the "Bassons Incident"

[Anonymous]

Thanks for allowing me back in. Yes I'm not good with names - lots of awkard moments with mate's girlfriends down the years - but the substance of the points I make are sound, which irritates Dr. That's why he has demanded a link for remarks Chavanel made during the 2007 tour. Yes I shouldn't have risen to it - who cares if he thinks I am lying, its only a cycling forum - but what french team Chavanel was at doesn't effect my point about him wanting to leave French teams. What's more Doc throws out his own unsourced claim that Chavanel may have wanted to leave because of wanted a doping programme. Hypocritical.

As for the weather, it's true that it's warmer for longer in Spain than in France. The poster I was conversing with, Scott, didn't even know that it gets cold in France during the winter so he has no credibility. We don't know what factor altitude plays into the decision to move to Ginora either. (Taxes played into it as well one suspects)

I immediately remembered it was a French team member who was found positive for testosterone and put this in my post before I saw Dr rushing to contradict me . Again it doesn't effect the substance of the point since it was how the foreign teams were run that the French were complaining about, not individual riders. They were claiming their system of checks means the rider will think its not worth the risk. They were wrong, and there little sanctimonious protest backfired.

It's 10 nil to me against everybody.

Hi Lance, I'm still rolling around out here so if it's not too much to ask please refrain from the falsehoods. Thanks in advance.

 

[bianchigirl]

BPC, you're another Vader aren't you?

 

[Deagol]

I would say, as the one who first asked the question in this thread, that it's quite annoying to have it hi-jacked (just like the Betsy thread) by this BS. If BPC really is Lance, then Lance, you had better go back and repeat Jr High School English class. If BPC is just being paid by LA to refute anything on the internet that could be considered "anti-Lance" then Lance is NOT getting his money's worth. And the thrid choice that BPC is just a fanboy troll, the maybe the Arbiter should go back to playing Halo3 on his Xbox...

 

[pmcg76]

I would say, as the one who first asked the question in this thread, that it's quite annoying to have it hi-jacked (just like the Betsy thread) by this BS. If BPC really is Lance, then Lance, you had better go back and repeat Jr High School English class. If BPC is just being paid by LA to refute anything on the internet that could be considered "anti-Lance" then Lance is NOT getting his money's worth. And the thrid choice that BPC is just a fanboy troll, the maybe the Arbiter should go back to playing Halo3 on his Xbox...

BPC never allows logic or facts to stand in his way, since he joined this thread he has got into arguments about the weather in France and what Sylvain Chavanel did or didnt say, side issues, not 'the' issue. I dont think he has addressed the opening post yet. He also keeps focusing on Cofidis, the team which I pointed out in an early post were the exception in French teams. Have you seen him address the reason why very few guys on French teams(other than Cofidis) have been linked to doping in the last ten years, of course you havent because it is a question he cannot answer. Sit down, go through all ProTour teams and note positives or links with doping over the last 10 years and see which teams come up best. Its that simple, either the French are better at hiding doping and are still crap or they really are cleaner.

 

[Digger]

Ignore function guys..like many of the rest of us. We ignore, he gets no reactions. He goes away. Like he can say what he wants to me, and i won't see it. Happy days

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I would say, as the one who first asked the question in this thread, that it's quite annoying to have it hi-jacked (just like the Betsy thread) by this BS. If BPC really is Lance, then Lance, you had better go back and repeat Jr High School English class. If BPC is just being paid by LA to refute anything on the internet that could be considered "anti-Lance" then Lance is NOT getting his money's worth. And the thrid choice that BPC is just a fanboy troll, the maybe the Arbiter should go back to playing Halo3 on his Xbox...

BPC is definitley not Lance - LA is actually a pretty smart guy and I would assume Lance would know that he is 37 and not 38 as BPC claimed.

Nor do i believe BPC is paid by LA - or if they are I hope getting paid for their word count and not the content or accuracy of their claims.

While I should not feed a troll - I do believe it is necessary to correct their mistakes and to request links or backups - as their claims are specific and unfortunatley we cannot rely on their knowledge.

Deagol - have you any other questions regarding Bassons?
And apologies if I took your post off topic.

 

[scribe]

Anchors up boys. Lets get this going!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Since the former French winner of the Tour de France has confirmed what I was saying, I think I have pretty much won that debate.

I do hope you are not getting paid by Lance to participate on this forum - as he will not be impressed that you have decided to associate your position with Hinault.

In relation to some of Hinaults comments if I recall correctly Armstrong said, "What a wanker. 5 TDF wins doesnt buy you any common sence'

 

[scribe]

Hinault defo dislikes Lance. I find this common ground regarding protectionism of doping to be rather interesting.

Even more interesting is the idea that a clean Lemond could beat a doped Hinault. Not really related, but discussed within here. That should be considered absolutely impossible by many poster's standards.

 

[scribe]

I think Lemond just hit his natural curve. I think he was a clean rider, based on common sense alone. No one can be THAT obsessed with doping and have doped himself.

