The Armstrong talking points

[Race Radio]

RR, when did Public Strategies troll this silly PowerPoint onto the CN Clinic.

Can you supply the link?

Gosh, the CN Clinic must have been the first place they released said doc huh?

Here you are. It was before the Clinic existed
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/media/en/Trek_PPT_FINAL.pdf

 

[Dallas_]

Armstrong talking point

Here you are. It was before the Clinic existed
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/media/en/Trek_PPT_FINAL.pdf

The way I see it, if Greg had upheld the omerta all along, his Lemond bike business would be booming now. The link of miracle boy-Trek-Lemond bikes stands out like dogs nuts. I hope Novitzky presents a felony leading LA all the way to 'the big house'.

BTW, has the USA media said anything of substance lately regarding LA's investigation?

cheers

 

[BroDeal]

The way I see it, if Greg had upheld the omerta all along, his Lemond bike business would be booming now.

I don't think so. Trek originally bought several brands so that they could fill bike shops with Trek made bikes without everything being labeled Trek, giving the consumer a false appearance of choice. Trek's brand value increased with the success of Armstrong. The multiple brands strategy was abandoned, and Trek got rid of Klein, Gary Fisher, and Lemond.

 

[Race Radio]

BTW, has the USA media said anything of substance lately regarding LA's investigation?

cheers

Wonderboy has been working hard to try to find some sympathetic media to spew his lie, but that is getting harder and harder. When the WSJ ran a series of in depth stories about Landis and the Armstrong fraud Wonderboy courted the WSJ's competition Bloomberg. This backfired after the first story that they fed them, that Armstrong was the cause of the increase in revenue for the Tour, turned out to be false.

Lately they have been cozy with Pete Yost in an attempt to spin the story. Educated fans will easily pick it apart while the groupies grasp it in an attempt to drag out the myth a few more days.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Wonderboy has been working hard to try to find some sympathetic media to spew his lie, but that is getting harder and harder. When the WSJ ran a series of in depth stories about Landis and the Armstrong fraud Wonderboy courted the WSJ's competition Bloomberg. This backfired after the first story that they fed them, that Armstrong was the cause of the increase in revenue for the Tour, turned out to be false.

Lately they have been cozy with Pete Yost in an attempt to spin the story. Educated fans will easily pick it apart while the groupies grasp it in an attempt to drag out the myth a few more days.

I just posted over on the "Media contributing to the Armstrong Lies".

New article out, clearly a spin move for the Armstrong folks. It is weak sauce, even brining in the 2001/2002 Tour de Suisse "confusion"... It is like a series of items straight from the LA Playbook. Weak sauce.

I am attempting to de-construct the story. I started with a "re-write" of the first paragraph. Kick in on the next one.

 

[Oldman]

I don't think so. Trek originally bought several brands so that they could fill bike shops with Trek made bikes without everything being labeled Trek, giving the consumer a false appearance of choice. Trek's brand value increased with the success of Armstrong. The multiple brands strategy was abandoned, and Trek got rid of Klein, Gary Fisher, and Lemond.

Ah, the Budweiser strategy. No wonder they have Armstrong representing their Ultra line of seldom consumed beer. Armstrong will soon feel Lemond'd when some fat golfer begins to represent that brand.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Ah, the Budweiser strategy. No wonder they have Armstrong representing their Ultra line of seldom consumed beer. Armstrong will soon feel Lemond'd when some fat golfer begins to represent that brand.

I think this will not come to pass.

To my thinking, Lance will be dropped as a result of the "going nowhere" investigation and subsequent indictment before any fat golfer usurps him.

Time will tell.

 

[Digger]

Dr and Granville have it well covered so I couldn't possibly improve on their posts.
However the comments at the end yet again show the value of a PR machine for soundbites. Look at the amount of people who spoke of 'witch hunt' and 'wasting taxpayers money'.

 

[Benotti69]

I think this will not come to pass.

To my thinking, Lance will be dropped as a result of the "going nowhere" investigation and subsequent indictment before any fat golfer usurps him.

Time will tell.

even though he has a stake/ownership in twrek?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

even though he has a stake/ownership in twrek?

Investors/Owners can be bought out of their stakes.

If your choice was to permit the continued ownership (even a minority share) by a felon, or purchase back their share, I would think most private companies would buy back.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Something that strikes me about this.

There were some SF based journalists who were always attacking the Conte/Bonds investigation. I recall that the Uniballer mentioned he'd been chatting to Conte's lawyers - so maybe they gave him some tips on some friendly local journalists.

 

[flicker]

I think this will not come to pass.

To my thinking, Lance will be dropped as a result of the "going nowhere" investigation and subsequent indictment before any fat golfer usurps him.

