The Lantern Jaw

[Susan Westemeyer]

Seems this thread is degenerating into "if they're not cute they must be doping territory."

I fail to see how someone's level of attractiveness or manner of speech has anything to do with their likelihood of doping. I had a speech impediment when I was five, so clearly I must have been a massive juice head.

Be cute girls, it will put you above suspicion!

I agree with Jalina's sentiments. Keep it on topic or face sanctions.

Susan

(You all know I am an old-liner Women's Libber, why do you try this crap?)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

half the people I saw at the supermarket this morning are potential dopers because of how their chin looks.

Who knows, maybe they are. Was it an american supermarket? It´s not the least chemical enhanced food they have there. Leave alone the fast food "resturants"...

Anyway, some pics seem to show heavy use of doping. That can´t be denied.

 

[noddy69]

Who knows, maybe they are. Was it an american supermarket? It´s not the least chemical enhanced food they have there. Leave alone the fast food "resturants"...

Anyway, some pics seem to show heavy use of doping. That can´t be denied.

It can in fact be denied quite easily. If you produced one photo to a court and said " look at the massive chin and spotty face, that is without any reasonable doubt due to heavy doping " you would be laughed out of court.

I do think this thread could be a really good one. It cant be that hard to come up with then and now photos showing how the facial structure has changed beyond normal limits. That is if it has in the athletes that have had their pictures posted have changed to a degree where you could cry doping. All one photo shows you is a picture of someone with a big jaw etc.

 

[Avoriaz]

Tbh the Lantern Jaw isn't something I had ever really considered outside of Jimmy Hill and George Hincapie.

However, after reading these posts I couldn't help it when it came to Lalonde Gordon in the men's 400m

http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=66609

 

[sniper]

I thought this thread had a strong tongue-in-chin..eh..cheek flavor to it.

Athletes are among the best paid people world wide, and they very often get into that position not through hard working (at least not harder than you and me), but through mindless cheating and doping, with no respect for the human body, or for the intelligence of the fans, or for the great tradition fair play once had.
In this sense, I personally really don't see what's wrong with making a little fun out of doped athletes in innocent and little read threads like this one, even if some of the egg-heads, lanternjaws and bipolarchins would turn out to actually be naturally born phenomena.

p.s. Think about politicians. We're allowed to make fool of them, because they voluntarily choose to be in the public domain in return for good money, and often don't mind that extra bit of cheating to climb up the ladder, and happily make misuse of the presumed retardedness of their voters. Somewhat the same applies to athletes, IMO (just replace 'voters' for 'fans').

 

[Avoriaz]

I thought this thread had a strong tongue-in-p.s. Think about politicians. We're allowed to make fool of them, because they voluntarily choose to be in the public domain in return for good money, and often don't mind that extra bit of cheating to climb up the ladder, and happily make misuse of the presumed retardedness of their voters. Somewhat the same applies to athletes, IMO (just replace 'voters' for 'fans').

That's different. They are chinless

 

[Cycle Chic]

ARCROMEGALY - Lantern Jaw

For those newcomers to The Clinic that think this is a joke thread - Lantern Jaw is medically known as Acromegaly.

Wikipedia:-Acromegaly is a syndrome that results when the anterior pituitary gland produces excess growth hormone (GH) after epiphyseal plate closure at puberty.

Mandibular overgrowth leads to prognathism, maxillary widening, teeth separation and jaw malocclusion.






