The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edition

[quiqui]

I like this idea.

When excluding national championships, there are also Heinrich Haussler on 10 and Daryl Impey on 6. Compared to SafeBet's figures I also have Modolo on 6, and Blythe, De Troyer, Evans and D. Moreno on 5. Results are as per CQ; please let me know where they are wrong.

Four riders so far have dropped out of these rankings after getting up to at least 5 top ten places: Guardini (7), Kwiatkowski (6), Bonifazio (5), Sepulveda (5).

 

[quiqui]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

Sagan is now alone in the lead and Porsev enters the list:
11 - P. Sagan
10 - N. Bouhanni
9 - E. Theuns
8 - T. Boonen, G. Van Avermaet
7 - G. Bole, F. Felline, Y. Gene, B. Planckaert, L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift
5 - A. Blythe, M. Canola, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, B. Intxausti, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, D. Moreno, A. Porsev

Or without national and continental championships:
11 - P. Sagan
10 - N. Bouhanni, H. Haussler
9 - E. Theuns
8 - T. Boonen, G. Van Avermaet
7 - G. Bole, F. Felline, Y. Gene, B. Planckaert, L.L. Sanchez
6 - A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, D. Impey, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift
5 - A. Blythe, M. Canola, S. Clarke, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, B. Intxausti, C. Laporte, T. Machado, D. Moreno, A. Porsev

Number of podium finishes without a win:
4 - Y. Gene, R. Torres, G. Van Avermaet
3 - T. Boonen, F. Felline, P. Gilbert, J. Mareczko, P. Sagan, E. Theuns

 

[SafeBet]

Let's keep NC included ok?

Sagan ready to sneak out today?

 

[quiqui]

Yes, I agree with keeping NC included. However, in the unlikely event that Sagan ends the season with 50 top 10s and the Slovak championship as his only win, he thoroughly deserves to win this .

 

[TMP402]

Haha Van Avermaet wins, Sagan second in T-A

 

[SafeBet]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

12 - P. Sagan
11 - N. Bouhanni
9 - E. Theuns
8 - T. Boonen
7 - G. Bole, F. Felline, Y. Gene, B. Planckaert, L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift
5 - A. Blythe, M. Canola, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, B. Intxausti, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, D. Moreno, A. Porsev

 

[TMP402]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

12 - P. Sagan
11 - N. Bouhanni
9 - E. Theuns
8 - T. Boonen
7 - G. Bole, F. Felline, Y. Gene, B. Planckaert, L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift
5 - A. Blythe, M. Canola, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, B. Intxausti, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, D. Moreno, A. Porsev

C. Evans is going to spend the rest of year on 5.

 

[del1962]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

Sagan has had 9 second places (10 if we include TTT) since his last win

(Sloval Nationals included as a second place)

 

[quiqui]

Updated standings after the weekend. Theuns got his first well-deserved win so drops out, but plenty of other hopefuls have joined the ranking.
12 - P. Sagan
11 - N. Bouhanni
8 - T. Boonen
7 - G. Bole, F. Felline, Y. Gene, B. Planckaert, L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift, R. Torres
5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

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5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens

Mareczko has already won two races this year.

 

[Netserk]

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5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens

Mareczko has already won two races this year.

You should already know, given it was you who asked about it on the first page...

How do you define "WT race"?

That's a good question. I have no idea.

WT/.HC/.1 could be enough I guess.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

Excellent thread.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

It's bit silly to keep on counting the no-wins of riders who have already won races...

 

[RedheadDane]

Sagan out of the race.

 

[del1962]

Sagan has left the building

 

[nepetalactone]

So now that Sagan is out, is he still 'winning' the race until, say, Bouhanni hits 13 top tens? Just trying to understand if a win while off the front keeps you in the race or not...

 

[Tank Engine]

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So now that Sagan is out, is he still 'winning' the race until, say, Bouhanni hits 13 top tens? Just trying to understand if a win while off the front keeps you in the race or not...

A win should mean a clear disqualification.

 

[SafeBet]

Re: The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a win - 2015 Edit

So now that Sagan is out, is he still 'winning' the race until, say, Bouhanni hits 13 top tens? Just trying to understand if a win while off the front keeps you in the race or not...

