The Armstrong talking points

[thehog]

Is that right? How about alcohol fueling ones courage? Same thing. LA had an artificial body and therefore an artificial mind. I'm not saying he wasn't an elite athlete before PED's, but the drugs made him what he was which was far more than reality. Hard to dispute that .

I think you need to add that when your team is fuelled, you're fuelled & the testers only come knocking when arranged you have a superior confidenced in riding the last 5km of a mountain stage on your own & winning. 2004 TDF was case in point. It was starting to look a little silly so they had to taper it back.

 

[Dallas_]

Post hole digging

The case against Al Capone for tax-evasion moved faster than this.

Glad you mentioned tax evasion.

So he lobbies another state to increase taxes, yet at the same time the IRS are having a look under the hood.

As far as his public image is concerned, miracle boy seems to be digging himself into a very deep hole.

cheers

 

[Polish]

Glad you mentioned tax evasion.

Lance was transformed into a 7 time TdF winner by tax evasion.

Lance had exclusive access to the best accountant.
Other riders were left using H&R Block.

And make no mistake, riders respond differently to deductions.
Some respond better than others.

Did you see Lance's financial performance at the 1994 TdF?
Indurian crushed Lance. No comparision.

Because as a young rider, Lance could not hedge. Lance could not arbitrage.
He was just a muni bond fund specialist. Index funds lol. CD's.

In 1999 Lance boasted to team mates about having exclusive access to Bovine IPO's.

But I think we can all agree that it was truly Lance's Cancer Fight that somehow transformed him into the highest tax brackets.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance was transformed into a 7 time TdF winner by tax evasion.

It certainly helped. How do you think he paid Ferrari and Verburggen?

 

[Oldman]

I really don't see her adopting anything other than a very politically correct answer to a request by a member of congress. What else can she say?


The congressman is trying to raise a stink, so Ms. Hamburg's office is "looking into it"...which is total horse ****. This is a high profile case and for sure it's on her radar. This along with the Bonds matter. She knows EXACTLY what is going on and could probably give the answer down to the penny off the top of her head.

Her response is the classic beltway deflection of "looking into it" which can also be very easily translated into "Congressman, don't plan on getting an answer any time soon".

As the article very clearly states, this is beyond simply the purview of the FDA. DOJ, the USPS, the FBI, and a few more agencies are all in on this now.

Sounds like Fabriani went down the congressional roll until he found someone who owed him a solid, and was willing to ***** himself over this.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A senior Food and Drug Administration regulator warned that another public health crisis may be inevitable because the agency can't guarantee the safety of many drugs and food products manufactured overseas.

She doesn't have to say anything. She uses her staff to respond:


"The safety of America's food and medical products is under serious challenge," John Taylor, FDA's acting principal deputy commissioner, said Monday.

1Email Print He said the safety agency must reinvent itself to operate more effectively globally, or "another public health crisis like Heparin seems inevitable."

Contaminants in blood thinner Heparin produced in China have been linked to more than 100 deaths in the United States in 2008.

The FDA is responsible for overseeing the safety and manufacturing quality of food, drugs, medical devices, vaccines, cosmetics and tobacco products.

U.S. takes over three Tylenol plants
Speaking at the Pew Health Group conference in Washington D.C., Taylor said the FDA can't keep up with how quickly manufacturing has shifted overseas.

Decades ago, Taylor said the agency had a better grip on ensuring the safety of those products because most of them were made in the United States.

But today, he said, the agency is crippled in its mission to protect the health of Americans since a lot of medicine sold in the U.S. is made abroad and outside of strict FDA oversight.

 

[Yeahright]

Is that right? How about alcohol fueling ones courage? Same thing. LA had an artificial body and therefore an artificial mind. I'm not saying he wasn't an elite athlete before PED's, but the drugs made him what he was which was far more than reality. Hard to dispute that .

Not sure what alcohol has to do with the matter under discussion unless you are saying that he rode the climbs drunk, which would make his performance more impressive not less....

I am not debating the fact that he took peds or he didn't. I am merely saying that he raced tough. It is nonsense to say that he only won because he and all his team were on PED's when every other top team would have been on a similar program.

On your last point, virtually all of the top cyclists from about 1995 on were all 'enhanced' performers, that is the reality, so he probably wasn't any further from reality than Ullrich, Pantani or a host of others.

 

[red_flanders]

Not sure what alcohol has to do with the matter under discussion unless you are saying that he rode the climbs drunk, which would make his performance more impressive not less....

I am not debating the fact that he took peds or he didn't. I am merely saying that he raced tough. It is nonsense to say that he only won because he and all his team were on PED's when every other top team would have been on a similar program.

On your last point, virtually all of the top cyclists from about 1995 on were all 'enhanced' performers, that is the reality, so he probably wasn't any further from reality than Ullrich, Pantani or a host of others.

