The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[sniper]

Re: Re:

You don't even need the UCI to get involved. What if someone steals your bikes and the whole thing is revealed?

"Hi, we're the guys that just stole all of [insert team name here]'s bikes. Thought we'd let you know we found some motors in them when we sold them off..."
Don't think so...

You're right, information is only conveyed through official channels, signed and stamped.

so what? his point is valid.
Who's gonna steal bikes, then check them for tiny motors, and then sing to the CIRC/UCI or a newspaper? And what newspaper would publish a story provided by a burgler? Your scenario seems pretty farfetched.
And in the unlikely case that anything would come out through unofficial channels, what we'd end up with is another rumor, of the Cassani type.
and not even you seem to attach any value to such rumors, let alone the UCI.

 

[sniper]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/c...tion-is-that-this-is-a-very-real-possibility/

UCI technical chief Jean Wauthier told the Belgian daily newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws that he didn’t believe Cancellara would use a motor.

“The risk is simply too big. For him, his team and the bike manufacturers. A champion like Cancellara would not take that risk.”

glad we have that settled.
good.
grief.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/c...tion-is-that-this-is-a-very-real-possibility/

UCI technical chief Jean Wauthier told the Belgian daily newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws that he didn’t believe Cancellara would use a motor.

“The risk is simply too big. For him, his team and the bike manufacturers. A champion like Cancellara would not take that risk.”

glad we have that settled.
good.
grief.

Just look at those eyes. Those are clean eyes. Those are a champion's eyes.

 

[SkyTears]

huge article in l'Equipe
very huge

Contador mentioned a lot ....

remember all those very often weird bike changes near the end of the race ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

huge article in l'Equipe
very huge

Contador mentioned a lot ....

remember all those very often weird bike changes near the end of the race ?

Not weird, lighter bike for final climb

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

huge article in l'Equipe
very huge

Contador mentioned a lot ....

remember all those very often weird bike changes near the end of the race ?

Not weird, lighter bike for final climb. And Contador is mentioned twice, once regarding using his own wheels in the 2009 Tour ITT and once stating he is often nervous during bike checks.

 

[hrotha]

It wouldn't make sense to change to a lighter bike when the first one was probably already at the legal limit. A bike with specific gears for a particularly tough climb, maybe. It is something that has definitely raised some eyebrows before, although people probably had weight cheating in mind rather than motors.

 

[sniper]

does anyone have a link to a non-paywal version?
Contador being nervous at checks, who made that observation?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It wouldn't make sense to change to a lighter bike when the first one was probably already at the legal limit. A bike with specific gears for a particularly tough climb, maybe. It is something that has definitely raised some eyebrows before, although people probably had weight cheating in mind rather than motors.

Hmm I thought maybe a heavier bike for the descents. Could also be a gear thing. I don't know.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I believe the gear thing is more likely.


Its akin to how in some specific TT's riders will switch between a road bike for a climb portion and a TT bike for a flat section. (or vice versa)

 

[sniper]

http://www.wat.tv/video/cycliste-italie ... exyh_.html

 

[sniper]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-rout ... con/547773

 

[sniper]

In Cassani's demonstration bike the activation button is precisely there (on the side of the steering wheel) where it c/would have been activated the way Hesjedal's bike fell on the asphalt.
anybody check that Hesjedal footage again (in the l'Equipe link above) and tell me it aint suspect.

p.s. would be grateful for a link to the full l'Equipe article, or a brief summary of the most important bits. LaFlorecita? SkyTears?

 

[ray j willings]

Wheels can make a big difference to the way a bike feels. So a bike switch with climbing wheels could help some riders. Most teams need to add weight to comply with regs so that is not such an issue. Froome was riding with some ax lightness wheels well under a 1000grms "Pina is a heavy frame compered to the rest of the peloton" and Ulrich was famous for using lightweight wheels again well under a 1000grms
Every time I see all that footage of Fabien I just don't see anything else but a doped bike.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

In Cassani's demonstration bike the activation button is precisely there (on the side of the steering wheel) where it c/would have been activated the way Hesjedal's bike fell on the asphalt.
anybody check that Hesjedal footage again (in the l'Equipe link above) and tell me it aint suspect.

p.s. would be grateful for a link to the full l'Equipe article, or a brief summary of the most important bits. LaFlorecita? SkyTears?

