The Armstrong talking points

[fatandfast]

If the guy is so strapped for cash then why not sell the story and get the whistle-blower money?
In fact his story to the press doesn't have to be true for him to get paid - where it certainly does for the whistle-blower action.

Obviously the FDA point is something you have thought long about - did you contact your local politicians or the Federal Government to articulate your distress at the way they work before May of last year?

dearest Dr, I did not contact my local politician or federal government about my bellyache. I hope they will discontinue the pursuit of a few dozen pro athletes no matter what the sport discipline. I hope that they will dedicate more resources to at least labeling genetically modified foods. I hope that if athletes are caught with banned substances in a given blood sample. I would hope that the FDA would be just as responsible after the substance is indeed found in the improperly marked,marketed and tested products. US athletes are taking suppliment powders and products that have illegal components. The sport tests often find the substance rather than the agency that we have allocated billions of dollars to do so.

Given the scope of the job, I think doing anything at Landis's suggestion is totally f-cking stupid. Before becoming a trusted advisor to the FDA he was found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies. Armstrong..DB sure he is. Should we spend millions confirming it at the expense of so many more important food and drug issues..NFW

 

[Digger]

dearest Dr, I did not contact my local politician or federal government about my bellyache. I hope they will discontinue the pursuit of a few dozen pro athletes no matter what the sport discipline. I hope that they will dedicate more resources to at least labeling genetically modified foods. I hope that if athletes are caught with banned substances in a given blood sample. I would hope that the FDA would be just as responsible after the substance is indeed found in the improperly marked,marketed and tested products. US athletes are taking suppliment powders and products that have illegal components. The sport tests often find the substance rather than the agency that we have allocated billions of dollars to do so.

Given the scope of the job, I think doing anything at Landis's suggestion is totally f-cking stupid. Before becoming a trusted advisor to the FDA he was found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies. Armstrong..DB sure he is. Should we spend millions confirming it at the expense of so many more important food and drug issues..NFW

Landis should get a job as a mine sweeper in Afghanistan

What a lovely human being you are.

 

[jimmypop]

dearest Dr, I did not contact my local politician or federal government about my bellyache. I hope they will discontinue the pursuit of a few dozen pro athletes no matter what the sport discipline. I hope that they will dedicate more resources to at least labeling genetically modified foods. I hope that if athletes are caught with banned substances in a given blood sample. I would hope that the FDA would be just as responsible after the substance is indeed found in the improperly marked,marketed and tested products. US athletes are taking suppliment powders and products that have illegal components. The sport tests often find the substance rather than the agency that we have allocated billions of dollars to do so.

Given the scope of the job, I think doing anything at Landis's suggestion is totally f-cking stupid. Before becoming a trusted advisor to the FDA he was found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies. Armstrong..DB sure he is. Should we spend millions confirming it at the expense of so many more important food and drug issues..NFW

Again, can I ask why posters like this - who consistently distract from any real dialogue and who refuse to remain civil - are tolerated here? Opposing viewpoints are fine, and there's a history of excellent discussions and disagreements, but posters like this display an unwillingness to think time after time.

I can tolerate the stupidity and adult man-love, but the mean-spiritedness is misdirected: look inward.

 

[Trailzz]

Not when you tell the whole story as Landis has.

I find it highly improbable that Floyd Landis has told the whole story or has been 100% truthful. past history and behavior suggests otherwise.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

dearest Dr, I did not contact my local politician or federal government about my bellyache. I hope they will discontinue the pursuit of a few dozen pro athletes no matter what the sport discipline. I hope that they will dedicate more resources to at least labeling genetically modified foods. I hope that if athletes are caught with banned substances in a given blood sample. I would hope that the FDA would be just as responsible after the substance is indeed found in the improperly marked,marketed and tested products. US athletes are taking suppliment powders and products that have illegal components. The sport tests often find the substance rather than the agency that we have allocated billions of dollars to do so.

Given the scope of the job, I think doing anything at Landis's suggestion is totally f-cking stupid. Before becoming a trusted advisor to the FDA he was found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies. Armstrong..DB sure he is. Should we spend millions confirming it at the expense of so many more important food and drug issues..NFW

So, in short.

