The Article: WSJ - reopened!

[Colm.Murphy]

You need to find a new pub. Or at least find one that has staff that can recognize the sound of the Guinness keg just before it expires.

All pub stuff aside, have to agree that the article is a bit fluff, but some news organisations these days will go with style over substance.

Amen. It takes time to find the perfect pour. I highly recommend Dublin as a starting place for those starting their journey.

 

[Lances_Closet]

yah right that oprah thing is so fake

“Quite frankly, I think the most doping in the sport happened during one of the years where there were no scandals and everybody thought everything was hunky-dory,” Vaughters told the New York Times from Spain last week. “When there’s a scandal, that’s actually when things are being solved.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...will-be-fruitful-two-implicated-speak-up.aspx

 

[Bicicleta]

Pual Ratts popped up and said this is lances last tour as a "rider"

Just picture him and Hinault on the podium each with the stage winners....

 

[Colm.Murphy]

“Quite frankly, I think the most doping in the sport happened during one of the years where there were no scandals and everybody thought everything was hunky-dory,” Vaughters told the New York Times from Spain last week. “When there’s a scandal, that’s actually when things are being solved.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...will-be-fruitful-two-implicated-speak-up.aspx

Soooo, that would be 2009?

 

[Bicicleta]

Amen. It takes time to find the perfect pour. I highly recommend Dublin as a starting place for those starting their journey.

Do they serve Michelob Ultra there?

 

[Anonymous]

BMC Racing's president Jim Ochowicz, along with sports director John Lelangue and team owner Andy Rihs have been implicated by Landis. Ochowicz, who is responsible for bringing the first American team to the Tour de France, said he has nothing to worry about.

“It has no effect on me whatsoever,” he said from the team's European headquarters in Belgium, adding that the claims are simply untrue, unfounded and unproven.

thats what makes me think george isnt one of the snitch's.. Would george go against his current employer?

 

[Lances_Closet]

Soooo, that would be 2009?

No. He actually meant "years" not year.

Also ref to today's article. Phonak. Systematic doping. That we didn't know. Or we knew but it was confirmed today. Hamilton was the racketeer of sorts.

 

[Publicus]

Ah I see. I thought we knew that that was going on anyway. Can't really see what the article is gonna reveal. Are the feds big on giving away details of their investigations usually?

The points that jumped out at me were WADA's belief that the investigation would be fruitful, that at least two of the folks implicated by Landis have spoken honestly (and give the distinction implication that they have corroborated some part of his statement) and that the principal targets are very much in the dark and still maintaining their innocence.

Seems to me this article (and whatever else comes out (if at all) in the WSJ piece) is designed to ramp up the pressure on others to cooperate while there is still time (2 riders are at the Tour even after admitting doping seems like they are getting some kind of amnesty). A great deal of conjecture on my part, but I don't think anything unreasonable.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Amen. It takes time to find the perfect pour. I highly recommend Dublin as a starting place for those starting their journey.

Most of the time I am there I stay in Wicklow (family still there) and there is a great pub on the main street - can't remember the name but I can walk there and back. Unfortunately, that establishment's enforcement of the no smoking edicts tends to be ignored when the weather is Irish.

 

[carl spackler]

I dont really see why people get so excited about two riders claiming to have been honest. What are they supposed to say "yeah, i just lied to the investigators" No matter what they say, they will claim it was honest.

I am with Publicus on the issue of the purpose of the article in part to appeal to riders to cooperate though, especially when you think about this:

Nearly all the people who have admitted to crimes and cooperated with Novitzky have avoided prison time. Only those athletes thought to have lied under oath have been charged.

seems almost like a direct appeal to me.

as to the claims of "honesty," can someone enlighten me as to why that is such a big deal?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Interesting that the two guys who have allegedly cooperated asked to remain anonymous until after the Tour. My guess is that one of those guys is Zabriskie.

