The Case for Contador

[Benotti69]

It is extremely disrespectful to all the children born out of wedlock.

you mean flicky, polish, stephens, sparty and all at pubic stratalies

 

[OneRaceWonder]

(I know Schleck might not be clean either, but he hasnt tested posative).

For the good of cycling they need to show that the rules apply to everyone. Inlcuding and especially the winner of the Tour de France.

Neither has Lance................................................

 

[Polyarmour]

Contador is a goner. He has lost the TdF already.

The only decision to be made is whether it's a 1 year or 2 year ban.

These "good of the sport" appeals are nonsense. The sport is WAY bigger than these cheats. Contador is on his way from rooster to feather duster.

NEXT!!!!

 

[Aguirre]

Contador is a goner. He has lost the TdF already.

The only decision to be made is whether it's a 1 year or 2 year ban.

These "good of the sport" appeals are nonsense. The sport is WAY bigger than these cheats. Contador is on his way from rooster to feather duster.

NEXT!!!!

I bet you xxx€ Contador is not DQ from 2010 TdF

 

[indurain666]

Contador is a goner. He has lost the TdF already.

The only decision to be made is whether it's a 1 year or 2 year ban.

These "good of the sport" appeals are nonsense. The sport is WAY bigger than these cheats. Contador is on his way from rooster to feather duster.

NEXT!!!!

Yeah it is way bigger than you think: if we were to ban all dopers we will be watching your fat *** next door racing for yellow jersey at the TDF...

 

[Race Radio]

It is extremely disrespectful to all the children born out of wedlock.

Why does every thread have to be about Lance?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

As rabidly anti-doping as I am, I'm not against a temporay amnesty. But...

It would have to be contingent on the 'new' reality that ALL testing bodies enforce ANY infraction from here on out.

It's a lovely excercise in theory to talk about what would or should happen, but someone HAS to have to the nuts to back it up.

For a long time I've advocated that the drug czars, from the manifold parties involved, finally say that "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" and get their collective sh*t together and get it done.

If the various posters here, and the athlete population in general, agree that being a professional athlete must involve a certain mode of living that the rest of us don't need to adhere to, well... that's what it is.

I'm no longer paid to ride my bike (much to my growing disappointment), but having said that, I can eat as much sketchy clen-infused meat as I want. Hell, I could be main-lining amphetimines if I wanted to. Why? Because I'm not being paid to ride my bike and adhere to those rules anymore.

If the governing bodies say something is verbotten, then it is. The riders should be pro enough to understand that, and between them (and their manifold staffers) they should be able to figure out what in the hell they can eat, injest, smoke, or get through a needle. If they can't, for the millions of euros they're paid, then they should be run out of the sport.

That's the 'idiot tax' these f*ckers need to pay. If they can't figure out the rules, then they're *** and need to learn a lesson. If they're truly professional, and understand everything - all the rules et al, then they're just a bunch of cheaters.

I'm not sure what's more damaging to the sport. Intrenched retardation, or willful cheating?

Pick one, because once you add the UCI to the equation it gets even worse. They're even more guilty of the above offenses...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Oops, forgot my main point on that rant...

Warn everyone, and then enforce an absolute zero-tollerance policy. You test positive, you're done for four years.

The managers, DSs, and sponsors need to feel the pain as well. Take their race horses out of the money equation, and it'll help enforcement.

How could it not?

 

[katkotom]

now, here is a trump card for AC

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/34-arrested-in-spanish-clenbuterol-investigation

According to the Guardia Civil, the product, Spasmobronchal, has a legal use for treatment of horses that have problems with blood supply to their lungs. However, in this case the product has allegedly been supplied to farmers to fatten up cattle and to athletes as a performance-booster.

 

[rolfrae]

now, here is a trump card for AC

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/34-arrested-in-spanish-clenbuterol-investigation

According to the Guardia Civil, the product, Spasmobronchal, has a legal use for treatment of horses that have problems with blood supply to their lungs. However, in this case the product has allegedly been supplied to farmers to fatten up cattleand to athletes as a performance-booster.

Not really a trump for AC if you just highlight a different part of the quote.

 

[katkotom]

everyone knows it is and has been used in sports but the farmers were the ones saying it is not used anymore...

"Several agricultural organizations have said that clenbuterol is no longer administered to Spanish cattle to aid fattening, but this case demonstrates that illegal supply of clenbuterol-based products to farmers is still taking place in Spain."