Landis ** mod removing reference to quoted post ** was "found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies."

But Lance who has done all the same for 20 years & has had numerous books (including 2 he 'wrote') should be let off?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Again, can I ask why posters like this - who consistently distract from any real dialogue and who refuse to remain civil - are tolerated here? Opposing viewpoints are fine, and there's a history of excellent discussions and disagreements, but posters like this display an unwillingness to think time after time.

I can tolerate the stupidity and adult man-love, but the mean-spiritedness is misdirected: look inward.

My view is let it stand.

It shows exactly what the posters view is and what type of fan Lance has.

 

[Benotti69]

My view is let it stand.

It shows exactly what the posters view is and what type of fan Lance has.

I dont think these so called 'fans' (in Italy they are called Ultra's and have no interest in sport as such) should be allowed to post such things. It is obvious enough what they are about when they come on here professing their love for a fraud, doper and liar.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I find it highly improbable that Floyd Landis has told the whole story or has been 100% truthful. past history and behavior suggests otherwise.

Its pretty simple.
I never believed that he did not dope in 2006, so I didn't really follow his case because it was filled with inaccuracies and inconsistencies.

However what he said to Kimmage is exceedingly consistent with what was suspected at the time and more importantly what he said to both the WSJ and ESPN back in May.

 

[flicker]

I am a Landis fan, he was the true winner of the 06 Tour, cheated by WADA and their witnesses from his glorious victory. Seeing as he has lied habitually since his disgrace, anyone who takes Landis seriously is a fool. It must hurt him to see people who have cheated reap in the benefits, however Landis credibility is shot. Nothing to do about anyone but Landis, his credebility is shot.

 

[Trailzz]

Its pretty simple.
I never believed that he did not dope in 2006, so I didn't really follow his case because it was filled with inaccuracies and inconsistencies.

However what he said to Kimmage is exceedingly consistent with what was suspected at the time and more importantly what he said to both the WSJ and ESPN back in May.

Fair enough. I just think it is in his DNA to lie to some extent. My guess is he is ~90% truthful at this point. I also think he has selectively outed certain people and hasn't told everything he knows. Maybe it just hasn't made it to the media yet.

 

[fatandfast]

My view is let it stand.

It shows exactly what the posters view is and what type of fan Lance has.

1st I am no Lance fan. Mine sweeper is a real job not to be confused with the devices that find/destroy and disarm mines. I think the FDA doing an extensive,expensive investigation far outside the confines of the agency is silly. Landis is an admitted failure. The thread was talking points and as long as all the talking points point to Armstrong doing something wrong then they are logged in a some kind of unverified interweb fact.

Landis caught for dope. Wrote a book absent of facts. Huge government agencies accepting responsibility for possible drug violations by a bike racer from a team Landis quit in 2004.

I would enjoy Landis trying to join the armed services. No matter what the outcome it may force the comparison to Pat Tillman. I am unsure if his character or lack of it are desirable for the mine sweeping job.

As Armstrong slowly fades into sports history Landis will completely disappear once his last tidbit of rat cheese dries up and becomes inedible.

there is an Army recruiter in Escondido, it's worth a shot Floyd but I would call first. Lance just did a USO tour but who's comparing

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Fair enough. I just think it is in his DNA to lie to some extent. My guess is he is ~90% truthful at this point. I also think he has selectively outed certain people and hasn't told everything he knows. Maybe it just hasn't made it to the media yet.

Dopers lie, thats what they do -its all part of the game, you dope, you lie.

Who has he 'selectively' outed? He even mentioned DaveZ who was his closest buddy

 

[palmerq]

I think this thread is meant to be about armstrong, I guess landis is connected to armstrong but I don't think discussion about wheter floyd should join the army or not have much to do with this topic, so please stay on topic everyone(whatever the topic is :S).

 

[jimmypop]

My view is let it stand.

It shows exactly what the posters view is and what type of fan Lance has.

The poster's quote should stand, both to provide context and for the reasons you and others have noted.

 

[Trailzz]

Dopers lie, thats what they do -its all part of the game, you dope, you lie.

