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It's fairly odd that both TGH and particularly Tullet both leaving, but then again Tullet is in with a fairly tough cohort in Sheffield, Turner, and Tarling and might just want a change of scenery, doubt it will be that much better for him at Jumbo but then again look what happened with Dunbar at Jayco. Sivakov and Martinez haven't really lived up to their potential at Ineos and might really use a change of scenery and might also see Dunbar as an example.

I think with Geoghan Hart you can see he might just want to headline his own team, he won a Grand Tour yet was still somewhat in the shadow of Thomas and Bernal. At Trek, he should have top billing and also maybe a bit more freedom, he seems like the cerebral type who has his own approach to training. Similarly, Rodriguez has been rumored to Movistar for over a year now, again probably for similar reasons, he would be the clear leader along with Mas and should have a clear run at least the Giro and something like shared leadership at the Vuelta, which Ineos couldn't promise him, particularly with TGH and Thomas still in the roster. His being a Spaniard makes it all the more straightforward.

It's something that has happened at Ineos before with the likes of Porte, Landa, or even Sosa. Young talented riders don't want to be domestiques forever and see routes to leadership elsewhere. But I mean, sure, that's also a lot of talent to lose over a couple of seasons, particularly if Thomas retires. Maybe Ineos manages to keep a couple of them if the ink isn't dry in their contracts, or maybe they are downsizing.

I'm curious to see what their Tour team looks like now. Sheffield and Ethan Hayter certainly need more time to recover. Rodriguez/Bernal/Martinez/Castroviejo/Pidcock are surely in barring the unexpected. Probably a couple of Fraile/Kwiato/Rowe, though the last two haven't really performed this year. Maybe they take Tullet if he's not yet gone or maybe Plapp who's only signed until next year as a show of confidence.
 
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Tbf though with Ineos, if you don't have a Tour winner (which they don't as long as Pogacar and Vingegaard are going at it), their budget is a massive overspend. It dwarves any other race for exposure so once you can't win it, lowering your budget is probably prudent.
 
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I said this time last year that there was very little evidence any more that Ineos were in the top tier of salary budgets. The only two star signings they made since Ratcliffe took over were Yates and Carapaz, and both left last summer. Nearly everyone they've bought in the last two years has been U-21 or younger, with the exceptions being Arensman, De Plus and Viviani.

The latter also indicates possible management issues, as it was completely inexplicable except in terms of team success. Dunbar has since emphatically broken the trend of riders stagnating/declining after leaving, and now Tullet/Rodrigues/Hart think their future lies elsewhere. Then of course, there's the failure to sign young British talents like Poole.

In short, they're in fairly rapid decline, albiet have had some bad luck in terms of Froome and Bernal's injuries. This is not what Sir Jim envisioned, and it looks like he's been cutting back investment accordingly. Whether the team even exists in a couple of years probably depends on his possible takeover of Man Utd.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
Could also be so simple that Tulett is having personal problems with some in the team (more likely staff than riders in that case) or that some of the staff has a problem with Tulett.
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Sometimes we just ignore the most simple explanation. Jumbo are simply offering more money. I’m sure Ineos would have liked to have kept Tulett but some of their riders are bound to receive higher offers elsewhere when they hit the open market.

The departures seem to be:

Tulett to Jumbo
Tao to Trek
Rodriguez to Movistar
Martinez to Bora
Sivakov to (French team?)

Ineos has a ridiculously deep roster of talent but ultimately lack someone who can compete with the very elite so in those circumstances it’s not surprising to see plenty of good riders leave every year.
 
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JRanton said:
Ineos has a ridiculously deep roster of talent but ultimately lack someone who can compete with the very elite so in those circumstances it’s not surprising to see plenty of good riders leave every year.
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Last year the roster was ridicuously deep. This year to a little less extent (only one quality rider in while four departed). Next year the squad could be on a pretty normalt WT level. With all the rumoured departures, it will certainly be far from being really deep any more.
 
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Anderis said:
I think you're exaggerating here quite a bit. I think they're still going to be one of the top 5 teams unless something extraordinary happens.
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Maybe. They could be top 5, but closer to the best of the rest than UAE, Jumbo and perhaps QS.

