The Article: WSJ - reopened!

[Mrs John Murphy]

Well it looks like Armstrong and his friends in the media are doing their best to sweep it under the carpet. Amazing to look at a lot of mainstream media sites (yahoo etc) which are not reporting this at all.

Once again the media fails to do its job to hold cycling to account.

 

[Cloxxki]

Well it looks like Armstrong and his friends in the media are doing their best to sweep it under the carpet. Amazing to look at a lot of mainstream media sites (yahoo etc) which are not reporting this at all.

Once again the media fails to do its job to hold cycling to account.

When did the mass media last call for proper investigation of the Truth? When did they last focus on actual reasons for actions of politicians, corps, etc?

I am surprised this is running in WSJ. Not that I know them well, but the street itself has little to do with truth.

 

[blackcat]

Wild idea: Could Landis be right, claiming that he had taken testosterone before TdF in ´06, but not during the race? Could the blood that he transfused on the day of rest have been the source for the testosterone?

First, if he transfused half a liter and his total blood volume is usually 5 liters then he put in 10% of the blood he had when he was using testosterone. Whatever was in his transfused blood would be diluted to 10% of its original value. He would have had to have been using a mega dose of testosterone.

Second, testing of FLandis' other TdF samples showed testosterone use throughout the Tour.

Some possibilities:

1) He could be lying about not using testosterone.
2) Something else he was taking contained a substance that tripped the testorone test.
3) Unbenownst to him, someone else was giving him testosterone.
4) The UCI set him up to damage the ASO, which the UCI was feuding with at the time.
5) The carbon isotope test is flawed and can produce false positives.

Testing positive while not knowingly taking testosterone does explain why he fought so hard and expended so much.

nah, Floyd is lying on the testo positive. The isotope test showed about 6 positives from him, he had been using patches all thru the Tour. He had it on too long, to trip the Epi to testo ratio. Ask Epicycle on this, he is about the best informed.

 

[blackcat]

It's hard to find anything in the article that comes across as a lie. Interesting is the claim that Bruyneel/Armstrong were the ones to facilitate Landis' first-ever doping offence. Perhaps his race results back up at least the timing of his claim. I for one was not aware of Landis until he dragged Lance over the mountains.

err. manifest dichotomy and contradiction in your first two sentences.

You think Landis was clean at Mercury Viatel. Landis is being either very short with the truth, or he has amnesia. Come on, PEter Van Petegem, Leon Van Bon (who ****ed in his knicks when he won Philly to manipulate doping control) Baden Cooke. Who else was on MV? Anyway, he was not clean there, guarantee it. So alot in Landis "open book + transparency" is bull$hit imo.

 

[Cloxxki]

err. manifest dichotomy and contradiction in your first two sentences.

You think Landis was clean at Mercury Viatel. Landis is being either very short with the truth, or he has amnesia. Come on, PEter Van Petegem, Leon Van Bon (who ****ed in his knicks when he won Philly to manipulate doping control) Baden Cooke. Who else was on MV? Anyway, he was not clean there, guarantee it. So alot in Landis "open book + transparency" is bull$hit imo.

I meant to offer that as the thing that stands out as most questionnable.
Fact that Landis seems to hold to (his) facts, rather than incriminate to the max, offers it some credibility in my book. Just less than the rest of it.
I see no reason to start being a superpro when joining a new team, when before you were already doped. Just the magical training regime and can-do American attitude? Come on...

 

[Trousers O'bongo]

So Floyd didn't start using PEDs until after coming second to LA in the 2002 Dauphine?

Now that's some proper bad-bottomed cycling talent.

And it doesn't say hookers, just strippers.

Anyone seen the print version?
What's the time on Wall Street anyway?
Can someone pop down and get a copy?

 

[Cloxxki]

So Floyd didn't start using PEDs until after coming second to LA in the 2002 Dauphine?

Now that's some proper bad-bottomed cycling talent.

And it doesn't say hookers, just strippers.

Anyone seen the print version?
What's the time on Wall Street anyway?
Can someone pop down and get a copy?

Who knows...?
Don't TdF riders take on Alpe climbs minutes faster than Dauphine riders, even if they bear the same name, in the same summer?

I'll admit that Landis don't enter my TV screen before he started flanking Armstrong.

At least, Landis doesn't accuse Armstrong/Bruyneel of forcing him to dope, now does he? He states he implicitly showed himself prepared to dope if that's would be what it would take.
At worst, Landis protests people who got him into doping earlier in his career.

 

[mektronic]

CNN World Sport just introduced the news as "false claims by Floyd Landis".

 

[fatandfast]

This was a pretty hard hitting piece. Lance ran some red lights back in Austin. A bunch of young guys went to places and party that had strippers and blow. Lance is a real scumbag just ask Clinger and Gerlach. Lance asked me to stay at his apt to watch his blood freezer...but when the people brought me my left over Landis blood they always acted casual like a fan wanting an autograph. Like the writer said it's full of details like how they cut up the bags with scissors and flushed them down the toilet.. all this stuff probably happened the fact it was 2001-3 and further that Floyd tried to throttle everybody from Lance himself to race promoters and directors trying to use his "secrets" as illegal tender to get jobs shows the value. No starts, no jobs. Bahati got banged for even knowing Landis. If Lance and his crew were gettin stuck in the early 90's that sucks wish he would have been caught by a real police force. The number of words in the WSJ article is funny. So many of them spent on how Lance got helicopter rides,nice apartments, unlimited bicycles, and complete organizational dedication to him winning..Floyd flogged himself in self pity..time to go back to the cabin Landis.

