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Haha, I was just working on a reply to Squire's prior post but gave up/took a break as it was going in circles a bit, but a snippet of what I was saying in response to that post was "in the hypothetical, Bagioli (or a replacement level Bagioli stand-in) is absolutely not irrelevant to my consideration, but essential. The question for me isn't "will Gregoire and Almeida score more than Vingegaard" but rather "what is the best use of two spots in the scarce resource context of 33 riders and 7500 CQ points".

And then I basically elaborated that 'spreading out the risk' was my preferred strategy, all being held equal. Then I read on in the thread and learn that I'm misunderstanding the game ;)

But I guess I don't think of that kind of risk in terms of 'if one of my guys crashes I get zero points'. Very specifically, in choosing Gregoire and Almeida, my calculus was 'if they crash somewhere and miss a month or two, they are so versatile and consistent that I think they can score highly anywhere'. (same idea with WvA) That's what I want out of my high cost guys, that even if random chance has calamity befall them, they can cover enough that if my cheaper guys hit enough, I can still do quite well in the game. And also their potential ceiling is exciting, of course.

I think about 'floor' in terms of a) what if I've overestimated how good they're going to be and b) what if they miss time due to misfortune. I'm quite confident in those two riders on both those fronts, that even if my assessment is 'wrong' they'll be pretty good picks.

But that's how I've always thought about it - I'm pretty risk averse. I remember the first year of the game, my most expensive pick was Riccardo friggin' Ricco, who cost 756 points or something and then ended his career in February trying to blood dope himself, basically tanking my team's hopes. So maybe that colored it. And then the second year I was proud that my most expensive pick was merely 532 points or something, which I think was the lowest highest-cost rider of all the teams (ie certainly risk averse). And I was like 'oh yeah most expensive pick Modolo is my rarest rider, he'll be my secret weapon'. And a lot of things went well for that team, but that was not one of them. So that taught me that I don't really know anything about this game, and just trust my process. So in summary, I dunno?

To cap off the Vingegaard discussion, yes I can see the strong case for him (that was another reason I paused my response to Squire, I was convincing myself Vingegaard was the better choice lol). But in the end, when I was constructing my team my assessment was that my average EV for either combo (Vinge/random 62 pointer vs Almeida/Gregoire) was a wash, so I'd opt for the two-pronged strategy to a) spread the risk and b) have riders I was more excited about.
My apologies, I can see how that specific comment sounds harsh. I really didn't mean to sound condescending, but I can see how that comment comes off that way, so I'm sorry about that.

I just really like to discuss game strategy from a theoretical point of view and discuss what's optimal and not. But strategy is one thing, picking the right riders for that strategy is another. And there are so many variables to account for, which makes it very difficult to make an assessment. If you have two combinations of riders to choose from, choosing the one you think will give the highest return can never be a bad idea.

I myself don't exactly live and die by this way of looking at the game. If that was the case, my team would be a lot more polarized, a lot more top and bottom heavy.

Oh, and by the way, I was on the Ricco-train back then as well 😁
 
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Those of you who have picked Jarne Van de Paar, can you tell me what was going on in 2024 and if his issues have been solved? I really wanted to pick him, but I simply couldn't find any information at all, so I thought it was too risky.
 
I can't say I can read Tricycles' mind, but if you look at the 2024 CQ Ranking table (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingRider.asp?year=2024&current=0&start=201), start at rider 285 (BERNARD Julien) and then scan down the list to rider 315 (EWAN Caleb), you will get 31 of the riders on Tricycles' team. The only riders missing are the most expensive (Lutsenko) and the least expensive (Budyak).
Yeah, I did something similar on one of the GT games last year: worked out the team that a manager would be left with if they sent in an entirely ineligible team, and I applied the default replacement (ie, the 8 riders closest to the average allowable spend). Came in a nominal 30th out of 38.
 
@Amethyst, by the way was one of the two Pogacar team last year, so I'm sensing a pattern emerging there.


Appreciate the offer. I don't anticipate that it will be the most time consuming part but if you have already done the work there's no point in doing it again and I'd like to copy your homework thanks.

Direct link to csv. Just the Identifier plus FullName

I forgot Mancebo was still riding his bike. Kelme cyclists are real lovers of pro cycling. I miss that team...
 