 

[hrotha]

Honestly I don't think it changes much. Everybody pretty much assumed some rogue farmers would still use it, but the relevant thing here is clen hasn't shown up in the controls for years, which suggests it's not that common and which makes Contador's explanation not very likely from a statistical point of view, especially in light of its use as a banned substance among athletes.

 

[Frosty]

There have been thousands of negative tests on cattle making a pretty convincing case for it not being widespread but maybe farmers know when they will be tested or who will be tested?

 

[SpeedWay]

Why does every thread have to be about Lance?

That one's easy - they can't help themselves - like obsessed girls talking about their boy toy. Most likely a mild form of coprolalia due to LA's total and complete dominance of their mind.

 

[JA.Tri]

AC competing

"Spaniard plans to race in Oviedo despite provisional suspension" CN

Please tell me how this is possible; that AC can compete in the face of the suspension?

Is he allowed to participate, as it is farewell ride for RadioShack's Chechu Rubiera, rather than compete? That is not claim a win and finish in the middle of the peleton as a sign of respect???

Ta js

 

[rzombie1988]

^^I want to know what's going on with that and what's going to be done. I'm not sure which side is making a bigger joke out of the rules right now.

 

[sublimit]

If he competes he makes the people/person at the UCI look an even bigger laughing stock than ever considered possible and that takes some doing. Pro cycling is a complete shambles at the moment.

 

[lean mean &green]

sounds obvous but if he competes his suspension should be lengthened

 

[hrotha]

Do suspensions apply to god-forsaken crits?

 

[JA.Tri]

I don't know the rules associated with "crits".

My limited understanding of doping bans (sports in general) restricts training to only that performed alone (therefore no "competing"). No connection to/interaction with "affiliated sporting teams" is allowed (teams affiliated with the peak body).

I had assumed the same would apply to cyclists...and I had assumed the "crit" in question would be affiliated as above

AND therefore AC would be "banned" from competing.

So I really don't know...nor understand

Hence mild embarrassment and confusion in admitting to ignorance.

 

[JRTinMA]

I don't know the rules associated with "crits".

My limited understanding of doping bans (sports in general) restricts training to only that performed alone (therefore no "competing"). No connection to/interaction with "affiliated sporting teams" is allowed (teams affiliated with the peak body).

I had assumed the same would apply to cyclists...and I had assumed the "crit" in question would be affiliated as above

AND therefore AC would be "banned" from competing.

So I really don't know...nor understand

Hence mild embarrassment and confusion in admitting to ignorance.

In the US a competitor can compete while banned by USAC as long as the event is not a USAC event. All the big races in the US are sanctioned by USAC but plenty of offbeat events take place with small associations or ones that are not sanctioned by any governing body. Tyler Hamilton won the Mount Washington hill climb I believe while banned by USAC. Landis raced some time trial in the third world while banned or suspended. I'm guessing the same rules apply in Spain, Contadoper can race in an event not governed by Spain's cycling association. Its a slap in the face to the sport but Spaniards will turn out in record numbers to support their dopers. Even posers in the UK, Python booked his tiks 38 seconds after the announcement.

 

[El Pistolero]

Honestly I don't think it changes much. Everybody pretty much assumed some rogue farmers would still use it, but the relevant thing here is clen hasn't shown up in the controls for years, which suggests it's not that common and which makes Contador's explanation not very likely from a statistical point of view, especially in light of its use as a banned substance among athletes.

A study done by a Belgian university says otherwise. Study written in 2009.

Just sayin'

Ps: under your logic Lance is a clean rider. Cause he never tested positive you know

 

[minessa]

"Spaniard plans to race in Oviedo despite provisional suspension" CN

Please tell me how this is possible; that AC can compete in the face of the suspension?

Is he allowed to participate, as it is farewell ride for RadioShack's Chechu Rubiera, rather than compete? That is not claim a win and finish in the middle of the peleton as a sign of respect???

Ta js

No, he does not plan to race in Oviedo. http://www.rmc.fr/editorial/131636/contador-dement-sa-participation-au-criterium-d-oviedo/

 

[hrotha]

A study done by a Belgian university says otherwise. Study written in 2009.

Just sayin'

Ps: under your logic Lance is a clean rider. Cause he never tested positive you know

Do you have a link?

And no, by my logic Lance was a doper, because he didn't test positive (although he did, but just for argument's sake), but truckloads of other cyclists did (including everyone he beat). Meat is not regularly testing positive for clen, let alone Contador's own steak.

 

[fatandfast]

On Eurosport the Prince of Asturias is giving out awards for sports and I don't see Alberto is he up there?