I'd need some serious convincing to see how every other top team was on a similar program with all the evidence that not only did Armstrong's teams have exclusives on certain doctors, but clearly may have had protection for their program from the UCI.

The kind of freedom such protection would engender would certainly allow one to push the barriers harder than a team without such protection.

 

[Oldman]

Not sure what alcohol has to do with the matter under discussion unless you are saying that he rode the climbs drunk, which would make his performance more impressive not less....

I am not debating the fact that he took peds or he didn't. I am merely saying that he raced tough. It is nonsense to say that he only won because he and all his team were on PED's when every other top team would have been on a similar program.

On your last point, virtually all of the top cyclists from about 1995 on were all 'enhanced' performers, that is the reality, so he probably wasn't any further from reality than Ullrich, Pantani or a host of others.

Except that those gentlemen didn't represent themselves as the Second Coming of Jesus on behalf of Cancer Cures and then pocket undeserved 10s of millions of dollars for the fraud. That sets Lance apart from all champions.

 

[Race Radio]

Not sure what alcohol has to do with the matter under discussion unless you are saying that he rode the climbs drunk, which would make his performance more impressive not less....

I am not debating the fact that he took peds or he didn't. I am merely saying that he raced tough. It is nonsense to say that he only won because he and all his team were on PED's when every other top team would have been on a similar program.

On your last point, virtually all of the top cyclists from about 1995 on were all 'enhanced' performers, that is the reality, so he probably wasn't any further from reality than Ullrich, Pantani or a host of others.

Did every other team's program include access to experimental drugs? Did all the other teams pay off the UCI to make positives disappear? Did they all get advanced notice of "Surprise" testing? Did all the other teams have the media ignore the obvious because they were too invested in the myth and too ignorant of the sport.

Compare Ulrich and Armstrong's treatment by their national media and let us know how that could possibly be equal.

 

[Polish]

I'd need some serious convincing to see how every other top team was on a similar program with all the evidence that not only did Armstrong's teams have exclusives on certain doctors, but clearly may have had protection for their program from the UCI.

The kind of freedom such protection would engender would certainly allow one to push the barriers harder than a team without such protection.

Sorry Red, but the USPS Program was most likely "gentler" than many other teams in that era.

Check out Kelme, ONCE, Telekom, and many others.
Dangerously aggressive doping going on.

After Lance's recovery from cancer - Dr Ferrarri became more conservative in his approach towards Lance. Dr Ferrarri was more aggressive during the 90's with many many riders. None won the TdF multiple times btw.


And as far as Lance being "protected"?
Source please.
Mr Manrod?
Any other sources?

 

[Race Radio]

And as far as Lance being "protected"?
Source please.
Mr Manrod?
Any other sources?

Julien Devries. Jesus Manzano.

 

[D-Queued]

Sorry Red, but the USPS Program was most likely "gentler" than many other teams in that era.

Check out Kelme, ONCE, Telekom, and many others.
Dangerously aggressive doping going on.

After Lance's recovery from cancer - Dr Ferrarri became more conservative in his approach towards Lance. Dr Ferrarri was more aggressive during the 90's with many many riders. None won the TdF multiple times btw.


And as far as Lance being "protected"?
Source please.
Mr Manrod?
Any other sources?

That's the ticket.

USPS brought us kindler, gentler doping. A thousand points of infusion.

(But what about the illicit purchase and use of not yet FDA approved stuff? Sounds more like organized crime than gentler doping? Do you think he will get a Presidential pardon?)

Dave.

 

[CowboyTx]

Sorry Red, but the USPS Program was most likely "gentler" than many other teams in that era.

Source please?

 

[Polish]

Source please?

Jesus Manzano - almost killed by Kelme docs using exotic dope cocktails.

Mr Manrod - simple blood transfusions @ USPS being supervised by 2 docs per rider

 

[Polish]

Julien Devries.

Surrrre he did.

Julien told Kathy who told Greg who told Mr Manrod.
Must be true.

 

[uspostal]

Did every other team's program include access to experimental drugs? Did all the other teams pay off the UCI to make positives disappear? Did they all get advanced notice of "Surprise" testing? Did all the other teams have the media ignore the obvious because they were too invested in the myth and too ignorant of the sport.

Compare Ulrich and Armstrong's treatment by their national media and let us know how that could possibly be equal.

I've seen this mentioned in the Sports Illustrated article, that something WAS available at the time, never any proof nor did the article state LA was on said drug. I assume that you have seen the checks sent to the UCI and looked at the line stating what the check was for and seen the word PAYOFF there.

Compare the national media attention between LA and Ulrich, Lance 1st place Ulrich 1st loser/ 2nd place.

 

[veganrob]

Not sure what alcohol has to do with the matter under discussion unless you are saying that he rode the climbs drunk, which would make his performance more impressive not less....

I am not debating the fact that he took peds or he didn't. I am merely saying that he raced tough. It is nonsense to say that he only won because he and all his team were on PED's when every other top team would have been on a similar program.

