The Climb (Froome's first autobiography)

[42x16ss]

And the castles. I love the castles, and watch the TdF for them as much as anything else. Castles and TT bikes.

Mont St Michel must have been Dear Wiggo heaven

 

[sittingbison]

Mont St Michel must have been Dear Wiggo heaven

Certainly was'nt Real Wiggo heaven

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador has thrown the clean card before lying out through his teeth with a big FU to the sport crossing the line that day in Madrid to win the Vuelta. You go on about "not liked being lied to" as a stick to beat Froome with and then have a support base for a guy who has done it numerous times before. According to the above, Brailsford's and Froome's biggest mistake is that they weren't more like Riis and Contador. They would get an easier time. Baffling stuff.

Ready for 4 fingers on the Champs gooner?

 

[Tinman]

And the castles. I love the castles, and watch the TdF for them as much as anything else. Castles and TT bikes.

Fairies. Fields of fairies for me.

 

[jens_attacks]

Fairies. Fields of fairies for me.

alpine passses and the shots of the moto from behind of peloton showing riders dropped on first mountain stages. and big ring attacks. that's enough for me.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Contador is doping but he's not shoving "I'm clean" in my face every day. Froome is doping and he and Sky and his girlfriend and his fans are shoving "I'm clean" in my face every day.

That's the main difference.

Interesting that you feel the ongoing Froome campaign is worse than Contador's "dodgy steak" defence. Admittedly the steak defence was a one-off, but it was an insult to the intelligence of cycling followers.

That said, I've always liked Berto and I hope he dishes it out to Froome in the Tour, if only so we can track the timing of Bert's BBQs throughout the race!

 

[hrotha]

All those people saying Contador doesn't play the "I'm clean" card have obviously not been paying attention. But maybe if it occurs in the Spanish media it never happened.

 

[MBotero]

The sport is full dopers and teams management who were dopers.

This seems to be a problem at least for me,Sky and Froome are attracting all the heat,of course that idiotic PR crap doesn't make them any good,but the other teams and raiders are treated with different measures.

 

[Netserk]

@gooner

Do you think it's possible to be 'truly' anti-doping and cheer for a rider you suspect is a doper?

 

[peloton]

This seems to be a problem at least for me,Sky and Froome are attracting all the heat,of course that idiotic PR crap doesn't make them any good,but the other teams and raiders are treated with different measures.

Tell me which other teams are claiming 'full transparency' and 'Zero Tolerance Policy' while spouting nonsense like 'marginal gains'?

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting that you feel the ongoing Froome campaign is worse than Contador's "dodgy steak" defence. Admittedly the steak defence was a one-off, but it was an insult to the intelligence of cycling followers.

That said, I've always liked Berto and I hope he dishes it out to Froome in the Tour, if only so we can track the timing of Bert's BBQs throughout the race!

Until the 'steak defence' Bertie was not giving it all "I am clean", unlike Froome(MC & Sky) who has been telling everyone at every opportunity.

 

[hrotha]

Until the 'steak defence' Bertie was not giving it all "I am clean", unlike Froome(MC & Sky) who has been telling everyone at every opportunity.

Wrong. As early as Puerto, he sent an "I'M CLEANS Y'ALL" letter for cycling media to publish.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Until the 'steak defence' Bertie was not giving it all "I am clean", unlike Froome(MC & Sky) who has been telling everyone at every opportunity.

But does one "steak defence" trump an ongoing campaign of "I'm clean" in terms of reasons to dislike a doper? (Assuming for sake of argument that Froome is a doper.)

 

[MBotero]

Tell me which other teams are claiming 'full transparency' and 'Zero Tolerance Policy' while spouting nonsense like 'marginal gains'?

These things normally should be taken lightly,more like a PR stuff,but it looks like a lot of people takes this way too serious.

 

[Publicus]

I thought this was a thread about Chris Froome's book? When did it become the "only non-Contador fans can speculate about Chris Froome's doping" thread?

For the record I found it absolutely hilarious that Contador took a poke at Froome's "How's the coffee Alberto?" comment (and Jesus Hernandez). Froome was a moron for writing this type of crap about a competitor--I haven't seen evidence of this type of narcissism (in a pro cyclist) since the Armstrong days. I'm all for a professional athlete being confident in his abilities, but to me Froome (Walsh) have taken it too far.

