The Lance Deposition Tapes (Complete Testimony Now Available)

[Dallas_]

Depositions

its relevant in that i was curious. i've seen a few, but not enough to infer much. if you or whoever have seen more, then of course i'd defer to that expertise/insight. get it?

Well Mainemike, I confess to attending only two depositions in my time.

1st http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony

2nd http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2011/armstrong-sca-deposition-videos


I have attended less depositions than you Mainemike.

Blind Freddie still picked up the body language from the 1st depo.


have a good day

Find me an accountant involved in fraud and whom does not lie! OR find me a doper who does not lie!

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I see the new hires are out in force.

It is crunch time, it seems. Out come the latest group of newly hired and minted PS and BV guerrilla opinion shapers.

Regarding the videos, I think that in the absence of comparative videos it is hard to find the "tell". I would like to see more video, so whoever is out there with more footage, let's get more to go on.

 

[Benotti69]

It is crunch time, it seems. Out come the latest group of newly hired and minted PS and BV guerrilla opinion shapers.

Regarding the videos, I think that in the absence of comparative videos it is hard to find the "tell". I would like to see more video, so whoever is out there with more footage, let's get more to go on.

pity they couldn't make it a bit less obvious, but maybe its like rats leaving a sinking ship.....

 

[Dallas_]

I don'y think Betsy Andreau ever admitted to using drugs.. of any kind.

The duration and extent of his drug use can easily be introduced just as was mentioned in the deposition.

I hope that the Andreau's realize that the recount of Lance's history may also included rehashing some of there own. Frankie will come to find that talking heads for US cycling coverage are pretty easy to come by and that a guy in the news for the wrong reasons will probably be passed over for some other 7-11 or Coors Light rider that can hold a microphone.

Well fatandfast, I have been a member of this forum for 3 months and have never read a post as vindictive as this.
Attacking the Andreu's, whom have no desire to commit perjury under any circumstance.

Even the target(Madone Pro) would not go to the levels you achieved! Just my opinion mind you.


If I may divert your attention to more relevant matters at hand, namely the deposition.


from http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony related directly to the thread topic

Q. You understand that although we're in the conference room of your lawyers, you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law.

. Do you understand that?

A. Correct.

Q. And that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition just like they would to a court of law proceeding.

A. Of course.


Q. Okay.But I just want to make sure.It's not that you don't remember whether that -- the Indiana hospital room incident occurred.
It affirmatively did not take place.

A. No, it didn't.How could it have taken place when I've never taken performance-enhancing drugs?

Q. I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear.

A. Well, if it can't be any clearer than I've never taken drugs, then incidents like that could never have happened.


Q. Okay.I think it's clear.Let me -- can I ask you some additional questions as a followup on 4 that?

A. Sure.

Q. You have never taken any performance-enhancing drug in connection with your cycling career.

A. Correct.

Q. And that would include any substance that's ever been banned. Is that fair to say?

A. Correct.


In my opinion, I have detected blatant perjury, maybe leading to an enforced holiday! -- fatandfast, can you also see the perjury?


have a good day

Find me an accountant involved in fraud and whom does not lie! OR find me a doper who does not lie! --> not an easy task, is it?

 

[JA.Tri]

Lance may not ride anymore, but he will continue to skate.

on (rapidly melting) thin ice...

 

[Clearly Unstable]

Never seen anyone looking so uncomfortable taking an oath

He's probably just sitting on his wallet.

 

[sartain]

Please only after Lance has taken the stand again.
If the tapes leak before that moment, his PR bucks will try to make their testimonies less credible. I have to assume they did the right thing on those occasions.

Pretty sure 2/3 did.

 

[Neworld]

Folks,

If any of us were giving testimony, under oath, and had our rights read to us and then further explained to us, so that we understood what perjury means...and you were a clean, non-doping, person...would you answer like LA did on those videos.

You'd say, "listen, I don't dope, I've never doped, I never injected myself nothing. I did not dope ever"

I would imagine you'd be very clear about this and would not ask the examiner tangential questions or try to draw parallels or circumlocution.

tick tock, tick tock.

NW

 

[mewmewmew13]

Worth noting (for the sake of history):

Betsy Andreu did not cooperate with Walsh's book (even though she could have chosen to do so). Despite disliking Armstrong. So when Fabiani goes about saying she's always had an axe to grind, she didn't. She was willing to just live her life and let Armstrong go on living his lie, etc. She just wasn't willing to commit perjury. And it is that simple. And no one should ever be expected to do that for another person. And Armstrong is a coward for having expected her to do so.

Lance Armstrong is a coward.

The fact that he referred to Betsy as Frankie's "Old lady" shows his complete disrespect for women.

These clips are sad to watch. The guy is so ill.

whew, just spent some time catching up since I saw this thread this morning....
Thank you , Botany, for succinctly saying everything that I was thinking about LA.... Excellent and pretty much says it all....
mew

 

[Race Radio]

I missed this nugget:

What Fat misses is Frankie's and Betsy's honesty and openness makes them now an asset. They were on the right side of history. While everyone else lied they told the truth.

