The Climb (Froome's first autobiography)

[martinvickers]

Dude....take a pill and chill out.

I'm perfectly chilled.

 

[The Hitch]

I know most of the guys in the clinic like hating on Brad for anything, but be very difficult to put some evedinece on him being responsible for Tommy's death, as he wasn't even conceived at the time

Err read the thread. It was one of wiggos fans who said fans are responsible for deaths of riders. Brad as a Vino, Armstrong, Contador, Basso apologist + a defender of Simpson and praiseful of Pantani, is by vickers standards possibly the most guilty rider in the peloton, not by ours.

 

[the sceptic]

Will a mod ever see this thread? the blood on the hands stuff is *** and doesnt even belong in this thread.

 

[martinvickers]

Are f1 fans responsible for crashes that happen there. Hell are we all have responsible for crashes in cycling?

What an utter non sequitor. Are crashes deliberate? Are crashes cheating?

But ok, let's work an example.

Williams and Mercedes discover a new superfuel outside regulations. It adds countless mph to the car, but it seriously messes with traction control, and increases the risk of crashing exponentially.

FIA weight it up, and ban the fuel.

Mercedes continue to use it, using some additive to beat FIA tests. Lots of fans are pretty sure the now unbeatable Mercs are on the raging red, hell, maybe they were even caught buying the stuff, but the fans just love those flash red cars, and are enjoying making red bull look like donkeys. The red caps are selling like hotcakes. Fabulous stuff. Maybe Williams start using the raging red. Hell, 'everybody's at it'.

And then Rosberg ploughs into a wall at monaco, and blows himself to smithereens.

You think those Merc fans wouldn't feel some guilt? shouldn't?

And that's fuel in a car, not drugs in a body which is significantly more unpleasant.

Some crashes in cycling just happen. Most, probably. But there's always a Riviere. That wouldn't make me feel too good about supporting Riviere's doping, knowing it contributed to his crash, and his life in a wheelchair.

But then, that's maybe just me, eh?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Will a mod ever see this thread? the blood on the hands stuff is *** and doesnt even belong in this thread.

Dude. It wasn't the peloton that made Lance dope, it was the fans.

 

[mrhender]

Whoa....this thread went way off on a tangent while I was asleep....gone is the fun and witty banter about how terrible the book is and how inconsistent the stories are from Froome and co.

Shame really it was a brilliant thread and the source of many of my lols and smiles.

Unfortunately i have to agree.

While I am no "multiple" poster here I do like to read posts in this forum.
Mostly because of various posters contribution with things I might have a hard time getting "my hands on" in other ways.

Furthermore I appreciate the discussions between posters that adds to the understanding of the complexivity this sport contains with all its wonders and flaws..

In my honest opinion this is a place that needs being taking care of, as I do believe many as me "like to be here"

I have no right to tell others what to post..
But as a member I do enjoy and appreciate a respectful discussion in which I find postings a mostly made..

Some would might say that if my only contrubution to this thread is to make an appeal of poster behaviour the i should f...k of...

Point taken in advance...

However I get the feeling that I am not the only one following this forum mostly from the sideline but appreciate it a lot.
Pont beeing that maybe some people would post more and add to the diversity of the forum if one not got the impression that they could end up in "trouble" (as in a personal bickering/semantics and/or morality/worth OF THE POSTER)

This post is way off topic and I apologize for that..

Guys and girls

You have more fans than you know -Just sayin!

 

[the sceptic]

Dude. It wasn't the peloton that made Lance dope, it was the fans.

Gotta give some credit to vickers. He knows how to ruin threads and make everything about him rather than the topic.

But if he actually means the stuff he is posting he should seek professional help.

 

[martinvickers]

So what, based on that there is less doping in 100m

Martin, you do realize there are like 10 cyclists if not more for every 100m sprinter.

On the contrary, I think doping in athletics is quite likely much worse than in cycling at the moment - which was not the case probably since the end of the east germans.

 

[martinvickers]

Here's the truth of why MV started his whole BS about blood: he can not stand the fact people appreciate Contador, but dislike his beloved Sky.

And the truth of why people do dislike Sky and appreciate Contador.

I thought it was winter in Australia?

Because I can only assume heatstroke as the reason for writing such ludicrous and biased bilge.

 

[Sciocco]

Unfortunately i have to agree.

While I am no "multiple" poster here I do like to read posts in this forum.
Mostly because of various posters contribution with things I might have a hard time getting "my hands on" in other ways.

Same here I agree with you, though my reasons may differ somewhat in that I read the clinic while at work and refuse to log into my account on a work computer.

