THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION REPORT #1

[BullsFan22]

Re:

It is not a problem for Russian to go to Rio, I mean the state sponsored doping regime didn't win them as many golds as the nice Americans, clean British or those former communists, but now our friends Chinese.

IAAF made lots of money out of Russian. Dont kill the golden goose.

Remember that many people made tons of money out of 'stars' like Armstrong, Marion Jones, Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa (who could forget the 1998 homer run chase?), and many many more. Who is gonna get that money back? What about the time people spent glued to their tv screens or the plane tickets, the gas money, etc that was spent going to stadiums and spending money on hotels and camping and other things? Humans are easily manipulated and will believe just about anything. Maybe I've gone too far there, but it seems like that sometimes.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: $

........do you seriously think that other nations follow an 'eastern european' model in training........


$ will always be made.......the actual result/winner is not important......


Mark L

Who was this directed at?

 

[Freddythefrog]

At least somebody is standing up to be counted. Take the centre of the stage Craig, as we applaud you.

Headline in the Daily Telegraph printed edition caught my eye "WADA Chief: No shortcuts to Rio for Russia

"Country must be clean to compete, says Reedie

So wow, born again Reedie, no longer the guy who told the Chinese they have a great record of anti-doping or whatever it was that had me spitting out the cornflakes over breakfast earlier this year, now taking the tough line.

Then I read on a little . Still more good stuff “There is a clear, clear expectation that those bodies which have this respon­sibility will perform their responsibilities absolutely correctly, and everybody is going to have to be as clean as the driven snow before compliance is announced.”

Hold on but what is this on the next line ?

Reedie predicted that could take as long as six months.

What, let me just count Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb Mar April, but of course they could get organised and do it more quickly. Oh look it is a winter racing ban, exactly the sort of thing that the WADA code was brought in to cut out. Home nation federations deciding to "penalise" the star performer, the goose that laid the fed's golden egg, a whole 6 months ban from competition during a carefully selected period when nothing much went on. The justification being generally along the lines of, "Mr X is such a good bloke, wouldn't ever do drugs, must have been a contaminated supplement or something trivial".

With Reedie as our bulwark, we can rest safe. Those Ruskies are well sorted out now. Naughty boys and girls, they will have learnt their lesson by April.

The whole article is at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11997521/Russia-cannot-send-athletics-team-to-Rio-Olympic-Games-if-it-fails-to-fix-drugs-scandal-says-Wada-chief.html

although they give it another title. I also note that David Okeyo on of Coe's 27 strong council is subject to a police enquiry related to corruption. Presumably he was one of the ones who voted for the ban for Russia.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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"Country must be clean to compete, says Reedie

Hysterical.

Let's suppose for a moment that somehow, magically, Russia saw the light, changed their evil ways, and suddenly removed all PED use from all their athletes.

What of all the benefits gained from all that PED use thus far in the athletes careers?
All gone in the span of 6 months? Yeah, that sounds fair and reasonable.

If Russia is allowed to compete in Rio, they won't podium in one, single event if they were somehow only to send clean, untarnished athletes. I'm not sure where they'd find these rare specimens within their borders, but those would be the results.

If they were to win anything "clean" then what would that say about their current doping regimen? All pointless shortcuts taken in place of hard work? How would anyone be able to explain it?

If they arrive in Rio transformed, only to get their doors blown in by all the other "clean" nations, what does that say?

Quite the quagmire for the IOC.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

"Country must be clean to compete, says Reedie

Hysterical.

Let's suppose for a moment that somehow, magically, Russia saw the light, changed their evil ways, and suddenly removed all PED use from all their athletes.

What of all the benefits gained from all that PED use thus far in the athletes careers?
All gone in the span of 6 months? Yeah, that sounds fair and reasonable.

If Russia is allowed to compete in Rio, they won't podium in one, single event if they were somehow only to send clean, untarnished athletes. I'm not sure where they'd find these rare specimens within their borders, but those would be the results.

If they were to win anything "clean" then what would that say about their current doping regimen? All pointless shortcuts taken in place of hard work? How would anyone be able to explain it?

If they arrive in Rio transformed, only to get their doors blown in by all the other "clean" nations, what does that say?

Quite the quagmire for the IOC.

Even if they did eradicate all doping gains in 6 months, the impact on the medals table would be mostly irrelevant.

 

[Cake]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34842387

Commission appointed to inspect Russia's reforms in 2016

 

[Cramps]

Re:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34842387

Commission appointed to inspect Russia's reforms in 2016

"The five-person inspection team, led by renowned anti-doping expert Rune Andersen, has an extraordinary amount of experience...."

A quick search didn't find much in the way of statements or actions taken by Rune Andersen, does he have a reputation of any sort?

 

[BullsFan22]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

 

[thehog]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

Never, they'll be back by the Indoor Worlds in March 2016. The suspension was a JV-styled-watered down 6 month off season ban. IAAF wasn't about to let the Russian blow this thing apart. They dropped hints on London testing and Radcliffe, now the Russians are happy to pretend all will be clean by Rio. Coe keeps his job and Nike role and life goes on like this thing never happened.

 

[BullsFan22]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

Never, they'll be back by the Indoor Worlds in March 2016. The suspension was a JV-styled-watered down 6 month off season ban. IAAF wasn't about to let the Russian blow this thing apart. They dropped hints on London testing and Radcliffe, now the Russians are happy to pretend all will be clean by Rio. Coe keeps his job and Nike role and life goes on like this thing never happened.