A win should mean a clear disqualification.

Absolutely.

It's bit silly to keep on counting the no-wins of riders who have already won races...

I tend to agree with you.

 

[PeterB]

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So now that Sagan is out, is he still 'winning' the race until, say, Bouhanni hits 13 top tens? Just trying to understand if a win while off the front keeps you in the race or not...

That would make sense but in a slightly different race - most Top10 results before first win of the season.

 

[RedheadDane]

Re: Re:

So now that Sagan is out, is he still 'winning' the race until, say, Bouhanni hits 13 top tens? Just trying to understand if a win while off the front keeps you in the race or not...

That would make sense but in a slightly different race - most Top10 results before first win of the season.

Yeah, but this race is for the most top10 without a win, and since Sagan has a win he's no longer without a win.

 

[SafeBet]

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Update

11 - N. Bouhanni
8 - T. Boonen, G. Bole, B. Planckaert*
7 - F. Felline, Y. Gene, , L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift, R. Torres
5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko*, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens, O. Gatto, B. Mollema, D. Pozzovivo

I'm keeping a * on riders who've won a .2 race. We need to take a decision about this.

 

[TMP402]

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Update

11 - N. Bouhanni
8 - T. Boonen, G. Bole, B. Planckaert*
7 - F. Felline, Y. Gene, , L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, A. Gougeard, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift, R. Torres
5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko*, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens, O. Gatto, B. Mollema, D. Pozzovivo

I'm keeping a * on riders who've won a .2 race. We need to take a decision about this.

You clarified on page one it should refer to WT/.HC/.1. I vote for this, for what it's worth. The title supports .2 but the OP reference to WT does not.

And to reiterate a point I made before, I think it's a bit harsh for Cadel Evans to be included in every list when he's no longer an active cyclist. He could technically win this competition if there's an amazing spread of wins, despite him only having about 10 days of racing spread over the first month of the season.

 

[quiqui]

I also vote for WT/.HC/.1 only, plus national, continental and world championships. You have to draw the line somewhere. If you count wins in .2 races, there is a point to be made for also having to count all top tens in .2 races. And still, someone high up on the list may have won a local race, or a points or mountain classification somewhere. By the way, I also vote for excluding team time trials for this list.

As for Cadel Evans, I actually thought it was quite honourable for him to have made it on this list even though he only did a few races this year. It would have been nice if he would have won one of course, but it shows he still went out with great form.

 

[SafeBet]

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You clarified on page one it should refer to WT/.HC/.1. I vote for this, for what it's worth. The title supports .2 but the OP reference to WT does not.

I also vote for WT/.HC/.1 only, plus national, continental and world championships. You have to draw the line somewhere. If you count wins in .2 races, there is a point to be made for also having to count all top tens in .2 races. And still, someone high up on the list may have won a local race, or a points or mountain classification somewhere.

I'm ok with this. We'll keep Planckaert and Mareczko in.

By the way, I also vote for excluding team time trials for this list.

Absolutely, only individual wins count.

As for Cadel Evans, I actually thought it was quite honourable for him to have made it on this list even though he only did a few races this year. It would have been nice if he would have won one of course, but it shows he still went out with great form.

Agree. This thread is not meant to shame riders. It's actually a declaration of love to all those riders who keep trying no matter how many good placements they get without winning.

 

[SafeBet]

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Clear lead for Nacer now.

12 - N. Bouhanni
9 - B. Planckaert
8 - T. Boonen, G. Bole
7 - F. Felline, Y. Gene, , L.L. Sanchez
6 - S. Clarke, A. Demare, P. Gilbert, J. Hivert, S. Modolo, E. Pinto, B. Swift, R. Torres
5 - V. Agnoli, A. Blythe, M. Canola, Sy. Chavanel, R. Costa, T. De Troyer, T. Dumoulin, C. Evans, R. Fernandez, J. Fuglsang, K. Hanson, B. Intxausti, G. Izagirre, M. Kudus, C. Laporte, T. Machado, J. Mareczko, D. Moreno, A. Porsev, S. Spilak, T. Wellens, O. Gatto, B. Mollema, D. Pozzovivo, J. Drucker