The Liestrong(TM) Temple of Awareness

[andy1234]

so the african continent is doing it all wrong buy not having plush offices when they go looking for donations and charity

when a real charity goes looking for donations to do good from important companies, rich people or a PR media day (and not 'awareness' by the way for something everybody in the western world knows about), they use a plush location, ie get a 5 star hotel to donate a room or suite or conference room for an afternoon.

i wouldn't donate money to an organisation that spends lots on itself. what's the point of that? if i was confronted with that type of organisation i would question what good is it doing when it spends a considerable amount of money on its locations and decor etc.. never mind what we know Lie$trong does with its dollars.

most of us know that Lie$trong is not a charity per se. So their lovely offices are designed to sell a brand (Lie$trong) to saps and companies that want a piece of the action. how much profit do nikey make for every lie$trong t-shirt sold? If you think cisco and coke care about helping people you are living in the dark ages. they only care about branding and if they attach their brand to something that helps sell their product they dont care if its abortion or cancer awareness they'll do it as long as it makes sales.

so yes it is a lovely office for a brand (Lie$trong) but not a charity, but i wont get too upset if it was all donated by a nice architect, builder, wood supplier etc....

So Livestrong has alienated you, but attracted multi million dollar contributors.
What a terrible business plan....

Charities don't give a f**k what the motivation is behind a donation from Coke or Cisco.
Money saves lives, not sentiment.

 

[Benotti69]

So Livestrong has alienated you, but attracted multi million dollar contributors.
What a terrible business plan....

Charities don't give a f**k what the motivation is behind a donation from Coke or Cisco.
Money saves lives, not sentiment.

of course they alienated me. i am aware of what cancer is. are you?

they attracted people who want to be associated with Uniballer not cancer and link their brand to him to push their brand not help people suffering from cancer

not a terrible business plan but a massive fraud

and coke and cisco dont give a f**k about people who suffer they give a f**k about sales

saving lives! well that's not what Lie$trong are doing with the money it receives

 

[yourwelcome]

When an organisation is seeking contribution from the heads of Nike, Cisco, Coke etc etc, what sort of environment do you think those heads are used to?

Investment into an organisation, regardless of it being a corporate or a charity, depends upon confidence.
Its an undisputable fact.

Anyone investing their money, wants to see an organisation that is successful. If a head office can't display that outwardly, then it would be natural to question the professionalism of the organisation.

For all the arguments that the cost of a plasma screen could do X amount of good in the world, the perceived effectiveness of the organisation will justify that expenditure, through increased donations, many times over.

Arguably, if these heads of Nike, Cisko and Coke et al are paid so much for their incredible intelligence and business acumen, they ought to see through such obvious devices as funky headquarters.

Unfortunately you're no doubt right in that they probably simply decide that an inefficient charity with a flash public image is for them a much more useful recipient of their corporate cash than a less glamorous hard working one. After all, the only reason they give a cent to charity is for PR.

 

[thehog]

Arguably, if these heads of Nike, Cisko and Coke et al are paid so much for their incredible intelligence and business acumen, they ought to see through such obvious devices as funky headquarters.

Unfortunately you're no doubt right in that they probably simply decide that an inefficient charity with a flash public image is for them a much more useful recipient of their corporate cash than a less glamorous hard working one. After all, the only reason they give a cent to charity is for PR.

Those guys would walk in and think "these guys are flushed! they don't need any money or any of our help!"

 

[andy1234]

of course they alienated me. i am aware of what cancer is. are you?

they attracted people who want to be associated with Uniballer not cancer and link their brand to him to push their brand not help people suffering from cancer

not a terrible business plan but a massive fraud

and coke and cisco dont give a f**k about people who suffer they give a f**k about sales

saving lives! well that's not what Lie$trong are doing with the money it receives

What Livestrong is doing with the money, or how they got it, is another discussion.
The fact is they are attracting serious contributions, so regardless of motivation, they are fulfilling that part of the brief nicely.

Its a good job you are not in charge Bennotti, it would be a real chore knocking back all those large contributions just because they are for the wrong reasons.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

After Tyler releases his book, the ghost of Tugboat is going to take a crap in the middle of that Livestrong conference room table.

 

[Benotti69]

What Livestrong is doing with the money, or how they got it, is another discussion.
The fact is they are attracting serious contributions, so regardless of motivation, they are fulfilling that part of the brief nicely.

Its a good job you are not in charge Bennotti, it would be a real chore knocking back all those large contributions just because they are for the wrong reasons.

More BS

awareness?? who in their right mind is not aware of cancer?

what is Lie$trong doing with the money? very little is what it's doing! a charity attracting serious donations but not for charity is fraud in my book, but you dont want to discuss that. too close to the bone.

how they got it, i dont care, you brought it up and now are discarding it. Trolling.

regardless of motivation, so you are ignoring that i called it a fraud.

if i was in charge the money would go to research where it is most needed not on plush offices to smooze with rich buddies and fly around the world in in a private jet and wasting the donations on myself and my ego

get over it Lie$strong is exactly that, a complete fraud

obviously you cant defend it as you have to resort to attacking me. FAIL

 

[LeakyBoat]

What Livestrong is doing with the money, or how they got it, is another discussion.

No it isn't, it's the raison d'être for a charity.

 

[andy1234]

No it isn't, it's the raison d'être for a charity.

Its another discussion in the sense that it isn't what we are discussing here, not that it isn't important.