Time will tell.

Let me share this tidbit on Lance.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/feb/12/no-imminent-decision-in-armstrong-drug-probe/

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Let me share this tidbit on Lance.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/feb/12/no-imminent-decision-in-armstrong-drug-probe/

Golly shucks, I guess it was much ado about nothing. Thanks for keeping us updated. Texas breathes a collective sigh of relief tonight.

 

[Oldman]

Let me share this tidbit on Lance.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/feb/12/no-imminent-decision-in-armstrong-drug-probe/

And even you think this is amusing don't you? This reads like it was written at Lance's kitchen table. Why else would someone report no news?

 

[flicker]

And even you think this is amusing don't you? This reads like it was written at Lance's kitchen table. Why else would someone report no news?

No not amusing, just the way the judicial system works. It is not a system set for the vindication of others. All in good time justice shall be served. I think Armstrong and Bruyneel are clean. I have the right to my opinion.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

No not amusing, just the way the judicial system works. It is not a system set for the vindication of others. All in good time justice shall be served. I think Armstrong and Bruyneel are clean. I have the right to my opinion.

Armstrong and Bruyneel are "clean" in the same way Sadaam Hussein had WMD's: perhaps long ago and in a temporary sort of way.

Good luck with you world-view. I am quite sure you are used to disappointments by now.

 

[flicker]

You know not everyone gets along with their exs'

I have always loved Lance and Kristen, they are truly inspiring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm35dhgPO58&NR=1

 

[sartain]

You know not everyone gets along with their exs'

I have always loved Lance and Kristen, they are truly inspiring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm35dhgPO58&NR=1

They do when it is their main source of income.

 

[warmfuzzies]

US taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is being spent investigating Armstrong. The case against Al Capone for tax-evasion moved faster than this. Novitsky better find something and quick. With the US deficit issues, this is a terrible way to spend money. Far better to give it to struggling families.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

US taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is being spent investigating Armstrong. The case against Al Capone for tax-evasion moved faster than this. Novitsky better find something and quick. With the US deficit issues, this is a terrible way to spend money. Far better to give it to struggling families.

Yeah, because the tax-payer funded buy-outs for the banks and the car-industry (well into the trillions), should be ignored so you can p*ss about a few million dollars.

By the way, didn't a few of the heads of those above-mentioned realms get multi-million dollar bonuses? I'm pretty sure that's a given.

If you don't want this to be your fight, you don't have to pick it.

You can always just go away...

 

[Race Radio]

US taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is being spent investigating Armstrong. The case against Al Capone for tax-evasion moved faster than this. Novitsky better find something and quick. With the US deficit issues, this is a terrible way to spend money. Far better to give it to struggling families.

The case against Capone took 5 years.

If the Armstrong case was moving any faster the talking point would be "Rush to judgement"

 

[Oldman]

The case against Capone took 5 years.

If the Armstrong case was moving any faster the talking point would be "Rush to judgement"

Which is why almost no one associated with Armstrong is suggesting that events are occurring too fast and should be investigated fully. A defendant complaining about the cost of the investigation is.... a really stupid defense.

 

[Polish]

The case against Capone took 5 years.

If the Armstrong case was moving any faster the talking point would be "Rush to judgement"

5 years yawn.

The case against Lance has been going on for DOUBLE that and more.
SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD SSDD.

Bordy and Pound have come and gone. History. Fail.

SuperBowl has come and gone....
So has Valentines day.
The latest SI article indicates indictments might not come before Saint Patricks Day either......

The reports of an impending indictment led Armstrong's lawyers to reach out to the U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles. Over the past month and a half, that office has assured Armstrong's legal team that no decision on whether to indict is imminent, according to the lawyers. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal probe is continuing.

In line with Justice Department policy, Armstrong's lawyers will get time to argue privately against indictment if the government decides to move toward charging their client, three of the lawyers said.

The only certainty is that it will be quite a while before the Armstrong probe ends.

Of course, SI could be wrong.
Would not be the first time yikes.

 

[Dallas_]

money well spent

US taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is being spent investigating Armstrong.

You may rest assured warmfuzzies, knowing that the end result will well and truly justify all money spent.

One has to be very wary of the motives of people not wanting the truth revealed. What do criminals do constantly? -> deny, deny

Keep digging Novitzky.

cheers

 

[Hugh Januss]

US taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is being spent investigating Armstrong. The case against Al Capone for tax-evasion moved faster than this. Novitsky better find something and quick. With the US deficit issues, this is a terrible way to spend money. Far better to give it to struggling families.

I would rather know how much of my money is being used to bust people for growing pot in their backyards.