Teams & Riders The Amazing Race to Most Top10 Without a Win

[boneshaker]

E. Mas out.

 

[Anderis]

Mollema used his last (or second to last, maybe he rides the Japan Cup) chance to win and is out.

He used both.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Not on topic: but you should really make this into a twitter-account. It would boom

 

[Anderis]

It would boom

Boom only had 3 top10's this year.

 

[valentius borealis]

Not on topic: but you should really make this into a twitter-account. It would boom

I'd have to update my spreadsheet daily instead of once every couple of weeks (as I've been doing) if I was to take it to Twitter.

 

[valentius borealis]

I've finally gotten my spreadsheet up to date, and....

WE HAVE A TIE.

 

[valentius borealis]

23 - A. Capiot, R. Majka
22 - I. Cima
20 - R. Costa, C. Venturini, B. Vallée
18 - S. Consonni, S. Kruijswijk
17 - S. Clarke
16 - J. El Farès
15 - L. Pacioni, J. Keukeleire, C. Noppe, J. Polanc
14 - H. Hofstetter, E. Dunbar, M. Malucelli, V. García de Mateos, N. Politt, N. Terpstra, D. Martin, J. Haig, A. Jensen
13 - D. van Poppel, L.Craddock, O. Rodríguez, Q. Pacher, V. Madouas, E. Gesbert, J. Lastra, J. Mareczko, K. Sbaragli
12 - T. Gallopin, G. Thomas, M. Hirschi, J. Hirt, P. Barbier, R. Jans, R. Urán, M. Badilatti
11 - R. Bardet, B. van der Kooij, N. Bouhanni, S. Modolo, D. Pozzovivo, E. Baška, J. Koch, B. Welten, N. Oliveira, J.J. Rojas, H. Mulubrhan, M. Peñalver, D. Rodrigues
10 - V. Conti, G. César, N. Cherkasov, B. van Poppel, M. Kwiatkowski, R. Janse van Rensburg, J. Knox, M. Van Staeyen, W. Kelderman, M. Soler, J. Debusschere, P. Rolland, S. Oldani, C. Barthe

most top 10 before first win
25 - T. Van Asbroeck
20 - A. Vlasov
19 - Y. Reguigui, B. Mollema
17 - V. Nibali, S. Higuita
16 - R. Gibbons, J. Stuyven
15 - P. Konrad, O. Naesen, T. Benoot, R. du Plooy
13 - W. Poels, J. De Buyst, P. Bauhaus, M. Walscheid
12 - A. Demare, M. Tizza, T. Dupont, A. Pasqualon, E. Mas
11 - T. Boudat, E. Grosu, L. Mezgec, G. Visconti, Y. Lampaert, E, Theuns
10 - A. Valverde, G. Martin, S. Aniołkowski

 

[tobydawq]

Capiot has no less (fewer, says Stannis) than 6 11th placings of the season - Majka only 3. Should that be the tie-breaker?

 

[SafeBet]

Capiot has no less (fewer, says Stannis) than 6 11th placings of the season - Majka only 3. Should that be the tie-breaker?

We've never really thought of a tie breaker, have we? Most 11th placings would be 100% coherent with the spirit of the game, although one might argue that the quality of those top10s will tell you more about the consistency of the rider.

We could also refrain from awarding the 2019 title thus making their seasons truly winless.

 

[Anderis]

I think a tie-breaker could be the lesser number of 2nd places followed by the lesser number of 3rd places etc. A true top10 without win should be as anonymus as possible.

 

[boneshaker]

What is harder to achieve without a win:

1) top tens in 4 stages, TTT and GC at Giro and La Vuelta, or

2) top tens in 4 stages and PC at Tour de Valonie, Binck Bank Tour and PostNord Danmark Rundt?

 

[RedheadDane]

Surely it's Imerio Cima who is winning this. He's second!

 

[Anderis]

Surely it's Imerio Cima who is winning this. He's second!

I'm afraid not. He is third actually.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm afraid not. He is third actually.

Surely with Capiot and Majka in shared first, that puts him in second.
And just imagine if someone who hadn't read the rest of this - somewhat strange - thread saw my post above; winning because he's second. Makes sense...

 

[Anderis]

Capiot and Majka share first, so there are two ahead of Cima. If there are two ahead of you, you are third, not second.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm not looking at how many is ahead, I'm looking at placings.

1. Majka and Capiot
2. I. Cima

 

[Anderis]

Generally, if there are two people ex-aequo on first, then 2nd place is not awarded. It's like:

1. Capiot, Majka 3.Cima 4. Costa, Venturini, Vallee 7. Consonni, Kruijswijk

Happens a lot in some sports disciplines like ski-jumping when having an equal point result is not that uncommon. If there are two people ex-aequo on first and you're the next behind, you then get third.

 

[tobydawq]

I'm not looking at how many is ahead, I'm looking at placings.

1. Majka and Capiot
2. I. Cima

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong!!!

You don't win the silver medal in the Olympics 100 metre final just because the seven guys ahead of you cannot be split by the photo finish.

 

[RedheadDane]

This is different. Majka and Capiot have the same amount of points in first, but the entire point of this is about not being in first.
Though… I suppose that would make everyone but Majka and Capiot the (non)winners of this…

 

[Tonton]

Some big names on that list.

 

[Pantani_lives]

I think a tie-breaker could be the lesser number of 2nd places followed by the lesser number of 3rd places etc. A true top10 without win should be as anonymus as possible.

I don't agree. Someone with ten second places and no wins is more baffling than someone who only collects places in the lower part of the top 10. The more second places, the better.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

most top 10 before first win
25 - T. Van Asbroeck
20 - A. Vlasov
19 - Y. Reguigui, B. Mollema
17 - V. Nibali, S. Higuita
16 - R. Gibbons, J. Stuyven
15 - P. Konrad, O. Naesen, T. Benoot, R. du Plooy
13 - W. Poels, J. De Buyst, P. Bauhaus, M. Walscheid
12 - A. Demare, M. Tizza, T. Dupont, A. Pasqualon, E. Mas
11 - T. Boudat, E. Grosu, L. Mezgec, G. Visconti, Y. Lampaert, E, Theuns
10 - A. Valverde, G. Martin, S. Aniołkowski

In the same spirit, there should be a list with most top 10 after first win, which would clearly be won by Jasper Philipsen. Or simply "longest streak of top 10 without a win".

 

[Anderis]

I don't agree. Someone with ten second places and no wins is more baffling than someone who only collects places in the lower part of the top 10. The more second places, the better.

It sort of depends.

Someone with ten second places and no wins is indeed baffling but someone who managed 25 top10's without a single 2nd is more baffling than someone who had a couple.

 

[SafeBet]

In the same spirit, there should be a list with most top 10 after first win, which would clearly be won by Jasper Philipsen. Or simply "longest streak of top 10 without a win".

I believe Damiano Caruso is approaching 100 consecutive top10 without a win.

 

[tobydawq]

I believe Damiano Caruso is approaching 100 consecutive top10 without a win.

I count it to 97. A period during which he managed to finish 11th in a Tour with nine stage placings between 11 and 20 but not a single top 10 on a stage!