The Liestrong(TM) Temple of Awareness

[BotanyBay]

They must wrap there legs around them several times and this would not be possible with a large diameter pole like the one shown.

You've clearly not met enough strippers then.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes I understand that you etal say that Livestrong should not have the things it has. I have no issue with that because I don't have parameters to frame the debate within. You are just telling me what it shouldn't be, but a baseline is necessary or you just look like you are whining for the sake of whining Mr. Radio.

It appears you categorize anything you disagree with, or preferred not talked about, as whining.

I doubt it is debate you are interested in as most of your posts are insults, not debate. If you are looking for parameters to frame the debate then a good example are Livestrong travel expenses. In the combined audit report of the livestrong family of charities the 2009 travel expenses total almost $2 million ($1,922,995). For comparison, the National Cancer Coalition, with 5 times as much money raised only claimed $108,559 in travel expenses.

 

[andy1234]

First point is that before they moved in to their new offices they had the use of the old offices for free.

Secondly -the plush new offices appear to be used to woooo people as you say to donate to the "Livestrong business".

There is no such charity as Livestrong, the name of the charity is the Lance Armstrong Foundation.
It seems you have fallen for one of the main objectives of the "Livestrong business".

Lets face it, if the office looked like a sh**hole, then people would say Armstrong is fleecing the company for his own ends and he won't even use funds for a decent office.

The new office is just a typical "corporate America". You will find the same setup in a thousand locations.

The organisation might be bent, but concentrate on that, not the perfectly legitimate business practices.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You've clearly not met enough strippers then.

To be totally fair it was Race Radio who brought up the off topic Striper Poles. It was the Akbar who pointed out the issues with using that Iron Square Tube as a striper pole would be physically impossible.

 

[Skandar Akbar]

It appears you categorize anything you disagree with, or preferred not talked about, as whining.

I doubt it is debate you are interested in as most of your posts are insults, not debate. If you are looking for parameters to frame the debate then a good example are Livestrong travel expenses. In the combined audit report of the livestrong family of charities the 2009 travel expenses total almost $2 million ($1,922,995). For comparison, the National Cancer Coalition, with 5 times as much money raised only claimed $108,559 in travel expenses.

I take offense to your characterization of me but I can take it. I do appreciate the information and I do see where you are coming from. Couple that with docs info upthread about the previous free office arrangements and this does seem absurd.

Furthermore I do not agree with andy1234's take on all of this. A charity should not have to woo donors like a business. So, my thoughts on this subject appear to align with the majority here. I hope this does not make you want to re-evaluate your POV.

 

[Race Radio]

To be totally fair it was Race Radio who brought up the off topic Striper Poles. It was the Akbar who pointed out the issues with using that Iron Square Tube as a striper pole would be physically impossible.

When the thread is about Armstrong stripper poles are always on topic.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

When the thread is about Armstrong stripper poles are always on topic.

Ok that is fine.

Did you see all those guys and gals gang up on me in the Bassons thread? I am so happy I am a "Cancer Lover" or yall would be killing me in hear also!

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

I'll be honest with you. It doesnt look that much different to where I work

And as a frame of reference, you work for a cancer charity, I assume?

I'm not saying they need to work out of a dirt-floored quonset hut with no HVAC, but even if the free office space went away, they could have leased space and purchased much more modest furnishings ...

... if helping cancer victims was actually their goal.

Read "Three Cups of Tea" if you haven't already. It illustrates the opposite extreme. Somewhere between is what is appropriate. I'm not advocating monastic poverty as the only true path to charity, but LiveWrong.wtf? could definitely change lives with all the dough they're pouring down the crapper. Aside from the dirt and the structure, the rest of the bling might bring 5 cents on the dollar when it goes up for auction - where the detrius of these schemes normally ends up.

And yes, I meant exactly what I wrote, it's a scheme. Charity? I wouldn't even classify it as a good business. Livewrong.wtf? only has value as part of the InternetBust2.0 overvaluation orgy.

A loser any way you shake the ledger.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Lets face it, if the office looked like a sh**hole, then people would say Armstrong is fleecing the company for his own ends and he won't even use funds for a decent office.

The new office is just a typical "corporate America". You will find the same setup in a thousand locations.

The organisation might be bent, but concentrate on that, not the perfectly legitimate business practices.

Why should people donate to a charity to fund a "corporate America" office building when their old offices were not costing them anything?


To the highlighted - what does that mean? It is not a business, it is a charity.

 

[Benotti69]

Lets face it, if the office looked like a sh**hole, then people would say Armstrong is fleecing the company for his own ends and he won't even use funds for a decent office.

The new office is just a typical "corporate America". You will find the same setup in a thousand locations.

The organisation might be bent, but concentrate on that, not the perfectly legitimate business practices.

he is fleecing the company for his own ends, hence the fancy office.

corporate america does not equal good charity practice

the organisation is bent hence the whole point of spending money on his offices. the discussion, to bring you back to the original OP is about a so called charity and its donations being spent on an unnecessary luxurious office space.