There are too many uncertain elements for the remaing riders in Ineos. Bernal has not fully recovered from injuries. Thomas is approaching the end of his career. Pidcock is still not fully comitted to road cycling. And Turner and Plapp are still more talents than developed riders.

I think Pidcock and perhaps Sheffield are pretty safe bets as future top riders. In addition Arensmen will be a good GC candidate and/or superdomestique. But besides these and Ganna I don't consider any of the other riders as very probably high scoring riders in the future.
 
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theyoungest said:
What's with all these Brits suddenly on Jumbo? Can't remember them ever signing a Brit, now suddenly they have 5 for next year (pros and development team combined)
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The national composition of the team doesn't have to remain constant throughout the years. EF used to have 0 or 1 Latin American riders for most of their history, now they have 7. There doesn't have to be any particular reason for it, the team just sign whoever they see fit.

UK has started producing more talents in recent years so it's natural there are more British riders among various teams. EF and FDJ have plenty, even though they didn't in the past.
 
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I want Ratcliffe to jump from Sir Dave's team to Plugge's. The Brits will get a name like Blanco or Highroad. the funding will be taken care of by Ratcliffe, like T-Mobile had to when they bailed out.
and we'll have WVA Rogla Froomegaard with an Ineos jersey. Wow
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theyoungest said:
What's with all these Brits suddenly on Jumbo? Can't remember them ever signing a Brit, now suddenly they have 5 for next year (pros and development team combined)
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$$$$$$$$; I mean there has to be investments from federations or elsewhere to pay the way for the endless number of GBR/AUS/NZL cyclists that go straight to all the best development teams, see FDJ for instance.
 
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What's with all these Brits suddenly on Jumbo? Can't remember them ever signing a Brit, now suddenly they have 5 for next year (pros and development team combined)
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I guess they've seen the potential from Gloag and want to get level with the other teams like Trinity, DSM and FDJ.
I'd think we'll see many more talented british first year u23 riders on the continent in the next years with BC stopping the u23 academy next season.
 
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Axel Hangleck said:
Jumbo have a U23/Development team, Ineos don't; so there is that. The only other team you would think they could go to is Trinity - maybe they're already full, or have no extra budget for more youngsters.

Though one wonders why Ineos don't invest in an U23 or a women's team - maybe they don't think it's worth it??
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They sort of had an excuse for a few years as Trinity/nee Wiggins were a de facto development team for them. But they missed Healy, and lost out to Jumbo on Gloag so that increasingly doesn't seem to be the case? Will be interesting to see where Nerurkar goes.

On the women's side, they had an opportunity to launch a team including Backstedt, and will again very soon with Ferguson. Both are CX riders so even more reason to sign them. On the face of it, they just seem to falling behind on so many fronts?
 
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DNP-Old said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1672279094233378816
View: https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/1672279094233378816


Replacing decent riders with mediocrity. Fecking hell, INEOS fell off hard.
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I mean, it's a depressing viewpoint, but the way I see it they're replacing riders who don't want to be domestiques with riders who already fought the law and realized that the law won. I actually think it's a bit of a Win-Win as far as Ineos, Verona, Foss, Martinez and Sivakov are concerned.

I'd guess that Ineos would want to keep either TGH or Carlos Rodriguez, preferably the former, but that's a different story. There's just no one available that can fly as a replacement unless they want to phone up the Daily Planet.
 
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carton said:
I mean, it's a depressing viewpoint, but the way I see it they're replacing riders who don't want to be domestiques with riders who already fought the law and realized that the law won. I actually think it's a bit of a Win-Win as far as Ineos, Verona, Foss, Martinez and Sivakov are concerned.

I'd guess that Ineos would want to keep either TGH or Carlos Rodriguez, preferably the former, but that's a different story. There's just no one available that can fly as a replacement unless they want to phone up the Daily Planet.
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I thought the whole point of Foss leaving Jumbo was that he doesn't want to be a domestique, but I could be wrong. He's like the ultimate example of someone who hasn't realized the law won :) (the law of gravity, in his case)
 
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