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Here's my first team. 'Only' two unique picks with Laporte and Flynn, so that's the confirmation I didn't do that crazy :p

Flynn was very consistent in autumn with Denmark (9th), Deutschland (11th), Britain (10th) and CRO Race (13th). I'm curious how he will evolve in 2025.

I'm also high on Herregodts with probably the best TT setup at UAE compared to last year at Intermarché. Skerl is a small gamble, seems to have to top speed but don't know about his consistency.

LAPORTE Christophe
FLYNN Sean
ROTA Lorenzo
HERREGODTS Rune
SKERL Daniel
HATHERLY Alan
ISIDORE Noa
ENGELHARDT Felix
MASNADA Fausto
DONALDSON Robert
SCHMID Mauro
HAGENES Per Strand
LOUVEL Matis
LUTSENKO Alexey
PENHOËT Paul
TEUTENBERG Tim Torn
KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren
DEL GROSSO Tibor
GANNA Filippo
GESBERT Elie
LAFAY Victor
BAGIOLI Andrea
HAYTER Ethan
VAN AERT Wout
GLOAG Thomas
SEIXAS Paul
TORRES ARIAS Pablo
KRON Andreas Lorentz
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
PHILIPSEN Albert Withen
VERMEERSCH Florian
VAN BAARLE Dylan
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
 
In last year's thread I was talking about a new strategy, but here we are, overplaying the TDU starters as per tradition, going with Corbin Strong as my unique pick and missing out on WVA/Jonas. Feels like I'm getting worse every year. Happy if I crack the top 50 with this squad :D

MAGNIER Paul
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes
DE SCHUYTENEER Steffen
TORRES ARIAS Pablo
BEHRENS Niklas
KÄMNA Lennard
VAN EETVELT Lennert
SIMMONS Quinn
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
STRONG Corbin
DEL GROSSO Tibor
SVRCEK Martin
JAKOBSEN Fabio
TULETT Ben
AUGUST Andrew
PHILIPSEN Albert Withen
EULALIO Afonso
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
BRENNAN Matthew
BISIAUX Léo
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
NERURKAR Lukas
BRUTTOMESSO Alberto
VERMEERSCH Florian
SEIXAS Paul
NORDHAGEN Jørgen
GLOAG Thomas
WIDAR Jarno
MIHKELS Madis
SHEFFIELD Magnus
HUISING Menno
TIBERI Antonio
CAVAGNA Rémi
 
My starters in TDU

Luke Plapp
Mauro Schmid
Pablo Torres
Junior Lecerf
Dylan Van Baarle
Thomas Gloag
Albert Withen Philipsen
Andrea Bagioli

A lot of highly picked riders but Plapp is a decent differentiator at 20 and then I have Schmid at 10 and Lecerf at only 4 in popularity so hopefully they can do well.
 
That's great! A feature I would really like would be to plot in a combination of riders and then see who has that specific combination. For instance, if I type in Morgado and Vingegaard, a list should pop up with the teams that have this specific combination. That would be cool!

(Also added it as an option in navigation bar).

Only allow up to four choices but should suffice.
 
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Alli Anderson got points for being 4th in the womens ITT. There are no CQ points for the U23 National Championships that she and Zac Marriage won respectively.

See it but why do they handle this differently from WU and MU. MU cycles 28.8 km while ME cycles 38.4 km. WU and WE cycle the same distance, so this is the reason for CQ points. They can easily merge the rides. Stupid anyway
 
You also have a nice-looking team again this year. Hope we can renew our battling in the top 10!

As I have said already, I share your Vingegaard surprise. As for Dinham being the new Capiot, keep in mind that Capiot didn't turn out to be such a must-have. I think we'll be fine (I willingly did not prioritize Dinham, although he was close).
Yes, your team ones again looks also interesting! Good luck this year!

For me it will mostly depend on the performances of my higher price riders Vingegaard, van Aert, Lipowitz, Gall, Magnier, Riccitello and Demare.

The rest of my team is basically the Collective Wisdom team except of Herzog, Graat. Schelling and Orins. They can put me in a good position, but the higher price picks will have to make the difference in the end for me!
 
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