The Armstrong talking points

[Dallas_]

miracle boy in triathlon

In "The blurred lines of Livestrong - the spin bike sham" thread - post #550

CowboyTx introduced this link http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=2199

Scott Tinley talks about LA returning to triathlons.

How about this statement?
"The most famous triathlete in the world has not competed in almost 20 years?

I have a question. Is triathlon under the umbrella of WADA? If so, miracle boy may eventually have a related problem with USADA!

cheers

 

[DirtyWorks]

I have a question. Is triathlon under the umbrella of WADA? If so, miracle boy may eventually have a related problem with USADA!

cheers

I think the anecdotal evidence suggests USADA is meaningfully restrained in their duties. The SI article makes that clear to me. So, should WonderBoy return to wearing the mankini, he can dope at will. I'm not claiming he will. At this point in his athletic career, it's about phoning it in anyway. I am suggesting he can dope with no consequences.

 

[yourwelcome]

Well, as of now you can probably add 'testing system proven fallible' to that list. The details don't count in shaping public opinion, and in the big picture, AC just 'proved' that even a positive test by a good lab is suspect.

 

[Dallas_]

Armstrong retires again

http://www.wlwt.com/sports/26883459/detail.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_armstrong_retirement

Cant wait to hear from Paul Kimmage and Greg LeMond on this

cheers

 

[Aapjes]

Armstrong retires again

http://www.wlwt.com/sports/26883459/detail.html

Wow, finally the magic is revealed:

That's how Armstrong broke through nearly every barrier the sport had erected over a century and more - by leading with his chin. He spilled blood on the roads, came back from crashes and more than once, crossed the finish line of a stage race draped over his handlebars like a man hanging on for life instead of an unbreakable machine.

Too bad all those other cyclists just gave up after crashing or they just didn't want to suffer on the bike, while Lance just kept on going. That explains everything.

It's rather sad how easily these 'sports writers' can be deceived with a 'hard man' story.

 

[Oldman]

I think the anecdotal evidence suggests USADA is meaningfully restrained in their duties. The SI article makes that clear to me. So, should WonderBoy return to wearing the mankini, he can dope at will. I'm not claiming he will. At this point in his athletic career, it's about phoning it in anyway. I am suggesting he can dope with no consequences.

At this point he can get a legal prescription and do what he wants. That's until he takes out a license but even his addiction to the spotlight wouldn't cause him to be that stupid, would it?

 

[blackcat]

Recently there has been a flood of negative Armstrong stories. It can be entertaining to see that as soon as a story is on the internet the comments section of these stories are flooded with the same Pro-Armstrong talking points.

Wasting taxpayer money
Never tested positive
Done a lot of good
Witch hunt

If you only read one story you hardly notice it, but if you read multiple you find that you see the same talking points over and over, almost as if their comments are scripted.....that is because they are.

BazaarVoice

BazaarVoice is a company that specializes in creating fake public opinion in an effort to shape opinion. Lance, Radioshack, Trek and the Foundation are all in the process of shifting to using Bazaarvoice instead of Public Strategies. They tried them out already through Oakley and found they can deliver a wide and subversive presence more naturally than Public Strategies.

So what is BazaarVoice's connection to Armstrong? Austin Ventures is a primary investor in Bazaarvoice. Chris Pacitti, GM Austin Ventures, is on the Board at Bazaarvoice. Mike Dodd is from Austin Ventures and is an "Advisor"

Austin Ventures? A venture fund founded by Joe Aragona, Livestrong board member and close friend of Armstrong. Here he is for his 50th birthday ride up Apl d'Huez....with Och, Armstrong, and Jeff Garvey

this is where Ed Bernays caused capitalism to invert and destroy itself from the inside.

 

[Yeahright]

Wow, finally the magic is revealed:



Too bad all those other cyclists just gave up after crashing or they just didn't want to suffer on the bike, while Lance just kept on going. That explains everything.

