The Article: WSJ - reopened!

[perico]

What I find a bit interesting is the fact that US Postal was known to go to strip clubs long before this came out, and people are acting like it's a new item. Of course, the cocaine angle has never been out there, but it was mentioned in Coyle's Lance Armstrong's War that the team would from time to time enjoy the company of those whose occupation is removing their clothes.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

What I find a bit interesting is the fact that US Postal was known to go to strip clubs long before this came out, and people are acting like it's a new item. Of course, the cocaine angle has never been out there, but it was mentioned in Coyle's Lance Armstrong's War that the team would from time to time enjoy the company of those whose occupation is removing their clothes.

maybe this is why betsy is so up in arms

 

[Benotti69]

I take it that there maybe a few journalists chatting here. It is out of curiosity I ask, how much can a controversial figure like Landis command from an interview with WSJ? If this was a one day interview with one sitting, what's a typical $/hr amount? It is interesting that no one asked this yet.

nothing.

Not every article in a newspaper has to paid for someone to speak. Only celebrities command fees and that tends to be for exclusives.

Landis will, probably based on advice from his 'people', have selected who to talk to on the basis that they will report it word for word rather than listen to what he says and then 'tweak' (rewrite) it to suit their ideas, needs and sell papers..

 

[CycloErgoSum]

I take it that there maybe a few journalists chatting here. It is out of curiosity I ask, how much can a controversial figure like Landis command from an interview with WSJ? If this was a one day interview with one sitting, what's a typical $/hr amount? It is interesting that no one asked this yet.

It doesn't really work like that. Floyd's people might suggest a figure based on what his story's worth, whilst WSJ might counter with an offer for what the story is worth to them.

It is a good question, but I'm not sure if there was money involved nor if WSJ does this kind of thing - it's mostly a tabloid tactic. Landis may have other motivations for keeping the story in the news, so too the feds as consciousness-raising among prospective interviewees.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

i'm still not a floyd landis cheerleader but his admissions are much more than vendetta. he has attempted to clear his conscious and has provided helpful information to antidoping and legal authorities. there's really no way for him to come clean without injuring someone like LA. the part of his story the wsj cares about involves LA's celebrity because they want to sell papers and advertising. maintstream newsmedia doesn't care about the specifics of EPO microdosing protocol.

but who is the bigger fool?

those who say he came clean out of moral concience or those that don't think he would still be doping and racing in the tour this year if he had NOT been caught?

I think we all know the answer here

 

[lean mean &green]

I take it that there maybe a few journalists chatting here. It is out of curiosity I ask, how much can a controversial figure like Landis command from an interview with WSJ? If this was a one day interview with one sitting, what's a typical $/hr amount? It is interesting that no one asked this yet.

1 mortgage payment on a unabomber cabin?

i do feel like if floyd decides to write a tell-all book he should donate profits equal to the donations he accepted for his fraudulent defense to charity. ideally he should repay those donations but i doubt there's an easy way to do that.

EDIT: i did not contribute to his defense or buy his book.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

It doesn't really work like that. Floyd's people might suggest a figure based on what his story's worth, whilst WSJ might counter with an offer for what the story is worth to them.

It is a good question, but I'm not sure if there was money involved nor if WSJ does this kind of thing - it's mostly a tabloid tactic. Landis may have other motivations for keeping the story in the news, so too the feds as consciousness-raising among prospective interviewees.

Floyd's "people" are just as big as dirt bag as he is..........

can you not see the hypocrisy of it all?

 

[CycloErgoSum]

but who is the bigger fool?

those who say he came clean out of moral concience or those that don't think he would still be doping and racing in the tour this year if he had NOT been caught?

I think we all know the answer here

To be sure, Landis is pretty basic morally; no one with any class goes on the record praising someone for being 'bad a$$'.

To take the long view, he's the turncoat that might effect change in a dirty, corrupt sport. It's always the way. If you've been waiting for Atticus Finch you can snap out of it now.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

but who is the bigger fool?

those who say he came clean out of moral concience or those that don't think he would still be doping and racing in the tour this year if he had NOT been caught?

I think we all know the answer here

Didn't you just write a few posts back that you have NO PROBLEM with whistleblowers?

So - how do you do that? Do you expect people to admit to their doping while still riding..... if so was does Lance continue his denial?

 

[BroDeal]

not to justify anything but giving hope to dying people is better in my book than lying to your mother.......just my .02 for what it's worth

He is not lying to people with terminal disease to give them hope. He is doing to make money and to stroke his ego. He is a despicable excuse for a human being. At least Madoff just stole from the rich.