As the sport recoils in revulsion at Armstrong and eagerly await his fate Frankie will walk out of this with more opportunity then ever.

 

[JA.Tri]

Folks,

If any of us were giving testimony, under oath, and had our rights read to us and then further explained to us, so that we understood what perjury means...and you were a clean, non-doping, person...would you answer like LA did on those videos.

You'd say, "listen, I don't dope, I've never doped, I never injected myself nothing. I did not dope ever"

I would imagine you'd be very clear about this and would not ask the examiner tangential questions or try to draw parallels or circumlocution.

tick tock, tick tock.

NW

Agreed. While it may be the evidence of an innocent man...

On balance of probabilities... Fail

Beyond reasonable doubt ...?????

 

[Yeahright]

Folks,

If any of us were giving testimony, under oath, and had our rights read to us and then further explained to us, so that we understood what perjury means...and you were a clean, non-doping, person...would you answer like LA did on those videos.

You'd say, "listen, I don't dope, I've never doped, I never injected myself nothing. I did not dope ever"

I would imagine you'd be very clear about this and would not ask the examiner tangential questions or try to draw parallels or circumlocution.

tick tock, tick tock.

NW

Not trying to defend the guy but didn't he say just that in those clips. He said something along the lines of: "what part of I have never doped do you not understand" when questioned about the alleged hospital admissions.

 

[Yeahright]

Problem here is Armstrong does not come across as a "nice or reasonable guy".

He does to the masses. I don't think the views of a few forum posters or even the wider "inside' cycling community will have much influence over that.

 

[Race Radio]

He does to the masses. I don't think the views of a few forum posters or even the wider "inside' cycling community will have much influence over that.

Really?

Zeta Interactive, a marketing firm that tracks looks online to see how people are being viewed, found Armstrong has fallen far from his perch as one of the most popular athletes the agency has ever tracked.
Zeta measured Armstrong at 92 percent popularity in 2008, and he was at 86 percent in July before the start of his final Tour de France. That number dropped to 51 percent in August when the federal investigation ramped up and has bumped only slightly to 55 percent in recent weeks.
"He's flirting with 50-50,'' said Zeta Interactive CEO Al DiGuido. "For someone trying to build themself as a brand, that's not a good place to be.''

It is only going to get worse

 

[pedaling squares]

Not trying to defend the guy but didn't he say just that in those clips. He said something along the lines of: "what part of I have never doped do you not understand" when questioned about the alleged hospital admissions.

That is not a denial. A denial is "I have never doped." Phrasing those words inside a question gives one the appearance that he is denying doping, but all he is doing is masking the issue and throwing the subject back without providing an answer. A good interviewer/attorney would challenge him on that.

Now, he could have uttered a denial elsewhere that I have not seen. I'm just referring to the line you quoted.

 

[Joey_J]

What Fat misses is Frankie's and Betsy's honesty and openness makes them now an asset. They were on the right side of history. While everyone else lied they told the truth.

Honesty?
Under oath, Frankie confirmed Betsy’s account. Fine.
Also under oath, Frankie testified that he had no direct evidence or ever witnessed LA dope. Really? He missed all the fun blood doping parties and PED seminars that Landis talked about?
Frankie also said (not under oath) that he only tried EPO once, during the 99 Tour. Frankie raced during the height of the undetectable EPO era
and didn’t use EPO before 99? 4th in the Olympic RR in 96 on white rice and spring water? Sure. Part of Motorola and USPS where doping was mandatory (according to some)?
Frankie picks and chooses his honesty. He’s going to have a hard time convincing people where he’s being honest.

 

[Benotti69]

Really?

It is only going to get worse

in 2 ways,

the upping of the trolling trying to plug all the holes in the **** with their sticky fingers

and the revelations about doping coming pouring through


ps great reply to another minion of lie$trong

 

[Benotti69]

just read this

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-growth-hormone-aging-20110217,0,2125964.story

In 2009, Americans spent $1.35 billion on growth hormone treatments, filling 431,000 prescriptions, according to the healthcare information and consulting company IMS Health.

amazing that Lie$trong are not promoting an anti doping awareness message

 

[D-Queued]

Not trying to defend the guy but didn't he say just that in those clips. He said something along the lines of: "what part of I have never doped do you not understand" when questioned about the alleged hospital admissions.

And, 'what part of you are not answering the question are you not understanding?'

This was obvious in the written transcript.

It is painfully obvious in the deposition video.

The first and last thought that came to mind watching these videos: 'Please, please, please put him on the stand'

His arrogance screams out from his unbuttoned shirt. No need to open his mouth to communicate his disrespect for the institution or the process. No. He screams at them: "I am better than you". "I can dress however I want". "Watch me flash my unbuttoned cuffs". "Look at my bare, shaved chest." "I am Lance."

Who is he fooling? Do you not think even a reasonably competent judge can see his complete disrespect for the institution and process?