Teeth showing classic teeth gapping due to acromegaly on lower jaw
'Signs and symptoms-
Soft tissue swelling visibly resulting in enlargement of the hands, feet, nose, lips and ears, and a general thickening of the skin.
Soft tissue swelling of internal organs, notably the heart with attendant weakening of its muscularity, and the kidneys, also the vocal cords resulting in a characteristic thick, deep voice and slowing of speech
Generalized expansion of the skull at the fontanelle
Pronounced brow protrusion, often with ocular distension
Pronounced lower jaw protrusion with attendant macroglossia (enlargement of the tongue) and teeth gapping
Hypertrichosis, hyperpigmentation, and hyperhidrosis may occur in these patients.[2]:499
Acrochordon (skin tags)
Carpal tunnel syndrome

Quote:6. Human growth hormone

Doping athletes use human growth hormone (HGH), also known as somatotropin, for two main reasons:

to increase muscle mass
to increase physical endurance by increasing the ability to withstand fatigue
HGH can be taken orally or injected.

The main undesirable effects of human growth hormone are long-bone growth (enlarged feet, deformities), lengthening of the jawbone (with resulting loosening of the teeth), osteoarthritis, impaired thyroid function, cardiovascular disorders (heart disease, hypertension, strokes), psychological problems (irritability, mood swings, depression, psychosis), and risks of diabetes and cancers.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...brain-tumour-20100612-y4r2.html#ixzz1MmIECcbQ

 

[Carstenbf]

what strikes me more about this foto is the tree-trunk neck (feel free to coin a different term), i.e. when there is no difference in width between neck and jawline, or sometimes the neck is even wider than the jaws.

Ah, kinda like this guy you mean?

 

[Avoriaz]

Ah, kinda like this guy you mean?

I'd be more worried for the guy stood behind him. he has a blurry face

 

[Franklin]

Athletes are among the best paid people world wide, and they very often get into that position not through hard working (at least not harder than you and me), but through mindless cheating and doping, with no respect for the human body, or for the intelligence of the fans, or for the great tradition fair play once had.

That's the top competitors.

And don't forget that it's just a few sports. Winning an olympic Swimming medal doesn't make you rich if you aren't an American. The same goes for track. Their are quite a few wage based jobs that pay better over the time invested.

The other sports are even worse.

And yes, I'm sure a SouthKorean shooting champ makes a decent buck, but that's definitely not the norm. Most competitors are most likely still having a daytime job.

 

[TheInternet]

For those newcomers to The Clinic that think this is a joke thread - Lantern Jaw is medically known as Acromegaly.

No, newcomers think this is a joke thread based on the total ridiculous participation of Clinic regulars. Just because you can Wiki Acromegaly and Google images of lantern jaws makes you no expert on assessing the incriminating facial morphologies of dopers.

What makes this thread a joke was your first post;

I thought of Michael Phelps when I saw the Lantern Jaw terminology.

Other examples would be good to see.

Phelps has no mandibular overgrowth, no teeth separation to suggest mandibular widening, and an underbite that is obvious when he smiles and exceptionally clear to the uneducated layman when he talks. If Phelps is who you thought of to illustrate the Lantern Jaw, and you're not joking, then you completely lack objectivity to contribute anything meaningful to your own thread.

 

[Cycle Chic]

No, newcomers think this is a joke thread based on the total ridiculous participation of Clinic regulars. Just because you can Wiki Acromegaly and Google images of lantern jaws makes you no expert on assessing the incriminating facial morphologies of dopers.

What makes this thread a joke was your first post;



Phelps has no mandibular overgrowth, no teeth separation to suggest mandibular widening, and an underbite that is obvious when he smiles and exceptionally clear to the uneducated layman when he talks. If Phelps is who you thought of to illustrate the Lantern Jaw, and you're not joking, then you completely lack objectivity to contribute anything meaningful to your own thread.

SO Why is Michael Phelps actually named as a 'case' on the Wikipedia page of Acromegaly ? he has never confirmed that he has the condition though.

I wouldnt normally reply to this as you are obviously trolling.

 

[TheInternet]

SO Why is Michael Phelps actually named as a 'case' on the Wikipedia page of Acromegaly ? he has never confirmed that he has the condition though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromegaly
There is no mention of Michael Phelps on this page.

I wouldnt normally reply to this as you are obviously trolling.