 

[Anonymous]

You need to find a new pub. Or at least find one that has staff that can recognize the sound of the Guinness keg just before it expires.

All pub stuff aside, have to agree that the article is a bit fluff, but some news organisations these days will go with style over substance.

Fluff, style over substance...you seem very familiar with these topics...

 

[Publicus]

I dont really see why people get so excited about two riders claiming to have been honest. What are they supposed to say "yeah, i just lied to the investigators" No matter what they say, they will claim it was honest.

I am with Publicus on the issue of the purpose of the article in part to appeal to riders to cooperate though, especially when you think about this:



seems almost like a direct appeal to me.

as to the claims of "honesty," can someone enlighten me as to why that is such a big deal?

Speaking for myself, it's the fact that they are worried about reprisals from members of the peloton. If they responded by saying that it was bull$hit they could make a public statement to that effect without fear of reprisal. At least that's my reasoning. They could obviously be bull$hitting the press and the Feds to protect themselves from perjury charges, but my initial reasoning seems more sound to me.

 

[elizab]

thats what makes me think george isnt one of the snitch's.. Would george go against his current employer?

Calling someone a "snitch" because they've chosen to tell the truth to the authorities in order to avoid possible jail time doesn't quite fit the bill.

 

[buckwheat]

as to the claims of "honesty," can someone enlighten me as to why that is such a big deal?

By being honest they weren't spouting the the Pharmstrong lines.

They confirmed what everyone knows.

Bottom line, the walls are closing in on an icon.

Probably a big deal to the fanboys who will be crushed and will be crying that their hero betrayed them.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Fluff, style over substance...you seem very familiar with these topics...

I thought we had an agreement regarding flaming.

 

[Race Radio]

Interesting that the two guys who have allegedly cooperated asked to remain anonymous until after the Tour. My guess is that one of those guys is Zabriskie.

Or Levi.....or Lim.

Come on Lim, man up.

 

[buckwheat]

Calling someone a "snitch" because they've chosen to tell the truth to the authorities in order to avoid possible jail time doesn't quite fit the bill.

But it does reflect the upside down, Alice in Wonderland morality of Pro cycling and its many delusional devotees.

 

[Anonymous]

Calling someone a "snitch" because they've chosen to tell the truth to the authorities in order to avoid possible jail time doesn't quite fit the bill.

sorry, bad choice of word, perhaps it means less over here than in the us where i understand it has more serious/mafia related reference.

 

[Anonymous]

sorry, bad choice of word, perhaps it means less over here than in the us where i understand it has more serious/mafia related reference.

Dim, you pulling an 'all nighter'?

 

[luckyboy]

Yeah, I thought you were going to bed?

I'm off now anyway.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Or Levi.....

Bidon will never rat on Lance. Never.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Most of the time I am there I stay in Wicklow (family still there) and there is a great pub on the main street - can't remember the name but I can walk there and back. Unfortunately, that establishment's enforcement of the no smoking edicts tends to be ignored when the weather is Irish.

All of my early stage drinks came in Limerick, as Shannon is a wee bit of a place and my Mum knew of my intentions. So, one short car glide away and we'd imbibe at Anacotty's or The Locke Bar, both busy paces where a tall (but young) fella could raise his hand from afar and be served from a distance in the dim light. .

Not much time about Wicklow. New Ritz in the area is supposed to be quite the affair.

 

[Anonymous]

Dim, you pulling an 'all nighter'?

went to bed at about 3, 2 hours later still not got to sleep, was just dropping off at five when the wifes alarm went off. Joys of insomnia. So now I am up having a bite to eat so I can take my meds, then i will go to sleep and wake up about 12, if i take them at 12 when i wake up I will be screwed all afternoon :/ Joy!

 

[buckwheat]

sorry, bad choice of word, perhaps it means less over here than in the us where i understand it has more serious/mafia related reference.

Not a bad choice at all. A perfect reflection of the feelings of heartbroken armstrong fans who buy into the "never tested positive" parsing crap.