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Mayomaniac

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Reynard said:
Yeah that could be happening now although Kooij is the better prospect in my mind. But there are a lot of sprint options still there besides Jakobsen & Bora has the more valuable thing (a leadout) in place.

I think you have a better value to money trade off with Welsford. I don't think Ackermann is a target as he also moved away from pure sprinting and had the fallout with the Bora team. Mayrhofer and Walscheid would be to german options out of contract but they are not winning you GT sprints. So I think jakobsen is likely but maybe better to go for Welsford and use the rest of the Bennett money elsewhere. I think matt Walls experiment with WT racing will also come to a close so they could sign one of the german guys as secondary sprint option for smaller races.

With Healy of the market there are not that many targets there as well for a big upgrade on the classics/ mountain domestique front. Theres not a lot of Top 100 riders or big talents to sign. I see Tulett, Schmid and Vernon left as interesting targets. But we shouldn't forget that there are strong indications that they already signed Adria as a nice piece for one day races. If the colonel is an insider and they loose also Politt and Konrad they need some serious enforcements as there already weak spring racing squad looses there best performers of this year.
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IMO Walscheid's potential lies more in cobbled classics (mainly Paris-Roubaix) and potentially being a world class leadout man. His wattages are really high, but it's hard to built a sprint train for such a tall guy/find multiple guys that give him a decent slipstream to draft behind.
Welsford and Dainese are the cheaper options and I can see why they'd go for someone younger like Wesford. Dainese would be a good fit for a French team like Cofidis. They already have a few Italians and need a guy who can win gt sprints. You throw your money at either him or Jonathan Milan.
 
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Tulett to Jumbo is done, ugh..
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Not going to lie, just weird form Tulett himself, like why would he move already? Didn't get the chances he thought he would have? I'm sorry but then you were just not the smartest tool in the shed. Also why would he get more chances at Jumbo, they barely ride smaller races. Money? Doubt it. I just don't understand it at all.

Also what is Ineos doing, I don't get it. What is actually their plan? Why is everyone leaving?
 
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Samamba said:
Not going to lie, just weird form Tulett himself, like why would he move already? Didn't get the chances he thought he would have? I'm sorry but then you were just not the smartest tool in the shed. Also why would he get more chances at Jumbo, they barely ride smaller races. Money? Doubt it. I just don't understand it at all.

Also what is Ineos doing, I don't get it. What is actually their plan? Why is everyone leaving?
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I think your last question is the most relevant, since Tulett is not the only one. Is Ineos in some kind of trouble? Why would they let these promising young Brits go, it's not like they have a Pogacar or Vingegaard who is always going to be better. Of course they're free to sign somewhere else, but for someone like Tulett I really don't see the point.
 
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hahaha I mean if remco and van der Poel move to UAE we can close all other teams and just have two teams racing.

It's always easy to make the point that everything gets worse and so on but it really is sad that so much of the Top Level talent is concentrated in two team and the rest are just props in a lot of races.

Also I don't understand why guys like Kooij, Tulett and Jorgensen don't try to lead a smaller team but yeah money and gifted victories I guess...

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IMO Walscheid's potential lies more in cobbled classics (mainly Paris-Roubaix) and potentially being a world class leadout man. His wattages are really high, but it's hard to built a sprint train for such a tall guy/find multiple guys that give him a decent slipstream to draft behind.
Welsford and Dainese are the cheaper options and I can see why they'd go for someone younger like Wesford. Dainese would be a good fit for a French team like Cofidis. They already have a few Italians and need a guy who can win gt sprints. You throw your money at either him or Jonathan Milan.
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I think outside of paris-roubaix Walscheid is only a good leader to collect points in smaller belgian/french races. But that's not nothing, I could see him as a real target for teams like Bora/DSM who don't have good classic leaders to give them something more in the spring. For Bora he could be also part of a piecemeal solution for multiple open spots. He could be the the leader in some races as Boras 3rd sprinter (the Walls spot), could lead P-R (the Politt spot), be the last km guy for the sprint train /the Mullen role) or act as a road captain in the Vuelta (Benedetti isn't getting younger, Politt could leave, Koch also out of contract)

But as we saw with Kooij a lot can chance we probably have to wait a bit longer to get a clearer picture there.


