The Chris Squared Thread

[sniper]

The reason Froome's fans are so angry with Horner is that they know he would have dropped Froome and Quintana.....spanked them

we can't really know, imo.
most seem to agree that we haven't seen froome be tested to the max at the tdf. quintana was good, but froome was never in real danger. we don't know what froome had left in the tank, and me thinks he had a lot left.
froome vs. quintana really was nothing like horner vs. nibali.
the latter two pushed each other to hit full gas on the climbs.
also, while horner was mighty impressive, i haven't seen him accellerate like froome did on the ventoux.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Confident or not, why not sound confident, eh?

Their tone strikes me as something more than denial. They actually know that what they are taking cannot be detected now...or maybe ever.

 

[Netserk]

Their tone strikes me as something more than denial. They actually know that what they are taking cannot be detected now...or maybe ever.

Do they really sound any more confident than Armstrong did?

 

[Race Radio]

we can't really know, imo.
most seem to agree that we haven't seen froome be tested to the max at the tdf. quintana was good, but froome was never in real danger. we don't know what froome had left in the tank, and me thinks he had a lot left.
froome vs. quintana really was nothing like horner vs. nibali.
the latter two pushed each other to hit full gas on the climbs.
also, while horner was mighty impressive, i haven't seen him accellerate like froome did on the ventoux.

Semnoz. 31 min 47

Froome: 6.0-6.1 w/kg
Quintana : 6.25-6.34 W/kg

Today was 43 minutes and Horner was likely in the 6.3-6.7 range....depending on what weight you believe. He was 7 w/kg yesterday for 16:44. He was @6.5 w/kg for the steepest part of the climb (28:06)

Horner would have smoked them

 

[the sceptic]

Semnoz. 31 min 47

Froome: 6.0-6.1 w/kg
Quintana : 6.25-6.34 W/kg

Today was 43 minutes and Horner was likely in the 6.3-6.7 range....depending on what weight you believe. He was 7 w/kg yesterday for 16:44.

Horner would have smoked them

But today had a tailwind so it cant be used to judge performance. Better find some other climb where Horner looked more human

 

[sniper]

Semnoz. 31 min 47

Froome: 6.0-6.1 w/kg
Quintana : 6.25-6.34 W/kg

Today was 43 minutes and Horner was likely in the 6.3-6.7 range....depending on what weight you believe. He was 7 w/kg yesterday for 16:44.

Horner would have smoked them

compelling data.
and indeed horner looked better in the vuelta's 3rd week than froome did in the tdf's 3rd week.
however, froome had already won the tour after the first two weeks and didn't need to go deep in the third, certainly not as deep as horner needed to go in order to beat nibali.
we can't really know what froome would have had left in the tank if quintana had been ahead of him (or at least closer to him) going into the third week.

you might be right, but i'm just not sure if we've seen froome's max.

 

[Netserk]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/378935758792310784

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily

#LaVuelta, Angliru (12.80 km, 9.64 %, 1234 m). Chris Horner ("63.5 kg"): 43:07, 17.81 Kph, VAM 1717 m/h, 5.88 W/kg [CPL / "full drafting"].

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/378933167400292353

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily

#LaVuelta, Stage 20. Angliru (steepest 6.52 km, 13.36 %, 871 m). Chris Horner ("63.5 kg"): 28:06, 13.92 Kph, VAM 1870 m/h, 6.39 W/kg [CPL].

 

[hrotha]

Not so sure of this now. Not sure at all

You're not sure because of something you've heard since then, or because of what Horner is doing?

 

[Digger]

Semnoz. 31 min 47

Froome: 6.0-6.1 w/kg
Quintana : 6.25-6.34 W/kg

Today was 43 minutes and Horner was likely in the 6.3-6.7 range....depending on what weight you believe. He was 7 w/kg yesterday for 16:44. He was @6.5 w/kg for the steepest part of the climb (28:06)

Horner would have smoked them

Not true.
5.88 w/kg for all....6.39 for steepest part.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Do they really sound any more confident than Armstrong did?

Yea. Armstrong's mantra was mostly "never tested positive." He was famous for answering the question about whether he doped with "never tested positive." He may have said he would never test positive, but mostly he deflected.