 

[The Hitch]

What an utter non sequitor. Are crashes deliberate? Are crashes cheating?

No. Is dying deliberate?

I know you'll give some insult laden 90% meaningless 1000 word rebute, but your logic here is shocking.

Crashes are the sideeffect of fast racing.

Just like dying is (or rather can be in about 0.00001% of cases) a sideefect of doping.

No one here is supporting dying. Hell no one is even supporting doping. A few people privately cheer for riders who happen to have doped.

You say they are enabling the doping and by extention the dying, and are therefore responsible for it?

Well then, aren't the millions who tune in to watch guys with heads sticking out of vehicles, zoom past corners at 100 mph where any slight mechanical could lead to death, enabling that?

Let me answer for you. By your logic - yes.

 

[The Hitch]

A ridiculous position. Doping is a choice. It's not the automatic default position across sport, no matter how common it got in certain sports at certain times. Following the sport on its own is no such incentive. A ludicrously reductionist charade of an argument.

You seem to bizzarely think that riders dope to win the support of internet fans they will never meet.

Wrong.

They dope to win competitions and win the money. They prefer not to get caught in the process as it means they get to keep most of the money.

By watching cycling you ensure that there is a bigger prize pot at the end and therefore a bigger incentive to dope, and a higher financial booty with which to co-opt doping doctors and providers.

That's what fascilitates doping.

Not some fangirl with a poster and an internet connection.

But I guess thats a bit too complicated right?

 

[martinvickers]

You seem to bizzarely think that riders dope to win the support of internet fans they will never meet.

Wrong.

They dope to win competitions and win the money. They prefer not to get caught in the process as it means they get to keep most of the money.

By watching cycling you ensure that there is a bigger prize pot at the end and therefore a bigger incentive to dope, and a higher financial booty with which to co-opt doping doctors and providers.

That's what fascilitates doping.

Not some fangirl with a poster and an internet connection.

But I guess thats a bit too complicated right?

And that shows the fundamental dishonesty in your argument. Because you know as well as I do, the foundation of rider pay is f all to do with prize money, it's individual team sponsorship.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

And that shows the fundamental dishonesty in your argument. Because you know as well as I do, the foundation of rider pay is f all to do with prize money, it's individual team sponsorship.

Please stop with the pedantic posts. You know that Hitch's reference to a "prize pot" is the collective pool compensation available, the vast majority of which is through salaries which are funded primarily by sponsorships exactly as you state. The substance of his statement is true.

 

[martinvickers]

Please stop with the pedantic posts. You know that Hitch's reference to a "prize pot" is the collective pool compensation available, the vast majority of which is through salaries which are funded primarily by sponsorships exactly as you state.

It's not remotely pedantic. It's a very significant difference.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

It's not remotely pedantic. It's a very significant difference.

...that I guess 99.9% of the readers of this forum would have interpreted correctly. If you feel that it's critical to address the 1 out of 1000 who might have taken it literally, then have at it.

 

[msjett]

I thought it was winter in Australia?

Because I can only assume heatstroke as the reason for writing such ludicrous and biased bilge.

Depending on where you live in Australia you can still get heat stroke in winter.

 

[thehog]

Getting the thread back on track.... and speaking of blood on his hands.... Here's an excerpt from the book at the end of the 2011.

Froome appears to believe that he is leader and not Wiggins.

 

[msjett]

OMG!! This guy is so far up his own ****....One performance of note and he clearly thinks he should be the team leader....also if he was on another team he could beat Wiggo....

However I will ask the question, wasn't there a story out there that BMC wanted him and that ****ed Cadel off?

 

[42x16ss]

It's not remotely pedantic. It's a very significant difference.

It's a hugely significant difference.

To someone vortexing the entire flipping thread

 

[martinvickers]

...that I guess 99.9% of the readers of this forum would have interpreted correctly. If you feel that it's critical to address the 1 out of 1000 who might have taken it literally, then have at it.

The whole argument he makes is predicated on the narrow meaning. The broader meaning is incompatible with the argument he makes. So yes, it's significant, and needs to be pointed out.

 

[martinvickers]

Depending on where you live in Australia you can still get heat stroke in winter.

Well, that explains it then!

Get well soon, Dear Wiggo. Nasty business, sunstroke.

 

[msjett]

Well, that explains it then!

Get well soon, Dear Wiggo. Nasty business, sunstroke.

Please discuss the book or go away...you are ruining it for the rest of us.

 

[martinvickers]

Please discuss the book or go away...you are ruining it for the rest of us.

Ignore button is your friend.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Depending on where you live in Australia you can still get heat stroke in winter.

31 degrees C in Darwin today, apparently.