 

[Bicicleta]

Tax evasion. Tailwind and CAS are American companies. If they were selling goods for cash and not reporting the income, that's open and shut tax evasion.

Its going to be like Al Capone - they catch him for tax evasion not doping or fraud. Eliott Ness Notitsky is on the job.

 

[Tim_sleepless]

Its going to be like Al Capone - they catch him for tax evasion not doping or fraud. Eliott Ness Notitsky is on the job.

Not to mention running the stop signs. That's a $200 fine per infringment, and points on the license.

 

[Publicus]

Not to mention running the stop signs. That's a $200 fine per infringment, and points on the license.

That never happened remember? Landis is a liar. No credibility. Everything he says is a lie.

Stick with that one. Trying to pick and choose which allegations are worthy of a defense just confuses the matter. Everything is a lie.

 

[Tim_sleepless]

That never happened remember? Landis is a liar. No credibility. Everything he says is a lie.

Stick with that one. Trying to pick and choose which allegations are worthy of a defense just confuses the matter. Everything is a lie.

"We're a little confused, maybe just as confused as you guys. The timeline is off, year by year. I didn't own a black Chevrolet Suburban in 2004"

 

[scribe]

err. manifest dichotomy and contradiction in your first two sentences.

You think Landis was clean at Mercury Viatel. Landis is being either very short with the truth, or he has amnesia. Come on, PEter Van Petegem, Leon Van Bon (who ****ed in his knicks when he won Philly to manipulate doping control) Baden Cooke. Who else was on MV? Anyway, he was not clean there, guarantee it. So alot in Landis "open book + transparency" is bull$hit imo.

Great post.

 

[hrotha]

Phonak had a big budget and was all for their riders doping but they didn't have a systematic and properly-designed doping program? How lame is that?

 

[Publicus]

"We're a little confused, maybe just as confused as you guys. The timeline is off, year by year. I didn't own a black Chevrolet Suburban in 2004"

Better. Still, much easier if you just say he's a liar. No need to get into specifics. I bet his name isn't even Floyd.

 

[Serpico]

"Three other former U.S. Postal riders told the Journal in interviews that there was doping on the team during the time Mr. Armstrong was its lead rider, and one of them admitted that he himself had doped."

Some questions that come to mind:

1) What details did the three riders provide Novitzky?
Doubt the WSJ had access to that information.
The testimony would be sealed until a later date.

2) Will the other riders, when under oath, hold the "Omerta" party line knowing there have been some breaks in the ranks and the potential penalties of perjury?

 

[scribe]

"Three other former U.S. Postal riders told the Journal in interviews that there was doping on the team during the time Mr. Armstrong was its lead rider, and one of them admitted that he himself had doped."

Some questions that come to mind:

1) What details did the three riders provide Novitzky?
Doubt the WSJ had access to that information.
The testimony would be sealed until a later date.

2) Will the other riders, when under oath, hold the "Omerta" party line knowing there have been some breaks in the ranks and the potential penalties of perjury?

I read it as those claims were to wsj reporters and not necessarily the Feds. Which could possibly mean Frankie A admitted to doping and two other riders knowing that Frankie A was doping while on postal

 

[Rip:30]

as an aside to Uniballer's infidelity

when men take steroids it affects their sex drive, giving them an enormous desire. A canadian journalist did the illegal stuff to get toned with creatine and roids to build a body no too dissimilar to Uniballer, but a bit more muscular upper body. He was having to masturbate 3 times a day due to the roids...

Uniballer and Tiger's use of muscle enhancement explains their dog like thinking that anything in a skirt is a bïtcħ in heat.....

Standard operating procedure. Haha.

Also, there's more to it then just "strippers", as the WSJ article mentions. It's more full contact then just stripping in the version I heard.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Now it all makes sense. That scoundrel Frankie introduced doping to the morally pristine halls of the USPS pro cycling team.

 

[Publicus]

I read it as those claims were to wsj reporters and not necessarily the Feds. Which could possibly mean Frankie A admitted to doping and two other riders knowing that Frankie A was doping while on postal

I read it differently. I assume the riders are the same ones mentioned in the NY Times piece who have confirmed that they spoke with the Feds. As regards your speculation, as was previously noted by myself and others, Frankie's doping is public knowledge no reason to grant anonymity. Same goes for the two other riders: acknowledging that they knew Frankie doped isn't grounds for granting anonymity

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

While we know what the Uniballer thinks of the article what does Hincrapie have to say?

 

[Publicus]

Now it all makes sense. That scoundrel Frankie introduced doping to the morally pristine halls of the USPS pro cycling team.

No he, and apparently Landis, were the only ones doping. Thankfully they've been purged from the peloton.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Aside from now knowing why FLandis never had a time trial bike to train with, we may also know why Hincapie lost Paris-Roubaix.

Good point. It's true that Floyd was on an old bike in Paris-Nice and other races in early 2004. I remember photos in CycleSport/ProCycling showing him on an old OCLV 110/120 whilst Texarse and others had Madones. Recall that Heras used old models as well in the Vuelta. When asked by journalists, the team stated he 'preferred' them. A real advert for Trek, that.

NB. Glad I got rid of my Treks ages ago; it seems they might have known why their bikes were being sold.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

What time is it right now on the east coast? Anyone got a hard copy yet?