It's rather sad how easily these 'sports writers' can be deceived with a 'hard man' story.

Well to be fair he was a hard man, dope or no dope and he won some great stages. Personally I used to like watching him smash guys in the Tour. But life moves on and there are new guys to follow.

 

[veganrob]

Well to be fair he was a hard man, dope or no dope and he won some great stages. Personally I used to like watching him smash guys in the Tour. But life moves on and there are new guys to follow.

Lot easier to be a "hard man" when you're loaded with the *** he was on.

 

[Benotti69]

Lot easier to be a "hard man" when you're loaded with the *** he was on.

and when you are backed up by 8 others guys loaded on the same shít too

let's move on when he gets tried and done for it and that will let the new guys know that they will get done too

 

[filipo]

Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Is More Advanced and More Automated Than You Might Think

After I last wrote about online astroturfing, in December, I was contacted by a whistleblower. He was part of a commercial team employed to infest internet forums and comment threads on behalf of corporate clients, promoting their causes and arguing with anyone who opposed them. Like the other members of the team, he posed as a disinterested member of the public. Or, to be more accurate, as a crowd of disinterested members of the public: he used 70 personas, both to avoid detection and to create the impression that there was widespread support for his pro-corporate arguments.

 

[Race Radio]

Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Is More Advanced and More Automated Than You Might Think

Of course the talking it that any mention of "Astroturfing" is just tin foil hat talk invented by haters. People are even being paid $40 to call into radio shows

 

[blackcat]

Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Is More Advanced and More Automated Than You Might Think

After I last wrote about online astroturfing, in December, I was contacted by a whistleblower. He was part of a commercial team employed to infest internet forums and comment threads on behalf of corporate clients, promoting their causes and arguing with anyone who opposed them. Like the other members of the team, he posed as a disinterested member of the public. Or, to be more accurate, as a crowd of disinterested members of the public: he used 70 personas, both to avoid detection and to create the impression that there was widespread support for his pro-corporate arguments.

one of our esteemed colleagues most famous line: "We can all agree on that"

 

[blackcat]

so now we got a Republican rep of Congress from Georgia adopiting the tps and so is the chairwoman of the FDA

oh nos.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...gation-of-armstrong-doping-allegations_163459

“If he has broken the law, then that is a serious matter,” <quite frankly Kingston that is bull$hit u and I know it, u are outrageously adopting his talking points here Kingston said. “But it almost appears to me that there’s a little adventurism going on here; that Mr. Novitsky is operating on his own.

“I would like to know how much has been spent on this investigation and why so much has been spent.”

Margaret Hamburg, commissioner of the FDA, said her agency is looking into Novitzky’s investigation and would provide information on how much the probe is costing.

fraudulent politicos, lock em up. How are they constituents' representatives, serve the people my azzzzzzzzz

 

[flicker]

so now we got a Republican rep of Congress from Georgia adopiting the tps and so is the chairwoman of the FDA

oh nos.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...gation-of-armstrong-doping-allegations_163459




fraudulent politicos, lock em up. How are they constituents' representatives, serve the people my azzzzzzzzz

If Novizky can drag cycling into the depths of the cesspit named the clinic, hey Jeff, Mission Accomplished.

The clinic people, get real it is all about amateur sport.

 

[blackcat]

eh Flickr and Polish, would Public Strategies or Bazaar Voice pay me 7 bucks an hour minimum wage, or is it easier (see:cheaper) getting an Indian student in Bangalore to do it,

 

[Race Radio]

one of our esteemed colleagues most famous line: "We can all agree on that"

Some of the comments on that article are interesting. One of the best talks about how many of the Astroturfed comments start with "I am a loyal Democrat/Republican but..."

How many times do we see someone say " I believe Armstrong doped but..." followed by the talking points.

