The holistic powers of Tenerife

[slowspoke]

As an ex swimmer, abet 15 years ago from my peak, all will did was peak for events. You had two or thress A races where you could PB and that was it, as you were training to hard to doing anything for the rest of the year. And as I understand it from from friends still swimming (and going to the olympics) its still how it's done. Unless its those squeaky clean Ozzy swimmers.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I wanted to continue this from a non-clinic thread and this subject seemed very much related...

With Wiggins form this year honestly every thread should be in the clinic that mentions his name. No joke. Armstrong himself couldn't script it any better even with Ferrari at the pointy end of the story pulling the right strings.

Can you name me a couple of stages where you have seen Wiggins ride this year where you were sure he was doping?

 

[pot belge]

I wanted to continue this from a non-clinic thread and this subject seemed very much related...


Can you name me a couple of stages where you have seen Wiggins ride this year where you were sure he was doping?

Pretty much every stage I have seen, even chasing down the break yesterday himself, makes him look like wonderboy...

The miracle of Tenerife!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Pretty much every stage I have seen, even chasing down the break yesterday himself, makes him look like wonderboy...

The miracle of Tenerife!

Every stage?

Lets take the Dauphine. Apart from the prologue and ITT, has he actually done anything?

And you also think, having followed his team for most of the stage, the fact that he could bridge a 10 sec gap was a sign he was doping?

 

[2008885]

Pretty much every stage I have seen, even chasing down the break yesterday himself, makes him look like wonderboy...

The miracle of Tenerife!

In the Dauphine, he's done a good time trial, otherwise all he's done is not fall off or get dropped going uphill - not really evidence of anything really.

 

[goggalor]

Gotta love the entire Sky team breathing through the nose...

 

[Ripper]

In the Dauphine, he's done a good time trial, otherwise all he's done is not fall off or get dropped going uphill - not really evidence of anything really.

To add from CN live coverage: "Sky are in a different league with this kind of performance".

Yes, the whole team just trains harder and smarter than the rest of the peloton. Does this sound too much like USP/Disco? If the whole team has peaked, that's one thing. If this is the same in July, it's a farce.

 

[rghysens]

To add from CN live coverage: "Sky are in a different league with this kind of performance".

Yes, the whole team just trains harder and smarter than the rest of the peloton. Does this sound too much like USP/Disco? If the whole team has peaked, that's one thing. If this is the same in July, it's a farce.

Why wait for july? it's already a farce.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

It will look ridiculous very soon.

 

[markene2]

It will look ridiculous very soon.

Was just going to post this.... They are starting to look like Postal/Disco

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

To add from CN live coverage: "Sky are in a different league with this kind of performance".

Yes, the whole team just trains harder and smarter than the rest of the peloton. Does this sound too much like USP/Disco? If the whole team has peaked, that's one thing. If this is the same in July, it's a farce.

Do not worry Andy will be there to show them!

 

[Ripper]

Why wait for july? it's already a farce.

Yes.

What do you think - more like USP or Gewiss?

 

[Ripper]

Do not worry Andy will be there to show them!

Rogers and Porte will chase him down.

 

[cineteq]

In the Dauphine, he's done a good time trial, otherwise all he's done is not fall off or get dropped going uphill - not really evidence of anything really.

The issue here is Porte, Rogers and Froome...not particularly Wiggins...for now...I'm very p****'d

 

[hrotha]

Yes.

What do you think - more like USP or Gewiss?

USP. But only because Gewissky doesn't sound half as good as UK Postal.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Porte-Wiggins group on Col de Joux-Plane (starting from the sharp bend) - 35 min 36 sec. VAM of 1603 m/hr (based on ascent of 981m) which equates to about 6.0 w/kg. Not too shabby for the likes of Porte and Rogers riding tempo.

10 characters.

 

[Bala Verde]

It's all about the butterfly. It certainly isn't a crawl.

 

[mb2612]

USP. But only because Gewissky doesn't sound half as good as UK Postal.

Gweiss Sky Gweiss works quite well.

 

[Ripper]

Gweiss Sky Gweiss works quite well.

Someone else beat me to it (Stingray34) - UKPS-Ballan.

 

[rghysens]

Yes.

What do you think - more like USP or Gewiss?

mmmm.... I relation to other teams more like gewiss. USP had Telekom as nemesis, I can't see any team keeping the same distance to UK postal as Telekom did to USP. If there were 4 or 5 USP riders leading the peloton in a mountain stage, there were also 3 Telekoms. I can't see any current team doing that when Sky hits the front come july. Well... maybe radioshack, if the Slecks decide they might as well win a mountain stage instead of wasting their whole season.
But in terms of general strategy and tactics more USP (gewiss was actually fun to watch, except in the spring of 1994). Cav can have some fun in sprints, but in other races everything is focussed on finetuning this biomedical experiment - cause this is how it looks.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

10 characters.

Shows how rubbish Sky are - all the other great doped teams went much quicker.

 

[roundabout]

I wouldn't jump up and scream doping over a rider holding about 6w/kg over 35 minutes but it is pretty interesting.

 

[hrotha]

I wouldn't jump up and scream doping over a rider holding about 6w/kg over 35 minutes but it is pretty interesting.

I wouldn't, over a rider. When it's four from the same team, including thoroughly unreliable climbers like Porte and Rogers, a guy who's pretty much the African-British Cobo and Wiggins, it raises some eyebrows.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I wouldn't, over a rider. When it's four from the same team, including thoroughly unreliable climbers like Porte and Rogers, a guy who's pretty much the African-British Cobo and Wiggins, it raises some eyebrows.

Well, its a shame we don't actually know what the wattage was.

3 riders never put their nose in the wind, and the other took a ride for the first half of the climb. If 6W/Kilo is the result of a simple VAM calculation (which tend to overstate steep climbs in any case) I consider is pretty likely that all 4 rode less than that.

 

[roundabout]

I wouldn't, over a rider. When it's four from the same team, including thoroughly unreliable climbers like Porte and Rogers, a guy who's pretty much the African-British Cobo and Wiggins, it raises some eyebrows.

It does. I certainly had a chuckle to myself when Sky had 4 out of 9. Still, for me it remains to be seen how fast the climbs will be in July.