Who has he 'selectively' outed? He even mentioned DaveZ who was his closest buddy

It's obviously just a guess but if he has left anyone out that he could have outed with the others then he is being selective. Again, just what I believe to be a reasonable guess.

 

[flicker]

Pretty much I would guess that Lance's attorneys would question the credibility of any witnesses. Also any witnesses, who witnessed any solo witnessing against any Lance wrong doing would be questioned for motive and credibility.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think this thread is meant to be about armstrong, I guess landis is connected to armstrong but I don't think discussion about wheter floyd should join the army or not have much to do with this topic, so please stay on topic everyone(whatever the topic is :S).

The thread is "The Armstrong Talking Points" - it seems that one of those talking points is that Landis is a bitter liar who is only motivated by "financial gain".

1st I am no Lance fan. Mine sweeper is a real job not to be confused with the devices that find/destroy and disarm mines. I think the FDA doing an extensive,expensive investigation far outside the confines of the agency is silly. Landis is an admitted failure. The thread was talking points and as long as all the talking points point to Armstrong doing something wrong then they are logged in a some kind of unverified interweb fact.

Landis caught for dope. Wrote a book absent of facts. Huge government agencies accepting responsibility for possible drug violations by a bike racer from a team Landis quit in 2004.

I would enjoy Landis trying to join the armed services. No matter what the outcome it may force the comparison to Pat Tillman. I am unsure if his character or lack of it are desirable for the mine sweeping job.

As Armstrong slowly fades into sports history Landis will completely disappear once his last tidbit of rat cheese dries up and becomes inedible.

there is an Army recruiter in Escondido, it's worth a shot Floyd but I would call first. Lance just did a USO tour but who's comparing

Well - as you're "no Lance fan" then what in your neutral position - should be the punishment on Armstrong as his lies and scale of fraud and deceit is much greater than that of Floyds?

 

[D-Queued]

I think this thread is meant to be about armstrong, I guess landis is connected to armstrong but I don't think discussion about wheter floyd should join the army or not have much to do with this topic, so please stay on topic everyone(whatever the topic is :S).

Considering that this is the 'Armstrong talking points' thread, dialog about Floyd is appropriate both directly and indirectly.

The talking points include depricating and denouncing Floyd, since he is the Whistleblower.

In so doing, the talking points also learn from and directly leverage the Floyd misinformation campaign. To criticize Floyd for lying about doping in cycling simply joins the concepts of cycling-lying-doping.

Floyd learned from the hypos of Armstrong, and Armstrong and followers are showing an ability to learn from the hypocrisy of the Floyd fanatics.

By taking the same, failed, strategy the Lance army lowers themselves to below that which they criticize. It is Shakespearean in its failed contrivance.

dearest Dr, I did not contact my local politician or federal government about my bellyache. I hope they will discontinue the pursuit of a few dozen pro athletes no matter what the sport discipline. I hope that they will dedicate more resources to at least labeling genetically modified foods. I hope that if athletes are caught with banned substances in a given blood sample. I would hope that the FDA would be just as responsible after the substance is indeed found in the improperly marked,marketed and tested products. US athletes are taking suppliment powders and products that have illegal components. The sport tests often find the substance rather than the agency that we have allocated billions of dollars to do so.

Given the scope of the job, I think doing anything at Landis's suggestion is totally f-cking stupid. Before becoming a trusted advisor to the FDA he was found to be a fraud both on the playing field,a couple of sports courts and in the court of public opinion after writing a book filled with lies. Armstrong..DB sure he is. Should we spend millions confirming it at the expense of so many more important food and drug issues..NFW

Again, can I ask why posters like this - who consistently distract from any real dialogue and who refuse to remain civil - are tolerated here? Opposing viewpoints are fine, and there's a history of excellent discussions and disagreements, but posters like this display an unwillingness to think time after time.

I can tolerate the stupidity and adult man-love, but the mean-spiritedness is misdirected: look inward.

Jimmypop, as noted above, you and I saw the same craziness with the FFF. The more strident the argument, the more obvious in its distortion and foolish it becomes.