Bummer. Now I wish they get busted!!

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

"Country must be clean to compete, says Reedie

Hysterical.

Let's suppose for a moment that somehow, magically, Russia saw the light, changed their evil ways, and suddenly removed all PED use from all their athletes.

What of all the benefits gained from all that PED use thus far in the athletes careers?
All gone in the span of 6 months? Yeah, that sounds fair and reasonable.

If Russia is allowed to compete in Rio, they won't podium in one, single event if they were somehow only to send clean, untarnished athletes. I'm not sure where they'd find these rare specimens within their borders, but those would be the results.

If they were to win anything "clean" then what would that say about their current doping regimen? All pointless shortcuts taken in place of hard work? How would anyone be able to explain it?

If they arrive in Rio transformed, only to get their doors blown in by all the other "clean" nations, what does that say?

Quite the quagmire for the IOC.

The message from Rio will as always be about how the Olympics are bringing peace to the world and inspiring future generations so summer scrooges should keep their ignorant contagious pessimism in their parents basements

 

[mrhender]

I read that according to IAAF rules nations have to be WADA compliant in a six-month period prior to competition.

This leaves Russia three monts to do the cleanup.

Rune Andersen from norway will be leading the task force together with four people from the IAAF.
(being an excellent PR choice in that few know him, and the emphasis is on his nationality, and clean record)

As the only member from outside IAAF and leading things, I doubt he will be very much hands on.

Rahter he will will connect the dots and fine-tune information supplied to him by the four people doing the base work.

Fromthe get-go the aim was to make Russia WADA-Code-Compliant. Even D. Pound said so.

The aim is not to use this opportunity to change status quo, but rather how to dress up things nicely, and deflect from the underlying issues, and avoid spillover to other sports.

Contain, blame (individulas), and rebuild trust on basis of a brilliant manuere that is branding the IAAF workgroup as and it's work as an extension of the much praised IC report.

In my opinion this has nothing to do with sports, or clean/dirty athletes.

It's about money, power, appearences, and politics.

Sports is just a mean.

 

[thehog]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

Never, they'll be back by the Indoor Worlds in March 2016. The suspension was a JV-styled-watered down 6 month off season ban. IAAF wasn't about to let the Russian blow this thing apart. They dropped hints on London testing and Radcliffe, now the Russians are happy to pretend all will be clean by Rio. Coe keeps his job and Nike role and life goes on like this thing never happened.

Bummer. Now I wish they get busted!!

Do you think WADA/IAAF are about to clean up 50 years of state sponsored doping in 3 months?

It's going to be; "you guys need to be much less obvious with your doping, you know, more western about how you do it"

 

[wansteadimp]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

Never, they'll be back by the Indoor Worlds in March 2016. The suspension was a JV-styled-watered down 6 month off season ban. IAAF wasn't about to let the Russian blow this thing apart. They dropped hints on London testing and Radcliffe, now the Russians are happy to pretend all will be clean by Rio. Coe keeps his job and Nike role and life goes on like this thing never happened.

Bummer. Now I wish they get busted!!

Do you think WADA/IAAF are about to clean up 50 years of state sponsored doping in 3 months?

It's going to be; "you guys need to be much less obvious with your doping, you know, more western about how you do it"

Rune will be saying "This is how I kept Marit and Ole-Einar from testing positive".

Having a double 100m & 200m olympic silver medalist involved is obviously the way to go as well.

 

[BullsFan22]

So when will the Russians spill the beans on the IAAF? Soon? Next year? In two years? Never?

Never, they'll be back by the Indoor Worlds in March 2016. The suspension was a JV-styled-watered down 6 month off season ban. IAAF wasn't about to let the Russian blow this thing apart. They dropped hints on London testing and Radcliffe, now the Russians are happy to pretend all will be clean by Rio. Coe keeps his job and Nike role and life goes on like this thing never happened.

Bummer. Now I wish they get busted!!

Do you think WADA/IAAF are about to clean up 50 years of state sponsored doping in 3 months?

It's going to be; "you guys need to be much less obvious with your doping, you know, more western about how you do it"

Rune will be saying "This is how I kept Marit and Ole-Einar from testing positive".

Having a double 100m & 200m olympic silver medalist involved is obviously the way to go as well.

You have no idea how incredible it would be if Bjoergen and Bjoerndalen are busted. Put in Daehlie, Alsgaard, Skari, Jevne and all those other heroes that got away scot free. I wonder what Mats Drange is thinking about right now with the news slowly but surely coming on doping being so rampant. Does he know and didn't want to get in trouble for saying how much he knew, or does he simply not care anymore? Or is he more of a David Walsh-type?

 

[Zebadeedee]

Compliance is the new punishment:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/12000881/Doping-scandal-Russia-have-been-let-off-the-hook-by-dirty-backroom-deal.html

No sanction for state-directed doping, just future compliance will do.

The best public response of course to all of this is simply to keep the TV switched off.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

IAAF Ethics Commission. Not very Ethical:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6858887

 

[fmk_RoI]

Isn't it just perfectly appropriate that the UCI uses Pravda to announce the self-suspension of disgraced RUSADA boss Nikita Kamaev from the anti-doping commission? First, as few as possible people will read it there. Second, the people who spotted Kamaev linking the UCI to the WADA IC report get left out in the cold.

 

[MLK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9B-ty9JCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIkiC3iT0GA

 

[mrhender]

Just a reminder to those interested that part two will be released the day after tomorrow (14th january).

I guess the the Guardian will live stream press conference as last time.