For the Clinic newcomers, this is a common Clinic tactic to dismiss the argument of another when one has no valid points or evidence to contend their position. Ergo, I am a troll.

Cycle Chic, your argument is the Wiki definition of Acromegaly, and some descriptions of morphological characteristics of Acromegaly. I have pointed out clear characteristics of Michael Phelps' morphology that do not support Acromegaly.

Michael Phelps has no lower teeth separation to support the notion of mandibular widening. He has an underbite which is evident when he smiles, and evident when he speaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fWJ0KwIVw
The only time his mandibular dentition comes even with his maxillary dentition is when enunciating certain words. And, while Phelps has a pronounced chin (as do many non-doping non-athletes), his chin hardly extends, if at all, past his maxillary profile.

These are point-by-point arguments against certain morphological characteristics of Acromegaly. Alas, because you have no counterargument, I am trolling.

BTW, kudos to Blackcat:

folks dont realise that they may be using a false indicator.

correlation=/=causation, because juveniles/adolscents, with genetic predisposed to producting higher hormone levels, may well have a greater talent for sports that require the gifts, hormones like testosterone avail(s)

as Runitout said, confirmation bias.

This has always been my basline, you need to be aware of the endogenous bonestructure, of an athlete. Without reading pituitary tests and a bone X-Ray on skull or fingers/feet, this is nigh impossible.

Then there is a natural atrophy of intrafascial red and white tissue, creating sunken cheeks, especially in endurance sports like road cycling. 20 thousand miles a year as a pro cyclist are very catabolic.

But, there should be, a general positive correlation between carrying size/muscle/weight and having intrafacial tissue. positive correlation means the bone structure is hidden behind tissue.

But there has been an inverse relationship recently, and this exposes the bone structure, and can give a visual illusion when the bones become apparent.

A voice of reason in an otherwise joke of a thread.

 

[rickshaw]

I know it is an old one but...

Tammy Thomas is a textbook example of the topic here... AND she was convicted.

 

[Viking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromegaly
There is no mention of Michael Phelps on this page.

Wikipedia can be a great starting point for information. However, the info is very fluid and people change it every day. The nice thing about it is the edit history...

Someone added Phelps to the list of Notable Cases on Sunday, referencing this article. Someone else removed Phelps the next day, as the referenced article didn't mention Acromegaly.

 

[wannab]

more from the olympics

Cakir Alptekin (ban in 2004)

Nevin Yanit

Elena Sokolova
mm feel kinda bad for this one because surely it must be some kind of abnormality

 

[Cycle Chic]

those arent lantern jaws.

 

[wannab]

those arent lantern jaws.

I guess your right, I should've opened a new thread for the testosterone look (not for Elena tho!)

 

[JRTinMA]

Tammy Thomas is a textbook example of the topic here... AND she was convicted.

From her conviction we can conclude that perjurers also have lantern jaws? Makes it hard to spot the dopers then, no?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Is it only the jaw that gets bigger or does the breast size also grows?

 

[taiwan]

Cipollini used HGH? Or is that the most obvious question ever. That super heavy brow. Has a very similar shape of face to wrestler 'The Edge', who was linked to HGH (I googled after I guessed).

nvm, should have just searched.

Now that Osapchuk got busted I feel slightly more confident about picking out characteristics by eye (although she was obviously obvious).

FWIW the female Turkish hurdler with the falsest of false starts in the first round has to be a steroid user. A couple of russian women have a certain masculine quality to then also. IDK how you pick male athletes out though - you'd maybe have to be able to tell from the appearance of the muscle?

 

[2008885]

If you can identify dopers just by looking at them, you can hire yourself out to the feds and become very rich.....

 

[blackcat]

have you ever been to a md/gp and did they give you a physical?

 

[taiwan]

If you can identify dopers just by looking at them, you can hire yourself out to the feds and become very rich.....

See Tammy Thomas above.

 

[2008885]

Lol, something of an extreme example - if only they were all that obvious.