On your last point, virtually all of the top cyclists from about 1995 on were all 'enhanced' performers, that is the reality, so he probably wasn't any further from reality than Ullrich, Pantani or a host of others.

I was talking about how drugs affect the brain, ie, alcohol can give people false courage. Understand. Duh.
And we are also talking about LA and his team mates, and all the other advantages his team had that others did not. Advance notice of testing, not having to worry about getting caught, access to drugs no one else had to fuel his courage. O an d on.
Have you been reading at all or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

 

[Dallas_]

Hemming

I've seen this mentioned in the Sports Illustrated article, that something WAS available at the time, never any proof nor did the article state LA was on said drug.

Justin Davis, Agence France Presse: There is a report on Sports Illustrated …

Armstrong: I don’t have anything to say.

Davis: Allegations that you used …

Armstrong: You got a new question?

Davis: Have you read the article?

Armstrong: I’ve perused it. There is nothing there.

source http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...address-sports-illustrated-allegations_155995

If there was in fact nothing there, Miracle Boy would have had no trouble in answering this line of questioning.

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and that Armstrong acquired HemAssist from Baxter Healthcare Corp. while the drug was in clinical trials

source http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/1/18/1942888/sports-illustrated-lance-armstrong-doping-story-time

Do you really believe Sports Illustrated published this without checking the facts?

Do you really believe Miracle boy acquired HemAssist, then put it on the shelf to admire the fancy label?

Novitzky would have left no stone unturned on the HemAssist investigation.

Regarding HemAssist, If SI know X, then Novitzky knows X + Y. We can all agree on that.

cheers to Novi

 

[Race Radio]

Jesus Manzano - almost killed by Kelme docs using exotic dope cocktails.

Mr Manrod - simple blood transfusions @ USPS being supervised by 2 docs per rider

2 Docs per rider? Nope.

The Blood doping program was supervised by Duffy, A challenged, chainsmoking, Belgium cook.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

2 Docs per rider? Nope.

The Blood doping program was supervised by Duffy, A challenged, chainsmoking, Belgium cook.

You always get the good pics. LMAO

 

[Polish]

2 Docs per rider? Nope.

The Blood doping program was supervised by Duffy, A challenged, chainsmoking, Belgium cook.
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Floyd in his e-mails described a simple blood transfusion session where he was being watched over by 2 Docs during the procedure.

Maybe Chef Duffy, the MasterMind behind the USPS transfusion program, was in his office making evil plans with Chinese drug manufacturers? Giving advice to Dr Ferrarri too. "Michelle baby, lets up the dosages'

Good thing USPS/Disco/Astana had exclusive use of Chef Duffy....
No other Teams could use Chef Duffy....

Alberto is regretting that "The Chef" left Astana to go to Radioshack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_JP055E9JU
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[flicker]

Floyd in his e-mails described a simple blood transfusion session where he was being watched over by 2 Docs during the procedure.

Maybe Chef Duffy, the MasterMind behind the USPS transfusion program, was in his office making evil plans with Chinese drug manufacturers? Giving advice to Dr Ferrarri too. "Michelle baby, lets up the dosages'

Good thing USPS/Disco/Astana had exclusive use of Chef Duffy....
No other Teams could use Chef Duffy....

Alberto is regretting that "The Chef" left Astana to go to Radioshack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_JP055E9JU
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It is a known fact that the duct taping the transfussion bags to the side of the bus during transfussion sessions was perfected during Duffy's tenure as a USPS chef. He used to duct tape zip-locks of fois de gras and truffles to the side of the bus on the long halls while cooking for the gang.....

 

[MacRoadie]

It is a known fact that the duct taping the transfussion bags to the side of the bus during transfussion sessions was perfected during Duffy's tenure as a USPS chef. He used to duct tape zip-locks of fois de gras and truffles to the side of the bus on the long halls while cooking for the gang.....

General question to the two of you: Is Armstrong still under Federal investigation by the FDA, the USPS, the FBI and the IRS?


Thought so...

 

[flicker]

General question to the two of you: Is Armstrong still under Federal investigation by the FDA, the USPS, the FBI and the IRS?


Thought so...

I do not know but you might ask them.

 

[Polish]

General question to the two of you: Is Armstrong still under Federal investigation by the FDA, the USPS, the FBI and the IRS?
Thought so...

Please add Italian, Belgium, and French Police. Interpol, KGB, Scotland Yard.
I never denied Lance is a bad bad man.
Not the worst there is - but he is near the top of the list for sure:

1) Chef Duffy
2) Lance
3) THE WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST
4) Austrian Human Plasma Lab Inc
5) DARTH VADER
6) HANNIBAL LECTER
7) Alberto's People
8) Dr Ferrarri
9) MR. BURNS
10) VOLDEMORT
11) NURSE RATCHET
12) Dr Fuentes
13) tie - Phil and Paul
15) NORMAN BATES