How he beat a doped Hinault is simply impossible, given established standards of reasoning here.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The Lemond issue was discussed ad nauseam on a number of threads - as his victories were before all out use of EPO it was possible that a clean rider could beat a doped rider.

But to bring that in to this thread is trolling - so if you wish to argue it then read through the other threads on the subject and post your opinions there.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The Betsy thread was not highjacked - i simply put another point of view, and nobody came back with any type of argument. I think this is why I am being targeted for nuance by some now. They can't beat me in a fair fight so have to resort to this nonsense

I actually don't recall anyone accusing your arguments of ever being "nuanced". Trolling, and ***, I have seen those used to describe your posts but not nuanced.

 

[workingclasshero]

The Lemond issue was discussed ad nauseam on a number of threads - as his victories were before all out use of EPO it was possible that a clean rider could beat a doped rider.

But to bring that in to this thread is trolling - so if you wish to argue it then read through the other threads on the subject and post your opinions there.

join the in-crowd doc!! new thing is to ignore banprocycling.

the character's run its course and is now just tiresome, throwing out more and more ridiculous statements just to get a bite.

btw i have it on good authority it is a classic case of a double agent.

on the surface a lance armstrong defender, but deeper down a character who's brought out a lot of top arguments against lance's case - while himself has not posted a thing in lance's defence that will have convinced even the most gullible person

 

[luckyboy]

Bernard Hinault is the last French rider to win the Tour. With respect I think he knows more about it more than you guys. You can try to smear him all you want but it won't change that fact.

Go take it up with Bernard if you think you know better than him. All I can do is provide the source, and that is what I have done.

What? I didn't say anything about him : /

Fact is, clean riders can't beat doped riders

 

[Anonymous]

I actually don't recall anyone accusing your arguments of ever being "nuanced". Trolling, and ***, I have seen those used to describe your posts but not nuanced.

Ok, that made me laugh a lot. Thanks!

 

[runninboy]

join the in-crowd doc!! new thing is to ignore banprocycling.

the character's run its course and is now just tiresome, throwing out more and more ridiculous statements just to get a bite.

btw i have it on good authority it is a classic case of a double agent.

on the surface a lance armstrong defender, but deeper down a character who's brought out a lot of top arguments against lance's case - while himself has not posted a thing in lance's defence that will have convinced even the most gullible person

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is nice
ignore is good

thanks

 

[Escarabajo]

I'll be honest with everybody here. If we didn't have BanProCycling we would not have much to laugh about. I just open this thread to have a good Laugh.

 

[krebs303]

Yes I have 99% of the forum members on ignore. It's great, most of the time I am reading my own posts. Everybody should do it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

People attacking me over nuance, was my point.

I didn't see that, was my point. I saw them attacking a lack of content.

Yes I have 99% of the forum members on ignore. It's great, most of the time I am reading my own posts. Everybody should do it.

OK, that's better. You've been trying for over a week and you finally said something funny. High Five!

 

[Digger]

I think Lemond just hit his natural curve. I think he was a clean rider, based on common sense alone. No one can be THAT obsessed with doping and have doped himself.

How he beat a doped Hinault is simply impossible, given established standards of reasoning here.

Because you were no doubt alluding to me here, I feel I need to reply. Prior to the widespread use of EPO, yes it was possible to beat a doped rider. The doping, prior to this, was Amphetamines, Corticoids and Testosterone. None of these drugs changed a mule into a race horse. EPO and blood doping changed this completely, as the advantages of taking them over a three week race were so great. Look at Lemond's results, just when it EPO came about, as evidence of this. It became widespread in the early 90s.
But as the Dr has mentioned, this must be an attempt at a wind up, because this has been mentioned so many times. There was no need to bring Lemond beating Hinault into it.

 

[scribe]

Because you were no doubt alluding to me here, I feel I need to reply. Prior to the widespread use of EPO, yes it was possible to beat a doped rider. The doping, prior to this, was Amphetamines, Corticoids and Testosterone. None of these drugs changed a mule into a race horse. EPO and blood doping changed this completely, as the advantages of taking them over a three week race were so great. Look at Lemond's results, just when it EPO came about, as evidence of this. It became widespread in the early 90s.
But as the Dr has mentioned, this must be an attempt at a wind up, because this has been mentioned so many times. There was no need to bring Lemond beating Hinault into it.

No. I wasn't alluding to you here at all. But I understand you arrive at most of your conclusions this easily.

As I was not the first to introduce the idea that Lemond should not be able to beat a doped racer within this thread. But I have no problem leaving it for another thread some day.

 

[Digger]

No. I wasn't alluding to you here at all. But I understand you arrive at most of your conclusions this easily. As I was not the first to introduce the idea that Lemond should not be able to beat a doped racer within this thread. But I have no problem leaving it for another thread some day.

Common sense, in the face of overwhelming evidence is how i'd put it.

 

[Race Radio]

I actually don't recall anyone accusing your arguments of ever being "nuanced". Trolling, and ***, I have seen those used to describe your posts but not nuanced.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is a distinct possibility.