Lance's PR Team: Let's attack the messenger!
Lanceophiles: All praise Lance. Floyd is evil. Floyd took drugs. FLOYD HAD DRUGS. FLOYD HAD A BAD CYCLING UPBRINGING.

Err, and whose understudy was he? Where, exactly, did he get these drugs?

Repeat after me:

Floyd's career is highly correlated to Lance's career. Floyd was a cyclist. Lance was a cyclist. Lance is the self-annointed poster child of cycling.

Floyd won the Tour on drugs. Lance won the Tour. Lance is on drugs.

When you speak about Floyd and drugs, you speak about Lance and drugs.

If Floyd is a cyclist that lies, cyclists lie. Lance lies.

Got it?

Connected. At. The. Hip.

Dave.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Stop taking the bait

Doctor Mas;

Please! For the love of all things holy! You have to stop allowing yourself to get baited!

I appreciate your opinion, and your big brain full of interesting tid-bits, but this has got to end.

I'd rather you pick up a hammer and start going at your own head (I'd recommend a ballpeen).

There is no convincing the ***. That's why they're called ***. They are ***.

I realize the season's ramping up, and the usual Clinic suspects aren't being as prolific as they tend to be, but please - no more trying to pick them (the trolls) apart.

Post a relevant link, hope that they're literate (might be a tall order), and then shut up. If they get after you again, post another link that makes your point.

Catering to these stumps only gives them a soap-box to effect weaker minds.

This is war, baby. War!

 

[Digger]

1st I am no Lance fan. Mine sweeper is a real job not to be confused with the devices that find/destroy and disarm mines. I think the FDA doing an extensive,expensive investigation far outside the confines of the agency is silly. Landis is an admitted failure. The thread was talking points and as long as all the talking points point to Armstrong doing something wrong then they are logged in a some kind of unverified interweb fact.

Landis caught for dope. Wrote a book absent of facts. Huge government agencies accepting responsibility for possible drug violations by a bike racer from a team Landis quit in 2004.

I would enjoy Landis trying to join the armed services. No matter what the outcome it may force the comparison to Pat Tillman. I am unsure if his character or lack of it are desirable for the mine sweeping job. As Armstrong slowly fades into sports history Landis will completely disappear once his last tidbit of rat cheese dries up and becomes inedible.
there is an Army recruiter in Escondido, it's worth a shot Floyd but I would call first. Lance just did a USO tour but who's comparing

You are a horrible piece of work.

 

[Zweistein]

I am a Landis fan, he was the true winner of the 06 Tour, cheated by WADA and their witnesses from his glorious victory. Seeing as he has lied habitually since his disgrace, anyone who takes Landis seriously is a fool. It must hurt him to see people who have cheated reap in the benefits, however Landis credibility is shot. Nothing to do about anyone but Landis, his credebility is shot.

Yeah, his credibility is so damaged. How come no one has been able to refute his claims? How come other people are substantiating his claims?

 

[Race Radio]

Landis did not do it for the money. It is a little know fact that Floyd moved to Hemet to run a large Meth production facility in a friends double wide trailer.

The Mennonites have long been the primely distribution channel of Meth on the East coast and Floyd is using his extensive connections to flood the East coast with power pills.

 

[Oldman]

Landis did not do it for the money. It is a little know fact that Floyd moved to Hemet to run a large Meth production facility in a friends double wide trailer.

The Mennonites have long been the primely distribution channel of Meth on the East coast and Floyd is using his extensive connections to flood the East coast with power pills.

That put a ripple in my foil hat.

 

[flicker]

Yeah, his credibility is so damaged. How come no one has been able to refute his claims? How come other people are substantiating his claims?

Lets start,Landis best seller 'Positively False', Landis assistant calling up LeMond the night before LeMonds testimony in front of WADA.... etc, etc.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Landis did not do it for the money. It is a little know fact that Floyd moved to Hemet to run a large Meth production facility in a friends double wide trailer.

The Mennonites have long been the primely distribution channel of Meth on the East coast and Floyd is using his extensive connections to flood the East coast with power pills.

I'm going to assume that Papp's running distribution. When he's not propping up ex-clients, being a full-time doping apologist, and trying to force himself into the self-important world of American cycling, that is.