For me the budget sprinter I would sign as a DS is Arvid De Kleijn. has a contraqct for 24, but Tudor is still not a WT team and won't get invites for the Tour and Vuelta (but maybe for the Giro). He can also sustain a few lumps and bumps in the course so also a good option for a wide selection of WT stage races.
 
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I remember an interview with Tulett, and Sky/Ineos were his dream team, where he wanted to end up. So, this is headscratching.....Has obviously been given promises about better opportunities.....

And after Gloag also went to JV after spending time at Trinity ( almost the unofficial Ineos U23 team).
 
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Mayomaniac said:
IMO Walscheid's potential lies more in cobbled classics (mainly Paris-Roubaix) and potentially being a world class leadout man. His wattages are really high, but it's hard to built a sprint train for such a tall guy/find multiple guys that give him a decent slipstream to draft behind.
Welsford and Dainese are the cheaper options and I can see why they'd go for someone younger like Wesford. Dainese would be a good fit for a French team like Cofidis. They already have a few Italians and need a guy who can win gt sprints. You throw your money at either him or Jonathan Milan.
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I think Dainese to Jayco AlUla would be a good move for both parties.
 
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Axel Hangleck said:
I remember an interview with Tulett, and Sky/Ineos were his dream team, where he wanted to end up. So, this is headscratching.....Has obviously been given promises about better opportunities.....

And after Gloag also went to JV after spending time at Trinity ( almost the unofficial Ineos U23 team).
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He has been with Ineos for two seasons, when this year is up. Maybe they just dont believe in his potential and think other riders are better options to invest in for the future.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
I don't know, with Groenewegen & Matthews he wouldn't get that many chances.
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Matthews will be 33 in September. He is more of an all-rounder these days. Not just a sprinter.

Groenewegen for the big bunch sprints, TdF and one-day races suited to sprinters.

Dainese should get plenty of chances in some semi-classics, going the Giro and other races.

Jayco has had a few Italians on their team recently and Zana been really great this year. Upped his level.

I think it would be a good fit.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
I expected Bora to throw big money at him, they'd already have a leadout man (Van Poppel) and a good train for him.
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For me Kooij to DSM seemed like the most logical choice. They are a Dutch team, he is Dutch and if they have any ambitions they are in dire need for riders that can score some points in the next couple of seaons. Kooij could have been an excellent choice for them.
 
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I think your last question is the most relevant, since Tulett is not the only one. Is Ineos in some kind of trouble? Why would they let these promising young Brits go, it's not like they have a Pogacar or Vingegaard who is always going to be better. Of course they're free to sign somewhere else, but for someone like Tulett I really don't see the point.
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Just clearing the decks ready for that big signing to win next years tour.
 
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yaco said:
Jayco would be better to get a versatile sprinter - Then they could split races with Groenewegen. They may be better to wait and get Groves back for 2025.
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The versatile one is still Matthews, I guess.

I feel like Dainese is a rider who could really start to bloom at another team than DSM. He was won a Giro-stage two years in a row and shown his potential. Ridden a few semi-classics and cobbles races. 4th La Samyn this year for example. He will be 26 next year and should have his best years right ahead of him.
 
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Bolder said:
Ineos could be paring back budgetwise. I know the pot of money seems unlimited but in reality it's not a Gulf State sovereign wealth fund. I also don't know what their GC future program looks like -- Carapaz didn't last; Arensmann seems very, very good, but still unproven; Tao is yet to repeat his Giro performance (injury, yes but still...), Thomas is aging, Bernal injured, Pidcock not committed to GC yet...so where do they look? I was certain C-Rod was their guy but he's likely to MS as noted...just goes to show how hard it is to land and keep a real GC threat.
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The should really focus on keeping guys like Tao, Tulett, Sheffield in addition to Pidcock who is already on a long term contract. Thomas is approaching the end of his career. Rodriguez, Sivakov and Martinez is also on expiring contracts, and loosing these guys (and not re-signing with Thomas) should be preferable to losing especially Tao and perhaps Tulett. Unless those two (mostly Tao) have some really high wage demands.
 
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