I can't wait until Contador actually writes a book (presumably after he retires). He has a far more interesting story to tell IMO.

 

[The Hitch]

Sigh.

Context. The Cafe not the Clinic.

That was a discussion on Spain's achievements where some(like yourself) were playing it down and others were saying it was the death of tiki-taka. I disagreed with that and put my point as to why they succeeded in the past and why they failed in this tournament. Interestingly, you never mentioned anything about doping playing a big part in their success in your own post which was one of the posts that initiated my response in the quote that you mention above(BTW it was far a longer post as well). You know full well it was entirely a non-doping related discussion.

I had a disagreement on twitter on this with Graham Hunter who covers Spanish football closely and was a correspondent on Spain for UEFA and FIFA in those Euro and World Cup success. I hope all this comes out in relation to Fuentes with football and the blood bags getting destroyed stinks. I have been critical of Sociedad on this forum and the British media for failing to question John Toshack. Likewise Juventus in the Clinic after that Dutch documentary last year. I also highlighted why the French Senate were announcing the 98 positives and weren't disclosing anything in relation to football after they interviewed Deschamps. I can post links to these posts if you wish. Only a few days back I criticised the differing reaction to cortisone and painkilling use in football compared to what we see in cycling. To come to the conclusion that I'm somehow not against doping in football couldn't be further from the truth.

The bulk of Spain's success has been based mainly on the Barca players and this is a team that bounced Arsenal out of the Champions League two seasons running in 2010 and 2011. The Le Monde article was out in 2006 with Barca links to Fuentes, they same year they beat Arsenal in the Champions League. To then say as an Arsenal fan that I would be ignorant to these guys possibly doping themselves to the gills is absurd

If I discuss Contador, F.Schleck, Valverde or Luigi in the PRR section, it's done in relation to their cycling ability and predicting how they do in a race. If there's a thread discussing Cancellara's achievements on the cobbles and I'm a part of it, it's done in a non-doping related discussion. That's context and is similar to the the World Cup thread in the Cafe.



I wasn't even referring to you anyway.



I don't care if it's Froome with one year at the top and a book or Contador at the top for a longer spell. That doesn't mean anything in analysing what lies they spout. Contador's answer to Kimmage was done in front of the world's media at the Tour pre-race press conference. I suppose his 7 finger GT winner salute crossing the line in the Vuelta in Madrid was done in front of 10 people too.

You know what. Fair enough. You and I ain't that far apart on this.

But I don't see contadors 7 finger salute to be that bad. He has to live the lie that he never doped.

He can't stick 5 fingers up, or ar any point claim he accepts his lost gts, or his own fans would turn on him.

I'm not attacking dopers for not voluntarily confessing they dope. I don't expect them to, no more than I expect my enemies in war to surrender without a fight.

Contadors done worse than that.

But gooner and hrotha, as I've said before, what sky do that's particularly anger inducing, that Contador and others have not, is not the claiming they are clean per se, but the insinuations that others are not, and that they themselves are pioneers of anti doping.

Contador to my knowledge just says, I don't dope. I'm clean. Instead he's the best because he's the best, is all.

But there's no extremely insulting bull**** about his opponents being lazy. Doesn't put down his rivals by explaining how they don't train as hard as him. No nonsense about being the only team that hires scientists. No arrogant claims about being the only rider who experiments with equipment and children stories about how every experiment always works out. He's never boasted about possessing unparalleled tactical prowess, even though contador actually is probably the best tactical rider in the world and one of the best ever.
Worst of all, contador hasn't claimed that riders that don't race his style, are doping. He has never scapegoated other riders. And even bjarne Riis has not stooped low enough to claim, like db has, that everyone in cycling was doping until he came along and that this gave him the opportunity to focus on science when everyone else was still focused on doping. And so on.

It's one thing to dope and cheat and lie, and contador has done all these things. But to in the process put down and insult pretty much everyone else. While addressing your own fans to talk bad about everyone like that.

Hell even if they were all lazy instead of sky, which we know is not true, what is this preschool? Be a ****ing man. You think they are all lazy, good for you, it means you'll win the next 5 tdfs. But that's not enough for this mob. They have to put down others to feel big about themselves.

That's another level and it's really unpleasant behaviour.

