finishes throughout th year. Can sprint and can get over hills. Switching to a world tour team. Not cheap but definitely scope. And typical of the kind of rider that gives me most satisfaction. Anyone kind find Van Aert.

PELLIZZARI ... had him last year and boy was he fun to follow. Another Avenir pick. Sticking with him, despite cost. Still young. Change of teams. Major climbing talent. Only on 12 teams.

PENHOET, BITTNER, MIKHELS, NERURKAR, ROMEO ABAD, TORRES, WIDAR, BELOKI, BISIAUX, AUGUST, HUERTAS MARTINEZ .... file all under talented young riders with obvious scope.

PESCADOR ... as above but with the bonus of a great name.

LAFAY ... a favourite in our house since his Tour de Yorkshire exploits and being the only rider that my Missus has ever taken a shine to. Had him before. Wasn't going to pass up the chance to cheer him on at that cost.

KRON ... well as I picked him last year, he owes me. I like him.

IZQUIERDO ... young, cheap with an impressive set of results at NAT level. Unique pick and I am confident that he will be a good one.


I may not trouble the top ten with this team of mostly relatively rare picks, but I will have fun and I am sure there will be some satisfaction to be had along the way.
 

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