 

[Anonymous]

can't you afford tivo?

No, my looming law school debt makes me pinch pennies so hard I have a permanent impression of Lincoln on my thumb and his memorial on the side of my index finger.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Didn't you just write a few posts back that you have NO PROBLEM with whistleblowers?

So - how do you do that? Do you expect people to admit to their doping while still riding..... if so was does Lance continue his denial?

reading comprehension...........not your strong point

go read it again

after you understood completely what I wrote , I might answer your question

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

He is not lying to people with terminal disease to give them hope. He is doing to make money and to stroke his ego. He is a despicable excuse for a human being. At least Madoff just stole from the rich.

did Madoff lie to his mommie too?

oh the humanity of the clinic

 

[lean mean &green]

did Madoff lie to his mommie too?

oh the humanity of the clinic

no one is calling landis a saint.

whether landis or armstrong is a the bigger scumbag is irrelevant. landis has been disgraced and has served his suspension. now it's armstrong's turn. let's move on.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

reading comprehension...........not your strong point

go read it again

after you understood completely what I wrote , I might answer your question

Perhaps you're right, maybe I am slow.

So far you have said - you want a "clean" sport, yet acknowledge that "everyone" knows "everyone is doing it" (clarified to about 185 riders), you have "NO PROBLEM" with whistleblowers - except when they tell the full truth.

You think its ok for Lance to deny something that "everyone knows everyone is doing" - yet Floyd who tells us what "everyone knows everyone is doing" is now a "dirtbag"?

Please share your wisdom so I am not slow any more.

 

[velosopher54]

Time to put WGR and R on ignore. Nothing to see there. And he sure knows how to put out the troll bait and too many people biting.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

did Madoff lie to his mommie too?

oh the humanity of the clinic

Your posts show a pattern wavering between idealism and cynicism. Which makes sense, as a cycnic is an embittered idealist. Opps...bitter...there goes that word again.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Your posts show a pattern wavering between idealism and cynicism. Which makes sense, as a cycnic is an embittered idealist. Opps...bitter...there goes that word again.

finally someone get's it..........

now for the slow ones

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Time to put WGR and R on ignore. Nothing to see there. And he sure knows how to put out the troll bait and too many people biting.

good advice

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Time to put WGR and R on ignore. Nothing to see there. And he sure knows how to put out the troll bait and too many people biting.

I don't believe they are 'trolling' - it is not what Landis has said that upsets them, it is who he said it about.

But as they appear not to be able to admit that - I will stop now.

 

[Siriuscat]

Floyd's "people" are just as big as dirt bag as he is..........

can you not see the hypocrisy of it all?

No too busy digging my way through the Armstrong/Bruyneel/McQuaid hypocrasy......

 

[Desperate Moments]

I take it that there maybe a few journalists chatting here. It is out of curiosity I ask, how much can a controversial figure like Landis command from an interview with WSJ? If this was a one day interview with one sitting, what's a typical $/hr amount? It is interesting that no one asked this yet.

The Wall Street Journal--even under Murdoch's stewardship--does NOT pay its sources. Ever.

What I find interesting, though, is the timing of both WSJ Landis stories. Murdoch, as the indirect owner of a professional cycling team, has way more interest in professional cycling than probably any other major newspaper publisher. I suspect he is driving the paper's coverage himself, to gin up U.S. interest in the sport (among the WSJ's rather upscale readership), and perhaps incidentally to portray his own team as being clean, by contrast.

 

[eleven]

And that is?

THe other 187 currently riding in the Tour De France. Ask one of them if he is doping and see if they'll admit it.

 

[BroDeal]

Time to put WGR and R on ignore. Nothing to see there. And he sure knows how to put out the troll bait and too many people biting.

Definitely a troll. He is using the usual BPC tactic of crap flooding a thread by posting so much to it that it becomes worthless. I'll start ignoring him.

 

[stephens]

I'm puzzled by the vitriol posted here about Lance's work in the cancer world.
I have unfortunately been very effected by cancer in my lifetime and all the people I've met like me would rate Livestrong and Lance as having positive effects on cancer and I believe they would all continue to believe so even if we showed them irrefutable proof that he was blood doped for his entire career.

I suspect he really does care at least a little, but even if he didn't give a **** about cancer patients and was in it all for himself, I think most people in that world would still feel the spotlight he's put on it and the increased funding and the change in attitude has been beneficial.

So I think it'd be best if we just separate that stuff from the cycling stuff and stick to the case against him as a doper.