 

[BotanyBay]

To be totally fair it was Race Radio who brought up the off topic Striper Poles. It was the Akbar who pointed out the issues with using that Iron Square Tube as a striper pole would be physically impossible.

Susan just edited-out a bunch of my images for being "off-topic" images. Even though I use them to illustrate on-topic points (usually). So I was just teasing her.

Seriously, do you folks hate my use of imagery? I was blown-away to hear that the mods have gotten a lot of complaints. Apparently they don't think I treat the topic seriously enough when I use imagery. I just like humor and visual language.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Susan just edited-out a bunch of my images for being "off-topic" images. Even though I use them to illustrate on-topic points (usually). So I was just teasing her.

Seriously, do you folks hate my use of imagery? I was blown-away to hear that the mods have gotten a lot of complaints. Apparently they don't think I treat the topic seriously enough when I use imagery. I just like humor and visual language.

A "lot of complaints" probably means Polish, Flicker, Cobblestoned and Andy 1234.

 

[andy1234]

Why should people donate to a charity to fund a "corporate America" office building when their old offices were not costing them anything?


To the highlighted - what does that mean? It is not a business, it is a charity.

Let me ask you a question, how do you think a charity should be run differently than an equivalent sized corporate?
Should the staff be paid less?
Should the management be paid less?
Should they invest less in their unfrastructure?

Genuine question...

 

[andy1234]

A "lot of complaints" probably means Polish, Flicker, Cobblestoned and Andy 1234.

It amazes me that you throw me in with those guys.
I am truly f**ked.

No complaints from me BTW

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

Originally Posted by BotanyBay
Susan just edited-out a bunch of my images for being "off-topic" images...

I know you mean well, but I could honestly do without most of them. I'm 95% positive that the media keeps tabs on what's going on here. The noise detracts from the message.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

Let me ask you a question, how do you think a charity should be run differently than an equivalent sized corporate?
Should the staff be paid less?
Should the management be paid less?
Should they invest less in their unfrastructure?

Genuine question...

How we would know without an open ledger? The macro-bucket annual report makes it nearly impossible (by design) to discern where the money is actually going.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Let me ask you a question, how do you think a charity should be run differently than an equivalent sized corporate?
Should the staff be paid less?
Should the management be paid less?
Should they invest less in their unfrastructure?

Genuine question...

If you are going hat in hand to ask people for money aren't you better off to not try to create the appearance of having lots of it already?

BTW I only threw you in with those other clowns because you are being such a buthead right now.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Andy

Where are the numbers you claim were donated to livestrong because of the appeal the office has ?

You threw it out there now back it up with some numbers.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Let me ask you a question, how do you think a charity should be run differently than an equivalent sized corporate?
Should the staff be paid less?
Should the management be paid less?
Should they invest less in their unfrastructure?

Genuine question...

I'd say they're way overspending for that type of UNFRASTRUCTURE...

What the hell's unfrastructure, anyway?

 

[Benotti69]

How we would know without an open ledger? The macro-bucket annual report makes it nearly impossible (by design) to discern where the money is actually going.

as is their intention

 

[andy1234]

Andy

Where are the numbers you claim were donated to livestrong because of the appeal the office has ?

You threw it out there now back it up with some numbers.

I have ignored your posts twice because if you actually read the posts you will see that I was making a general point about Cisco, Coke etc.
not specific claims.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Let me ask you a question, how do you think a charity should be run differently than an equivalent sized corporate?
Should the staff be paid less?
Should the management be paid less?
Should they invest less in their unfrastructure?

Genuine question...

Genuine answer - people should be compensated appropriatley, and work in a safe and healthy environment.

But when you look at the charity (which keeps being referred to a for-profit entity called Livestrong) expences it is easy to see that it is not be spent appropriatley.

$5 million of the $35 million raised goes on wages - here are some of the roles and renumeration of its top executives...... for a charity!

Doug E. Ulman - President - $285,000
Betty S Otter-Nickerson - COO - $213,122
Philippe G. Hills - EVP Development - $293,200
Greg D.Lee - CFO - $162,942.
Morgan L. Binswanger - Chief of Staff - 191,935
John A. Miller - EVP Mission - $145,396
Melissa Douthit - EVP Advocacy & Engageme $124,010
Mona Patel - EVP People & Organisation - $119,193
Katherine A. McLane - Highly Compensated Employee- $114,060
Ronald A. Kolenic - Highly Compensated Employee - $109,212

 

[andy1234]

I'd say they're way overspending for that type of UNFRASTRUCTURE...

What the hell's unfrastructure, anyway?

Its like an infrastructure, just spelt badly.

Before we go any further, does anyone know what they actually spent on their new unfrastructure?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Its like an infrastructure, just spelt badly.

Before we go any further, does anyone know what they actually spent on their new unfrastructure?

Yeah, more than a charity should.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Oh my mistake. You sound so well informed. I would have thought you were talking about specific instances in your career where you made million dollar decisions based on interior decorating.