 

[Merckx index]

Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Is More Advanced and More Automated Than You Might Think

Software like this has the potential to destroy the internet as a forum for constructive debate. It makes a mockery of online democracy. Comment threads on issues with major commercial implications are already being wrecked by what look like armies of organised trolls

The things you can learn on a bike forum. Thanks for this link. I don't know why I'm surprised, though. Given the technology, of course people are going to do it.

 

[blackcat]

RR, we have seen that about as many times as Armstrong doped, 1000's, definitley more than the circa 100 times he was drug tested in his life.

 

[Ferminal]

Some of the comments on that article are interesting. One of the best talks about how many of the Astroturfed comments start with "I am a loyal Democrat/Republican but..."

How many times do we see someone say " I believe Armstrong doped but..." followed by the talking points.

"I'm not racist but..."

Such a flawed way of describing your opinion. You open with some sort of qualification that your point of view is objective and fair then go on to completely contradict that opening.

 

[D-Queued]

Some of the comments on that article are interesting. One of the best talks about how many of the Astroturfed comments start with "I am a loyal Democrat/Republican but..."

How many times do we see someone say " I believe Armstrong doped but..." followed by the talking points.

Back before the Internet bust, Enron, Sarbanes Oxley, and the mortgage crisis, there was plenty of (mis)information decimination training in boiler rooms and stock chat rooms. Crazy times, with blu****e piled high.

Those guys still need to put food on the table, and probably have never heard about cancer before.

Dave.

Edit to add:

There was so much chat room stock promotion (and short seller hype) that this type of guideline was adopted and actively promoted by at least one stock exchange at the time:

An issuer should prohibit its employees from participating in Internet chat rooms or newsgroups in discussions relating to the issuer or its securities ... An issuer is not expected to monitor chat rooms or news groups for rumours about itself ... recommends against an issuer participating on a chat room or newsgroup to dispel or clarify a rumour as such action may give rise to selective disclosure concerns and may create the expectation that the issuer will always respond ... If an issuer becomes aware of a rumour on a chat room, newsgroup or any other source that may have a material impact on the price of its stock, it should immediately contact Surveillance ...

 

[MacRoadie]

so now we got a Republican rep of Congress from Georgia adopiting the tps and so is the chairwoman of the FDA

I really don't see her adopting anything other than a very politically correct answer to a request by a member of congress. What else can she say?

The congressman is trying to raise a stink, so Ms. Hamburg's office is "looking into it"...which is total horse ****. This is a high profile case and for sure it's on her radar. This along with the Bonds matter. She knows EXACTLY what is going on and could probably give the answer down to the penny off the top of her head.

Her response is the classic beltway deflection of "looking into it" which can also be very easily translated into "Congressman, don't plan on getting an answer any time soon".

As the article very clearly states, this is beyond simply the purview of the FDA. DOJ, the USPS, the FBI, and a few more agencies are all in on this now.

Sounds like Fabriani went down the congressional roll until he found someone who owed him a solid, and was willing to ***** himself over this.

 

[Yeahright]

Lot easier to be a "hard man" when you're loaded with the *** he was on.

I wouldn't say that. Being a hard man doesn't come from what you put into your body, it comes from mental attitude. From the standpoint that all his main competitors were also loaded with "****" as you put it, it still doesn't take away from the fact that he raced tough. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts.

 

[veganrob]

Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Is More Advanced and More Automated Than You Might Think

Interesting aside. HBGaryFederal is the company that Anonymous,Wikileaks support group, hacked into big time and brought down causing CEO to resign. Gives you an idea of the low life scum at HBGF and what they do.

 

[veganrob]

I wouldn't say that. Being a hard man doesn't come from what you put into your body, it comes from mental attitude. From the standpoint that all his main competitors were also loaded with "****" as you put it, it still doesn't take away from the fact that he raced tough. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts.

Is that right? How about alcohol fueling ones courage? Same thing. LA had an artificial body and therefore an artificial mind. I'm not saying he wasn't an elite athlete before PED's, but the drugs made him what he was which was far more than reality. Hard to dispute that .