The Bobby Julich files

[GJB123]

Rode for Telekom 2002-2003. Isn't that the period when Pevenage claimed they restarted their doping program? Or was that in reference solely to Ullrich? In any case, yeah, a bit tough to believe that a guy who rode for Telekom and CSC over the past decade wasn't doping.

Pevenage worked almost strictly with Ullrich and probably also Klöden. When he refers to getting back on the gear in 2002 and 2003, I am quite sure he menas that to be the case for Ullrich. The 2006-Freiburg case was most likely the first time T-mobile instugated a truly teamwide doping scheme. Please do not forget that USPS were really way ahead of their time as has been said time and again by people who know like Vaughters and Hamilton.

 

[BroDeal]

They were teammates at Motorola, and, technically, Cofidis.

I imagine Julich would have some fun stories to tell about Lance's amateur days, too.

Probably none of that interested the feds too much.

Doh! Forgot about Motorola.

Anyway, there appears to be a muddied picture of what was going on at CSC. Riis probably directed some riders to outside help but had little to nothing to do with directly aiding his riders.

 

[GuidoG]

Julich

He claims to have quit doping in 1998. I find that extremely difficult to believe.

Dont pi$$ on me and tell me its raining!!

He was hiding it from his wife in 1998 he claims she only found out form another riders wife.
Some kind of relationship that must´ve been.

 

[benzwire]

He was hiding it from his wife in 1998 he claims she only found out form another riders wife.
Some kind of relationship that must´ve been.

I don't think they were married yet, not that it makes it any better.

 

[gustienordic]

What I'm thinking based on:

1996
9th Overall Vuelta a España
Held King of the Mountains Jersey for 10 Stages
1997
1st Overall Route du Sud
1st Stage 2A
1st Stage 2B
1st Overall Tour de l'Ain
17th Overall, Tour de France
1998
1st Overall Critérium International
3rd Overall, Tour de France
2000
2nd Overall, Tour Méditerranéen
48th Overall, Tour de France
2001
18th Overall, Tour de France
1st Stage 4 TTT
2002
37th Overall, Tour de France
2004
1st Stage 6, Vuelta al País Vasco
1st LuK Challenge
2nd Olympic Individual Time Trial
2005
1st Overall Paris–Nice
1st Overall Critérium International
1st Stage 3
1st Overall Eneco Tour of Benelux
1st Stage 7
1st LuK Challenge Chrono
1st Stage 4 TTT Tour Méditerranéen
4th Overall Tour de Georgia
17th Overall Tour de France
2006
1st Prologue, Paris–Nice
1st Stage 5 TTT Giro d'Italia
1st Eindhoven Team Time Trial
3rd Overall Tour of California
2007
1st Stage 2 TTT Deutschland Tour
1st Eindhoven Team Time Trial
2nd Overall Sachsen Tour
2008
3rd Stage 6 Paris–Nice

Doping 1996-1998, 2004-2006?

 

[Benotti69]

I think the point was to strip Lance's TDF titles because that is all that he (or most of the casual fans in the USA) cared about.

Otherwise, ignoring statute of limitations, from what I've gathered on here, they could have made a field day out of the early part of Lance's career, too. By not going back, all they are going to make it look like 100 years from now (if anyone actually cares enough to bother to look back) is that Lance got cancer and then he doped while making a comeback.

Armstrong was stripped of all wins from August 1998. That includes more than TdFs.

 

[Benotti69]

So Julich gave up doping in 1998 and made it for another 10 years as a pro all through another EPO era and got pro team contracts?

Bullsh!t!

 

[gustienordic]

So Julich gave up doping in 1998 and made it for another 10 years as a pro all through another EPO era and got pro team contracts?

Bullsh!t!

Stopped for 4 years or so when his results were awful, or dialed back the epo use.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

These guys are so used to lying/hiding/obscuring it seems like they can't help but keep lying even after they come clean.

Julich claims hd stopped in 1998. Landis says he doped but not for what he tested positive. Hamilton says Evans is clean. Sheesh.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

These guys are so used to lying/hiding/obscuring it seems like they can't help but keep lying even after they come clean.

Julich claims hd stopped in 1998. Landis says he doped but not for what he tested positive. Hamilton says Evans is clean. Sheesh.

+ ten characters

 

[WinterRider]

Dont pi$$ on me and tell me its raining!!

He was hiding it from his wife in 1998 he claims she only found out form another riders wife.
Some kind of relationship that must´ve been.

That was my take too. He says he quit for his wife, so if he started up again later he can't admit to that without messing up the marriage.

I'd like to believe him, after all he didn't have to confess, but then again maybe his wife once again gave him a push, so he had to make a confession that was OK for her ears?