Sorry I don't have anything, just bits of info here and there

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

In Cassani's demonstration bike the activation button is precisely there (on the side of the steering wheel) where it c/would have been activated the way Hesjedal's bike fell on the asphalt.
anybody check that Hesjedal footage again (in the l'Equipe link above) and tell me it aint suspect.

p.s. would be grateful for a link to the full l'Equipe article, or a brief summary of the most important bits. LaFlorecita? SkyTears?

Sorry I don't have anything, just bits of info here and there

cheers.
do you know who's the source of the statement that Contador is nervous for bike checks?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

In Cassani's demonstration bike the activation button is precisely there (on the side of the steering wheel) where it c/would have been activated the way Hesjedal's bike fell on the asphalt.
anybody check that Hesjedal footage again (in the l'Equipe link above) and tell me it aint suspect.

p.s. would be grateful for a link to the full l'Equipe article, or a brief summary of the most important bits. LaFlorecita? SkyTears?

Sorry I don't have anything, just bits of info here and there

cheers.
do you know who's the source of the statement that Contador is nervous for bike checks?

I got it from this guy
https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/583573866561327104
just asked if he knows who the source is.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

In Cassani's demonstration bike the activation button is precisely there (on the side of the steering wheel) where it c/would have been activated the way Hesjedal's bike fell on the asphalt.
anybody check that Hesjedal footage again (in the l'Equipe link above) and tell me it aint suspect.

p.s. would be grateful for a link to the full l'Equipe article, or a brief summary of the most important bits. LaFlorecita? SkyTears?

Sorry I don't have anything, just bits of info here and there

cheers.
do you know who's the source of the statement that Contador is nervous for bike checks?

I got it from this guy
https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/583573866561327104
just asked if he knows who the source is.

OK. The article literally states Contador appeared very nervous and "attacked" the UCI commissaire who wanted to check the dimensions of his bike, during the 2013 TDF in Chorges. No source mentioned so I assume it's just a fact.

 

[sniper]

appreciate it, LaFlo!
Doesn't sound very damning per se. But I'll comment on it after reading it myself tomorrow perhaps.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The Hesjedal incident honestly was an eye opener. That video that purports to "prove" that he didn't cheat was hilarious. The guy was holding on to the bars, whereas in the Hesjedal crash, the bike strted moving by itself.

The Cancellara "attacks" were just ridiculous.

 

[ray j willings]

If climbers did you use engines that would be really fu%%ed up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The Hesjedal incident honestly was an eye opener. That video that purports to "prove" that he didn't cheat was hilarious. The guy was holding on to the bars, whereas in the Hesjedal crash, the bike strted moving by itself.

On both occasions the bike rotates around the handlebars with the rear wheel touching the ground, I don't see the difference?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re: Re:

The Hesjedal incident honestly was an eye opener. That video that purports to "prove" that he didn't cheat was hilarious. The guy was holding on to the bars, whereas in the Hesjedal crash, the bike strted moving by itself.

On both occasions the bike rotates around the handlebars with the rear wheel touching the ground, I don't see the difference?

In the Rasmussen video, he is holding on to the handlebars.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

The Hesjedal incident honestly was an eye opener. That video that purports to "prove" that he didn't cheat was hilarious. The guy was holding on to the bars, whereas in the Hesjedal crash, the bike strted moving by itself.

On both occasions the bike rotates around the handlebars with the rear wheel touching the ground, I don't see the difference?

In the Rasmussen video, he is holding on to the handlebars.

Yes, I saw that, but I don't think it makes a difference? I might be wrong.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Re: Re:

The Hesjedal incident honestly was an eye opener. That video that purports to "prove" that he didn't cheat was hilarious. The guy was holding on to the bars, whereas in the Hesjedal crash, the bike strted moving by itself.

On both occasions the bike rotates around the handlebars with the rear wheel touching the ground, I don't see the difference?

In the Rasmussen video, he is holding on to the handlebars.

Yes, I saw that, but I don't think it makes a difference? I might be wrong.

If it doesn't make a difference why is he holding on to them? Wouldn't it be natural to run the experiment replicating the conditions that originally existed?

If I were trying to prove innocence, I'd run the exact same experiment in the exact same place.