There is an Austrian thread at the top of the Clinic forum. If Austrians deserve their own topic why there is no a Dutch doping thread yet? Come on: Jumbo Visma (with Roglic, WvA), MvdP, Annemiek van Vleuten !!! (oh! she trains together with male pros. how cool!), van der Breggen, Blaak, M. Vos - just in cycling. Note there is also the speed skating which became a Dutch internal affair over the last few years (like Norwegians is cross country skiing). No shame. I fear we are talking industrial like, hard core, doping here. Are the Dutch the new Americans, Russians or British in cycling? Or they are just lucky and they’ve just entered a golden era of their physical abilities as a nation? Just asking.