Remco is the best flat and slightly hilly TT rider. Pogi the GOAT is the best Mountain TT, and on very hilly parcours.
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I would bet any day on Pogacar in a MTT against Remco. If it's a WC or a GT. Even on a hilly course, Pogacar would be the favourite. I already wrote here, since 2020 Remco has 1/7 wins in TT under 49 kph. These are numbers, not my opinion. He is dominant in flat TTs and that's it
Is that's why Vingegaard murdered him in last year's Tour?
Current situation for sure doesn't look favourable to any other cyclist then Pogi, considering if he decides to go 100km from the finish line no team or other rider will catch him. Still it's a bit more tricky then that, looking back in the past half decade, or more, there were many riders considered to be unbeatable, end of the season, and all got beaten.
So all options are open for the 2025 season.
So all options are open for the 2025 season.
Yeah, but currently, if you can ride away from Jonas on a hill and Remco doesn't stand a chance in a 100km rolling terrain and Rogla doesn't get close to initiate the stomp. Then it's obvious that other riders and teams still got some work left to do. Maybe van der Poel can beat Pogi at the Tour. We'll see.
I know Contador never showed the dominance of Pogacar but it was pretty insane seeing mythical 2009 Contador bonking hard in Paris Nice (after winning 2 GTs the year before) after winning Montagne de Lure
@Peyroteo94
Last year Jonas was considered unbeatable, prior to that Rogla would in the end always stomp you, dominance was hence always there. As for 100km solo rides, this is a bit new and to be honest it looks kinda stupid. Whole peloton and all super stars unable to chase down a rider initiating 100km solo attacks, again and again. Here i must say i blame the teams, it's their job to bring Pogi back and in 2024 season they didn't prepare for that all that well, until they do Pogi should i guess keep calling them out.
Last year Jonas was considered unbeatable, prior to that Rogla would in the end always stomp you, dominance was hence always there. As for 100km solo rides, this is a bit new and to be honest it looks kinda stupid. Whole peloton and all super stars unable to chase down a rider initiating 100km solo attacks, again and again. Here i must say i blame the teams, it's their job to bring Pogi back and in 2024 season they didn't prepare for that all that well, until they do Pogi should i guess keep calling them out.
Just like Merckx Pogi is racing against a bunch of amateurs and farmers, history tends to repeat itself.
Well even Roglic in his peak was sometimes beaten by Pogacar in "spomps". I don't think Roglic has ever been unbeatable.
Pogi didn't win everything this year either, was stomped by Jonas too. Or spomped?
Threw Vingegaard a bone to keep his hope alive before the ultimate stomp.
I don't know how it was historically if guys like Museeuw, Van Petegem or Bettini etc. were considered top of the sport along the GT riders of the day or is it has mainly been GT riders that have been considered the best?
That one time when Pogi didn't get enough to eat in the TDF? I wouldn't call that stomped, just a mistake by Pogi and UAE
If you go by that, Roglic was beaten by Gaudu once in 2019 as well.
Case closed, David Gaudu is better than Roglic little frenchman is the true stomp.
MVP has an insane uphill acceleration. He can destroy Pogi in the first kilometer of Mt Ventoux. I'm not sure about the remaining 20 km though...
If belgian Pozzato can beat Pogi on Ventoux, so can MvdP.
No way, Jonas is listed on a blackboard under section cyclists not entitle to win under any circumstances. Getting butchered for two years in a row does that to you, so don't blame Pogi for it. Likely Pogi soften up a bit after such season and the blackboard will turn into a whiteboard.
Ultimately it's all about the Tour. But you do have a point and last year van der Poel should have won Vélo d'Or.
Then again, whenever Rogla forgets to eat and Remco beats him in a MTF sprint you do perceive that as a desert? Joking aside there was a section of the Tour 2024 on where some started to believe Jonas will win it, so this couldn't have been just a question of food.
The discussion was about domination and the argument was made Rogla got beaten, once, so he couldn't have dominated. On top of that i pointed out that at the end of last season the general sentiment was Jonas was unbeatable, well, he got beaten this season. On where now Pogi is unbeatable, by still getting beaten on a couple of occasions.
Full circle.
What about the other 80km? I mean how can he destroy Pogi in the first km, or last (asking for a friend), if Pogi isn't there, a conundrum.
Oh I agree 100% Vingegaard and Visma are on the no win list when Pogacar is around. That’s why on stage 19 maybe with Jorgenson, I forget the other Visma rider, and Soler in the break and I said UAE were going to help Quickstep keep it close in case Soler is dropped so Pogacar can stop Visma from winning, got ridiculed for it, and it ended up happening with Almeida setting Pog up.
But Pogacar is also a showman, and that stage brought hope to Vingegaard and Visma. They thought they were going to win after stage 11. That’s right up Pogacar’s alley to give them hope only to crush them later.
@SHAD0W93
As for the hope part, no way, don't get your hopes up. Until peloton finds a way Pogi will call them out, 100km from the line, see ya suckers. But here i feel that Pogi is wrong on calling them suckers as the art of wheel sucking is a dying trade, for that other riders would still need to suck.
Anyway, should be a splendid season 2025.
As for the hope part, no way, don't get your hopes up. Until peloton finds a way Pogi will call them out, 100km from the line, see ya suckers. But here i feel that Pogi is wrong on calling them suckers as the art of wheel sucking is a dying trade, for that other riders would still need to suck.
Anyway, should be a splendid season 2025.
I think for Pogacar he has to see it that way just to keep motivated. Winning is one thing and in time the shine from that will fade with every new win so to keep motivation up during training you also need to have some sort of rivalry. Otherwise it just leads to an early retirement at worst because of lack of motivation to keep training.
That's also why he has the target of winning all the monuments. That's also to keep motivation up.
I think your recollection is a bit confused.
Stage 19 over Bonette to Isola 2000 had Jorgenson and Kelderman in the break, with Jorgenson being passed by Pogi near the end of the stage. UAE chased hard all day and it was Yates who launched Pogi single-handedly on the last climb:
Stage 20 to Couillole initially saw many try to get in the break (including Jorgenson), but UAE controlled the early phase of the stage and allowed a break with Soler, Kelderman, Tratnik, Carapaz and Mas to go clear. Quickstep took over the chase on Turini and Saint-Martin, and Landa launched Evenepoel on the last climb, and when his first attack went nowhere, Almeida took over the pace-making. Then Evenepoel attacked a second time and was instantly countered by Vingegaard with Pogi in his wheel, and Vingegaard kept going (past the break) until the last 500 m before Pogi sprinted past him:
Oh yes it was the stage 20 break I was thinking of. I think without Visma being present or Vingegaard countering Evenepoel Pog lets it go, maybe.
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