 

[Parker]

Why did everyone love Indurain? Because he was truly tranquillo. Decent guy who doped. No over-the-top denials, no attacking other riders, just did what he did. You can judge him however you like, no worries. Froome NEEDS you to believe him. Armstrong NEEDED you to believe him. Needy sucks. Tranquillo doesn't. If those are my choices, it's easy.

But surely the most needy are those that post on the internet almost every single day that they are doping. Every day you and others are here retreading the same old material to an audience of little more than each other. You're devoting a lot of your time to something that really doesn't effect you. The need is mostly with you. If you don't get that 'I told you so' moment then all that time is wasted. Needy doesn't do it justice, desperate is more apt.

You claim that Froome says he's clean and throws it in your faces. But the times he says he's clean are outnumbered a hundred fold by the times you says he's not. He least it's his life. And barely anyone is listening to you anyway.

 

[msjett]

Anybody know what the sales figures are on this book? Number 1 best seller or is it headed straight for the bargain bin?

 

[hrotha]

Hitch, I don't dispute what you say about the difference between Froome and Contador, I was merely addressing others who plainly and unambiguously said Contador didn't advertise his being clean as part of a PR campaign.

 

[Parker]

For the record I found it absolutely hilarious that Contador took a poke at Froome's "How's the coffee Alberto?" comment (and Jesus Hernandez).

I doubt that had anything to do with Froome. Contador and Hernandez post pictures of themselves having coffee every month.

 

[the sceptic]

But what's your point?

The sport is full dopers and teams management who were dopers.

You appear to be blaming the clinic because Froome has been found out? Yes?

Froome has gone from clean to "not sure" to doper with a TUE in just a year or so. Its hard to take in all at once. Froome fans will have to come to terms with the fact that they are supporting a doper too, and stop with the outrage over people chosing to support other dopers.

Or they could start supporting the clean Horner instead of course.

 

[Publicus]

I doubt that had anything to do with Froome. Contador and Hernandez post pictures of themselves having coffee every month.

That's your opinion, and ordinarily I would share it, but here's why I think you are wrong:

Alberto ContadorVerified account
‏@albertocontador
Entrenamiento suave hoy tras una dura @dauphine .Bonito dia. @iamspecialized #TarmacSL5

Alberto's tweet from a few days ago post-Dauphine (translation: Easy day of training after hard Dauphine; Beautiful Day)

Jesus Hernandez ‏@jesushernandez3 Jun 16 View translation
“@albertocontador: Entrenamiento suave hoy tras una dura @dauphine .Bonito dia. @iamspecialized #TarmacSL5 pic.twitter.com/Lh9mt5FavT”/y coffe!!

Jesus Hernandez's tweet copying Alberto's adds two words: "And Coffee!!" (I've corrected his spelling)

So you're entitled to your opinion to the contrary, these two tweets (from June 16th I believe) lead me to believe that he's tweaking Froome's nose a bit (or whomever runs his twitter account).

 

[thehog]

Froome has gone from clean to "not sure" to doper with a TUE in just a year or so. Its hard to take in all at once. Froome fans will have to come to terms with the fact that they are supporting a doper too, and stop with the outrage over people chosing to support other dopers.

Or they could start supporting the clean Horner instead of course.

Well when it dawns upon the bots that Froome is obviously doping they start making noise about Contador.

Bot logic at work

Anyone seen Walsh? I'm starting to worry about him. Hope he's alright. How do you mend a broken heart?

 

[Netserk]

He's never boasted about possessing unparalleled tactical prowess, even though contador actually is probably the best tactical rider in the world and one of the best ever.

I almost fell down laughing when I read that

Contador is many things, but a tactical master mind is not one of them. He is brave and he insists and is often good to attack at the right time, but his tactics are average. Good for him that he often has a radio in the ear and the strongest legs.

 

[gillan1969]

But surely the most needy are those that post on the internet almost every single day that they are doping. Every day you and others are here retreading the same old material to an audience of little more than each other. You're devoting a lot of your time to something that really doesn't effect you. The need is mostly with you. If you don't get that 'I told you so' moment then all that time is wasted. Needy doesn't do it justice, desperate is more apt.

You claim that Froome says he's clean and throws it in your faces. But the times he says he's clean are outnumbered a hundred fold by the times you says he's not. He least it's his life. And barely anyone is listening to you anyway.

@parker. He throws it in our face every time he puts his leg over his bike....