 

[andy1234]

More BS

awareness?? who in their right mind is not aware of cancer?

what is Lie$trong doing with the money? very little is what it's doing! a charity attracting serious donations but not for charity is fraud in my book, but you dont want to discuss that. too close to the bone.

how they got it, i dont care, you brought it up and now are discarding it. Trolling.

regardless of motivation, so you are ignoring that i called it a fraud.

if i was in charge the money would go to research where it is most needed not on plush offices to smooze with rich buddies and fly around the world in in a private jet and wasting the donations on myself and my ego

get over it Lie$strong is exactly that, a complete fraud

obviously you cant defend it as you have to resort to attacking me. FAIL

You seem intent on getting that out of your system even though it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Feel better now?

Take a breath, read what I actually said, and curb your own agenda.

 

[Benotti69]

Its another discussion in the sense that it isn't what we are discussing here, not that it isn't important.

it is everything to do with it, they have spent the money on plush offices.

i bet cancer sufferers who haven't got private medical/health insurance are so happy to see these lovely nice offices for a supposedly cancer charity funded by people who think they are helping cancer!

 

[Benotti69]

You seem intent on getting that out of your system even though it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Feel better now?

Take a breath, read what I actually said, and curb your own agenda.

we are discussing the office of Lie$trong.

How do they fund that?

you have failed to redirect the thread and said that what they have done is good business practice.

it seems no one else on this thread agrees.

 

[Race Radio]

So Livestrong has alienated you, but attracted multi million dollar contributors.
What a terrible business plan....

Charities don't give a f**k what the motivation is behind a donation from Coke or Cisco.
Money saves lives, not sentiment.

Not exactly. This is one of the key issues with Livestrong, their relative inability to attract funds from other large foundations. It is common for program based foundations like Livestrong to attract large amounts of their funds from other large foundations as well as government grants. Livestrong attracts little of this cash and instead has to depend on small donations from gullible groupies. The professionals have evaluated them and found them to be a poor investment.

Wonderboy want to be a player in the worst way. He now has the jet and the pimped out offices just like his big boy friends......at least he can say it was fun while it lasted.

 

[andy1234]

we are discussing the office of Lie$trong.

How do they fund that?

you have failed to redirect the thread and said that what they have done is good business practice.

it seems no one else on this thread agrees.

Thanks for finishing the rant.

Presenting the business as professional, modern and high tech (regardless of if its true) IS good business practice.

Have some confidence in your own opinion, instead of backing up your argument with "no one else on this thread agrees" it sounds desperate.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

I worked for a St. John Ambulance about 10 years ago. The national headquarters were in a big old mansion. There was on-going concern within over the optics of a charitable organization having such a s****y HQ's.

Shortly after I left, the building was sold, and they moved HQ's to a far less s****y location in a quasi-suburban business park. It's still very professional - if not more - but much less s****.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwin_House

edit... s-w-a-n-k and s-w-a-n-k-y are dirty words??? Seriously????

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for finishing the rant.

Presenting the business as professional, modern and high tech (regardless of if its true) IS good business practice.

Have some confidence in your own opinion, instead of backing up your argument with "no one else on this thread agrees" it sounds desperate.

not a rant. it has been easy to pick holes in your arguments for spending donations on fancy offices.

so you admit Lie$strong is false. glad we agree on that

there are many ways to present something as professional, modern and high tech, whatever that has to do with saving people from cancer, maybe you will enlighten me, without buying, building and furnishing modern office spaces. try thinking outside the box

if your opinion was valid someone would have backed it up, but since Cobbedly got banned your own your for the moment.

 

[LeakyBoat]

Its another discussion in the sense that it isn't what we are discussing here, not that it isn't important.

What are we discussing here then?

 

[andy1234]

not a rant. it has been easy to pick holes in your arguments for spending donations on fancy offices.

so you admit Lie$strong is false. glad we agree on that

there are many ways to present something as professional, modern and high tech, whatever that has to do with saving people from cancer, maybe you will enlighten me, without buying, building and furnishing modern office spaces. try thinking outside the box

if your opinion was valid someone would have backed it up, but since Cobbedly got banned your own your for the moment.

Your last statement is a true insight into your mentality. No wonder you spend so much time here.

 

[Benotti69]

Your last statement is a true insight into your mentality. No wonder you spend so much time here.

again with the personal attacks. cant argue anymore so attack the poster.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

Im not sure what your point is.
I am aware of the perceived wrong doings of livestrong, but how else should a multi million dollar business house its employees?

My employer's annual revenues are more, gross and net, than Livewrong(TM) and...

a) we don't work in anything like that palace

b) we damned sure don't subsidize a jet

 

[sniper]

My employer's annual revenues are more, gross and net, than Livewrong(TM) and...

a) we don't work in anything like that palace

b) we damned sure don't subsidize a jet

+1
hadn't seen that one yet

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Andy are your statements about livestrong based on assumptions ? Could you please provide a link, detailing contributions. Thanks in advance.

 

[andy1234]

again with the personal attacks. cant argue anymore so attack the poster.

Im not attacking you.
You need the validation of a forum that largely agrees with you.
Thats fine, but it doesn't make you right.

 

[Archibald]

Money saves lives, not sentiment.

hahahahahaha!!

as yet I'm still to see any evidence that the moula that Liestrong accumulates actually goes towards saving anyone's life.
feel free to provide this missing evidence...

 

[andy1234]

Before anybody posts anything else, understand this...

I am not defending the actions of Livestrong in ANY way other than the need to have a professional corporate HQ.

Any other points were raised by Bennotti, so discuss them with him....

For once, try to see my comments in isolation and not a declaration of support for one side or the other. Probably too much to ask....