Please, please, please let there be a jury.

What Fat misses is Frankie's and Betsy's honesty and openness makes them now an asset. They were on the right side of history. While everyone else lied they told the truth.

As the sport recoils in revulsion at Armstrong and eagerly await his fate Frankie will walk out of this with more opportunity then ever.

Fat (and the new crew of paid-for promoters) also completely missed the point that NYV made about Lance sitting through Betsy's testimony as intimidation. Yet, she said her peace - to his face.

That of course, makes the line about hardly knowing her all the more hilarious.

Liar.

He knew her well enough to sit and watch her deposition.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He does to the masses. I don't think the views of a few forum posters or even the wider "inside' cycling community will have much influence over that.

The 'masses' believe Lance is "nice and reasonable"? As RR has already pointed out the halo has already slipped and it is noticeable that his recent retirement was meant with a deafening silence.

'We' might not have much influence in changing that but you can be sure the masses will listen to a Federal court.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Honesty?
Under oath, Frankie confirmed Betsy’s account. Fine.

Ya - under oath!

How did Lance do under oath?

Also under oath, Frankie testified that he had no direct evidence or ever witnessed LA dope. Really?

Really indeed - from the NYT
"Frankie Andreu, once Armstrong’s close friend and roommate, testified that he never knew if Armstrong was doping. But once, he testified, he saw Armstrong sorting “little round pills” on his bed before a race. “He talked about that he would take these at different parts during the race,” Andreu said under oath, adding that he did not know what the pills were. Armstrong testified that they were caffeine."

He missed all the fun blood doping parties and PED seminars that Landis talked about?

The 'fun blood doping parties' wouldn't have started until after 2001 when EPO was detectable.

Frankie also said (not under oath) that he only tried EPO once, during the 99 Tour. Frankie raced during the height of the undetectable EPO era
and didn’t use EPO before 99? 4th in the Olympic RR in 96 on white rice and spring water? Sure.

No - he didn't:
"Neither rider ever tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs, but both said they felt as if they had to take EPO to make the Tour team in 1999. Andreu would not say specifically when he took the drug..."

Part of Motorola and USPS where doping was mandatory (according to some)?

(Who are the some?) Not mandatory, but if you wanted to be part of the Tour team it was important to be on a programme... hence why he doped.

Frankie picks and chooses his honesty. He’s going to have a hard time convincing people where he’s being honest.

I don't know if Frankie "picks and chooses his honesty" - but I do know that honesty is Armstrong kryptonite.

 

[lean mean &green]

while i mostly believe betsy andreu's version of events, there just isn't much in these tapes. he comes off as pretty believeable to the casual observer. he's well coached and a pretty good liar actually. his casual choice of attire may not have been arrogance but also a very deliberate move. showing up in a $5K suit might make him look like a greedy superficial mofo. instead, he looks like a guy who doesn't care that much about "other people's property".

sad to say but the best part is the mash up at the end.

 

[pedaling squares]

Honesty?
Under oath, Frankie confirmed Betsy’s account. Fine.
Also under oath, Frankie testified that he had no direct evidence or ever witnessed LA dope. Really? He missed all the fun blood doping parties and PED seminars that Landis talked about?
Frankie also said (not under oath) that he only tried EPO once, during the 99 Tour. Frankie raced during the height of the undetectable EPO era
and didn’t use EPO before 99? 4th in the Olympic RR in 96 on white rice and spring water? Sure. Part of Motorola and USPS where doping was mandatory (according to some)?
Frankie picks and chooses his honesty. He’s going to have a hard time convincing people where he’s being honest.

I'll phrase my response in Armstrong-speak to make it easier for you.

What part of Frankie and Floyd were on USPS at different times do you not understand?

 

[sartain]

The 'masses' believe Lance is "nice and reasonable"? As RR has already pointed out the halo has already slipped and it is noticeable that his recent retirement was meant with a deafening silence.

'We' might not have much influence in changing that but you can be sure the masses will listen to a Federal court.

With all due respect to you Dr. and RR, I am I suspect that once agin "cancer" will be the ultimate shield for LA and the masses will not care because of all the "good he has done". As I have said before on this forum, LA and his handlers have worked this scam really well.

I think this article probably says a lot about what the masses think, not what those of us on the The Clinic now to be the truth.

This writer's logic is fairly pathetic, but it is what it is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6135037

 

[Race Radio]

With all due respect to you Dr. and RR, I am I suspect that once agin "cancer" will be the ultimate shield for LA and the masses will not care because of all the "good he has done". As I have said before on this forum, LA and his handlers have worked this scam really well.

I think this article probably says a lot about what the masses think, not what those of us on the The Clinic now to be the truth.

This writer's logic is fairly pathetic, but it is what it is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6135037

It is the only thing they know. Expect the broken record of "I have done a lot of good" over and over. This babble will appear increasingly pathetic when it becomes clear that in fact he has not "done a lot of good" but has paid for a lot of jet fuel and lap dances.