Froome and Horner are not deflecting. I think they are taking something they seriously believe will never be detected. It's just a personal observation though.

 

[Race Radio]

You're not sure because of something you've heard since then, or because of what Horner is doing?

Not sure because something I have heard

 

[BroDeal]

The reason Froome's fans are so angry with Horner is that they know he would have dropped Froome and Quintana.....spanked them

The reason they are so angry is that Horner exposes them all for fools for being dumb enough to believe that it is different this time. All that idiocy they parroted to defend Wiggins and Froome just blew up in their faces and they know everyone is laughing at them.

 

[Digger]

The reason Froome's fans are so angry with Horner is that they know he would have dropped Froome and Quintana.....spanked them

Where in the name of God are you getting this theory from...the reason they are so angry is the same as it's been for decades...everyone else dopes but our boy...
Secondly I don't know what you are basing it on that he would have beaten them...your watts/kg were out for today anyway.

 

[sniper]

The reason they are so angry is that Horner exposes them all for fools for being dumb enough to believe that it is different this time. All that idiocy they parroted to defend Wiggins and Froome just blew up in their faces and they know everyone is laughing at them.

this indeed.

not sure why RR thinks that Horner would have kicked Froome's ***.
Also not sure why RR puts Quintana on one level with Froome.
Froome was on a level of his own througout the Tdf and never had to go really deep.
The TdF wasn't a contest. The vuelta was.
Horner had to refill, froome didn't.

 

[Race Radio]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/378935758792310784


https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/378933167400292353

Note there are lots of estimates flying around (Vetoo's are the best) Vayer had him at 420 which I think is too high.

Horner is not 63.5kg, he is 62 or less. Using Vetoo's numbers that puts him at 6.55+ w/kg for 28 minutes.

Actual numbers should come out in the next few days. Even if Horner does not release his numbers Vetoo will still be able to make accurate calculations based on the multiple other riders SRM files he gets.

 

[Juan Speeder]

Let me get this straight.

Horner is doped to the gills, but not so much that he'll test positive.

Everyone else is equally as doped.

Didn't he just win against his peers?

While almost 42?

 

[Netserk]

Let me get this straight.

Horner is doped to the gills, but not so much that he'll test positive.

Everyone else is equally as doped.

Didn't he just win against his peers?

While almost 42?

There is no such thing as that.

 

[Digger]

I find it interesting that Nibali was so close to Horner - when he got his a** handed to him in the tour last year by Wiggins and Froome...and before anyone says it, he was also beaten in the mountains by them.

 

[Samson777]

Let me get this straight.

Horner is doped to the gills, but not so much that he'll test positive
Everyone else is equally as doped.

Didn't he just win against his peers?

While almost 42?

How much do you need to dope to test positive??

 

[roundabout]

I find it interesting that Nibali was so close to Horner - when he got his a** handed to him in the tour last year by Wiggins and Froome...and before anyone says it, he was also beaten in the mountains by them.

Horner put something like 2 minutes into Nibali on 1st category finishes.

Froome 30 seconds, but he was held back by his Sky masters

 

[Hugh Januss]

I find it interesting that Nibali was so close to Horner - when he got his a** handed to him in the tour last year by Wiggins and Froome...and before anyone says it, he was also beaten in the mountains by them.

At the end of the TDF Rodriquez and Valverde were a cumulative 15:32 farther behind Froome than they are behind Horner in this race. On the other hand everyone's numbers are up. Cleaner days are over.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Horner put something like 2 minutes into Nibali on 1st category finishes.

Froome 30 seconds, but he was held back by his Sky masters

All I'm sayin' is that Froome may not have an easy Tour next year, especially if RR is right about Horner going to the new Alonso team.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

froome didn't.

So at least he was clean for 1/3 of the race.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

How much do you need to dope to test positive??

It depends what you take. I guess you could refill any time & as much you want as long your personal passport guru manages the numbers for you. It might even get you a zero at the suspicion list.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Horner put something like 2 minutes into Nibali on 1st category finishes.

Froome 30 seconds, but he was held back by his Sky masters

So in the end it will be an epic battle between the Chrises. Too sad no Alpe next year. Pantanis record would be in deep danger.