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"Jeff"

"Jeff"

Aug 11, 2012
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I type quickly, so it's not much work... Funny though that you'd rather criticize me than address the content of my post. Very telling...
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I've said what I wanted to say and certainly dont want to make Landis a 'martyr' like you are doing now. I've wasted hours and hours watching that US Postal crap. I thought the years with Miguel Indurain were bad, but boy, I was pretty wrong. All these supposed talents from North-America who came to Europe at age 26-30. I always thought they added absolutely NOTHING (in contrast to the young guns like Phinney etc) and meanwhile that has been proven as well. Most top Italian, Spanish riders havent been anything better but we were stuck with them, after all cycling is an old-fashioned/European sport.
 
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Fowsto Cope-E

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Okay, here's what I can bring to the table. I just finished reading Millar's book (I know this doesn't make me an expert or anything), and he said that he would always ride most of the year clean, and then in the weeks leading up to an objective (Tour, Veulta, TT Worlds), he would be on a doping regiment. So for Landis to say that he didn't start doping until after the Dauphine would be consistent with Millar's statements.

For Julich, I can again look to Millar's book. He said that during the time that he was clean, he was getting a lot of good results in TTs (particularly shorter ones) and short stage races. In the book, Tony Rominger also says that it was possible to win one-day races clean, but certainly not GTs. This seems consistent with Julich's CSC results; on CSC, he never had good GT results but was able to win TTs and short stage races. Even while getting good results on CSC, he never seemed like the man that finished on the podium of the Tour.
 
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More Strides than Rides

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Fowsto Cope-E said:
Okay, here's what I can bring to the table. I just finished reading Millar's book (I know this doesn't make me an expert or anything), and he said that he would always ride most of the year clean, and then in the weeks leading up to an objective (Tour, Veulta, TT Worlds), he would be on a doping regiment. So for Landis to say that he didn't start doping until after the Dauphine would be consistent with Millar's statements.

For Julich, I can again look to Millar's book. He said that during the time that he was clean, he was getting a lot of good results in TTs (particularly shorter ones) and short stage races. In the book, Tony Rominger also says that it was possible to win one-day races clean, but certainly not GTs. This seems consistent with Julich's CSC results; on CSC, he never had good GT results but was able to win TTs and short stage races. Even while getting good results on CSC, he never seemed like the man that finished on the podium of the Tour.
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I think its important to understand "clean post drug use" as "x years since a cycle". I haven't been able to find anything about the lasting training and fitness affects of drug use, but have to assume that the training benefits, and physiological changes never go back to "normal.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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Fowsto Cope-E said:
Okay, here's what I can bring to the table. I just finished reading Millar's book (I know this doesn't make me an expert or anything), and he said that he would always ride most of the year clean, and then in the weeks leading up to an objective (Tour, Veulta, TT Worlds), he would be on a doping regiment. So for Landis to say that he didn't start doping until after the Dauphine would be consistent with Millar's statements.
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I have a problem with any "confession" sold as a biography where the writer paints themselves in a positive light, or limits their doping to certain periods of the year only.

A BIG problem.

ETA: According to WIki, Millar doped for the Dauphine.
He consulted Jesus Losa, the doctor of the Euskaltel team in Spain,[n 7] and had more sessions of EPO in May and August 2003.[13]
“ "I put my life and my career in his hands and I gave him €12,000 a year. At the time, I was earning €250,000 in salary. That year, I won €800,000. The targets we had at the end of the EPO treatment were the Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré
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Fowsto Cope-E

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Dear Wiggo said:
I have a problem with any "confession" sold as a biography where the writer paints themselves in a positive light, or limits their doping to certain periods of the year only.

A BIG problem.

ETA: According to WIki, Millar doped for the Dauphine.
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Oh yeah, you're right that he did dope in May in preparation for the Tour, so that would include the Dauphine. So the fact that Landis would have waited until just a few weeks before the Tour to start doping might be a little odd. But, I still don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

In regards to writers "painting themselves in a positive light," I definatley understand why you have a problem with that. But I don't think that Millar's book rerally painted Millar as a good person during that time. To me, it seemed like that was just how it was done by him. He would prepare "clean" through the early parts of the season and then hit the doping regiment in the final buildup of the main races of the year.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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Fowsto Cope-E said:
Oh yeah, you're right that he did dope in May in preparation for the Tour, so that would include the Dauphine. So the fact that Landis would have waited until just a few weeks before the Tour to start doping might be a little odd. But, I still don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

In regards to writers "painting themselves in a positive light," I definatley understand why you have a problem with that. But I don't think that Millar's book rerally painted Millar as a good person during that time. To me, it seemed like that was just how it was done by him. He would prepare "clean" through the early parts of the season and then hit the doping regiment in the final buildup of the main races of the year.
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I'm still undecided on whether to read his book. It would be far better to get a torrent, imo. Cheat to get the cheater's book? ;)

The problems I have are:
1. he suggests he only doped for part of the year, for only some races
2. He claims doping only gave him 25 seconds for the WC TT... :confused:
3. He claims he didn't need to dope to have a good career. :confused:

I am pretty confident riders prove a doping protocol before trying it out on the big event. There's no way someone with any sort of sense does something the first time for the TdF just before or during the TdF. Granted, not everyone has sense.
 
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Fowsto Cope-E

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Dear Wiggo said:
I'm still undecided on whether to read his book. It would be far better to get a torrent, imo. Cheat to get the cheater's book? ;)

The problems I have are:
1. he suggests he only doped for part of the year, for only some races
2. He claims doping only gave him 25 seconds for the WC TT... :confused:
3. He claims he didn't need to dope to have a good career. :confused:

I am pretty confident riders prove a doping protocol before trying it out on the big event. There's no way someone with any sort of sense does something the first time for the TdF just before or during the TdF. Granted, not everyone has sense.
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I think it's worth a read. I enjoyed not so much because of what I learned about David Millar but more what I learned about doping in general.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
I have a problem with any "confession" sold as a biography where the writer paints themselves in a positive light, or limits their doping to certain periods of the year only.
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Well, he wrote that Epo was only effective if he was in top shape. I think Hamilton wrote the same, so I can understand why they would only dope for some parts of the year. It wouldn't have been effective, it costs you money, and you still risk getting caught. To me it makes sense they didn't dope all year round.
 
Fearless Greg Lemond

Fearless Greg Lemond

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Sad to see he didnt join Garmin. Great trainer. Knows all the numbers.

What a little beautifull incestious world pro - cycling seems to be.

Good luck Bobbie. Say hello to Freddie Viaene. Bet y know him.
 
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Oct 16, 2010
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Cycle Chic said:
sniper said:
Cycling's problems in a tweet
Daniel Benson ‏@dnlbenson 16 Min.vor 16 Minuten

Bobby Julich will join us for live coverage tomorrow for Milan-San Remo.
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well spotted
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Still waiting for journos to pick up on Jaksche's affidavit mentioning a Julich 50+ hct reading in 2004.
Is there really nobody who *** cares?

Same for Sciandri, Cioni, DeJongh, Knaven, Yates.
There's a dazzling amount of dirt on these guys out there for everybody to access, but nobody seems to *** care.
 
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blackcat

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sniper

Oct 16, 2010
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:D

from that photo one could be misled to think they are falling into each others arms.
Anger and love, so close together!

the white guy on the right, I think he's saying "Jeroen, mind your footwork!"
 
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