 

[spetsa]

So Julich gave up doping in 1998 and made it for another 10 years as a pro all through another EPO era and got pro team contracts?

Bullsh!t!

Completey believable. His performances in 2004-05 were the result of a new found inner focus. His ability to not only channel this focus, but to transfer it to others, is the reason that he has been so successfull working on the worlds best teams as a performance director.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

So Julich gave up doping in 1998 and made it for another 10 years as a pro all through another EPO era and got pro team contracts?

Bullsh!t!

+1

Julich must be trying for the vacant 2001 TDF title

I notice he only talks about EPO. Doesn't talk about when he started and stopped other products / methods

 

[manafana]

Well least hes come out and spoken lost his job as result, sky prefer to have their head in the sand than be told of dirty past.

 

[hrotha]

Completey believable. His performances in 2004-05 were the result of a new found inner focus. His ability to not only channel this focus, but to transfer it to others, is the reason that he has been so successfull working on the worlds best teams as a performance director.

It's completely believable that he achieved some of the best results of his career as an old man, at CSC, where we know Hamilton, Jaksche, Zabriskie and Basso were doping, after years of performing below that level at cleanish Crédit Agricole?

 

[Nick C.]

What exactly does someone have to say or do to satisfy people here? FFS Montcoutie finished 13th or thereabouts, won stages in the Tour, won stuff like the Tour of the Med and Vuelta KOMs. Pinotti wins TTs, podiumed at Romandy and finished top 10-20 in the Giro (or so I recall). Unless these guys are dopers as well it is possible to have a successful career.

 

[airstream]

In the interview before the Pyrenees in the 2005 Tour I remember Bobby said he hadn't been a GC rider and his goal was to teach Ivan Basso everything he knew...In the light of recent events, those words acquire double sense.

 

[hrotha]

What exactly does someone have to say or do to satisfy people here? FFS Montcoutie finished 13th or thereabouts, won stages in the Tour, won stuff like the Tour of the Med and Vuelta KOMs. Pinotti wins TTs, podiumed at Romandy and finished top 10-20 in the Giro (or so I recall). Unless these guys are dopers as well it is possible to have a successful career.

I don't particularly suspect Julich's 18th place in the GC of the 2001 Tour. What I suspect is this:
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=31

Notice any sudden spike when he signed with CSC at 32?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

What exactly does someone have to say or do to satisfy people here? FFS Montcoutie finished 13th or thereabouts, won stages in the Tour, won stuff like the Tour of the Med and Vuelta KOMs. Pinotti wins TTs, podiumed at Romandy and finished top 10-20 in the Giro (or so I recall). Unless these guys are dopers as well it is possible to have a successful career.

Come clean completely and fully. That is all. Don't bull**** us and lie to us that you stopped doping whenever you left the big bad shadow of Armstrong.

 

[maltiv]

What exactly does someone have to say or do to satisfy people here? FFS Montcoutie finished 13th or thereabouts, won stages in the Tour, won stuff like the Tour of the Med and Vuelta KOMs. Pinotti wins TTs, podiumed at Romandy and finished top 10-20 in the Giro (or so I recall). Unless these guys are dopers as well it is possible to have a successful career.

I find it very weird how some people seem to think that it was "impossible" to be successful as a clean rider in early 2000's, yet the very same people believe in Moncoutie.

Obviously there must have been other riders who were at least close to Mouncoutie's talent (or who makes up with it by being even more serious/hard-working) who could have performed in a similar fashion as he did.

 

[SlowtwitchLeaks]

I notice he only talks about EPO. Doesn't talk about when he started and stopped other products / methods

This is it right here. He was doing blood transfusions in 04/05, his first years with CSC.

 

[spetsa]

It's completely believable that he achieved some of the best results of his career as an old man, at CSC, where we know Hamilton, Jaksche, Zabriskie and Basso were doping, after years of performing below that level at cleanish Crédit Agricole?

It is all about marginal gains I was obviously joking. I will give him the benefit of the doubt as a decent human being, but not in regrds to his intentions in this "confession". If he ends up back with Riis next year, I hope the whole team goes down.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Didn't Dombrowski and Boswell sign with Sky mainly because of Julich? (...other than for money reasons)

 

[MR_Sarcastic]

Should he lose his 1998 3rd place...?

“I made the decision to use EPO several times from August 1996 until July of 1998,” Julich wrote. “Those days were very different from today, but it was not a decision that I reached easily. I knew that it was wrong, but over those two years, the attitude surrounding the use of EPO in the peloton was so casual and accepted that I personally lost perspective of the gravity of the situation.”

Speaking of 1998..

1st Pantani
2nd Ulrich....

Should all three places be vacated?
.
?
.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Well, Julich wasted his opportunity to really confess. All this "dear fans I'm sorry" bull****.....