Teams & Riders The Lorenzo Finn is not actually a Finn thread

[RedheadDane]

From Avegno, Liguria, he attended school in Genoa. He is half-British, with a father from Sheffield, England.[5]

I guess "Lorenzo Finn is not actually a Finn but his father is from Sheffield thread" would be...a bit long?

 

[SafeBet]

Kid can easily adapt to different conditions.
He won in torrential rain the JRWC last year and was sharp in tropical weather today.

 

[Brullnux]

Its not a bike race without a knucklehead

Nah, Huber played it right. It's his best ever result by some margin, and if he didn't pull then either Finn would have just dropped him and gone solo much earlier, or they'd have become a five again and he'd have been dropped by Finn and maybe lost out on a medal. Huber wasn't in it to win at all costs, and that's fine – if anything it was a pragmatic and sensible decision.

 

[Red Rick]

Kid can easily adapt to different conditions.
He won in torrential rain the JRWC last year and was sharp in tropical weather today.

He's still on the dev team next year? They should definitely mix some races in with the big boys IMO.

 

[SafeBet]

He's still on the dev team next year? They should definitely mix some races in with the big boys IMO.

His plan was to ride with the Devo team for 2 years and add more pro races as he kept developing. I can see him ride a couple Italian classics after the EC.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Great win and no need to push him ahead of the curve.

 

[KZD]

Impressive win today especially given his age.

Finn and Seixas seem to be the two biggest talents for climbing oriented races among younger riders.

 

[SafeBet]

Impressive win today especially given his age.

Finn and Seixas seem to be the two biggest talents for climbing oriented races among younger riders.

I think the 2006 class is stacked with great climbing prospects. Finn and Seixas are surely the most refined, but I think in terms of pure climbing Mateo Ramirez and Adria Pericas are not that far off. And there's Omrzel as well.

 

[Sciatic]

According to wiki, he is half-British. I guess the Italians will take that.

Lorenzo Finn - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Personal life​

From Avegno, Liguria, he attended school in Genoa. He is half-British, with a father from Sheffield, England.[5]

How can they be so sure it's a 50/50 split? Maybe it's more 60/40? Also when referring to national origin wouldn't it usually be phrased half-English?

 

[Brullnux]

Finn's engine is very, very good which I think bodes well for his transition to pro.

 

[Netserk]

He's still on the dev team next year? They should definitely mix some races in with the big boys IMO.

From their schedule this year, he can ride the pre-season stage races, Tour of the Alps, Hungary, Burgos and the non-WT Italian classics with the WT team next year.

 

[Netserk]

How can they be so sure it's a 50/50 split? Maybe it's more 60/40? Also when referring to national origin wouldn't it usually be phrased half-English?

Recombination only affects the share from grandparents and up.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He's not bad.

meh

 

[Red Rick]

Recombination only affects the share from grandparents and up.

It's not even 50/50 to begin with.

We all inherit mitochondrial DNA completely from our mothers, and the Y chromosome contains far less genetic material than the X chromosome.

The idea that it's 50/50 is just propaganda man.

 

[Netserk]

It's not even 50/50 to begin with.

We all inherit mitochondrial DNA completely from our mothers, and the Y chromosome contains far less genetic material than the X chromosome.

The idea that it's 50/50 is just propaganda man.

ChatGPT says that measured in bp, it's rather 48.5/51.5 (for boys; it's very close to 50/50 for girls).

Spoiler: I learned something new today, I thought X and Y didn't recombine at all.

Short answer up front: Only the pseudoautosomal regions (PARs) on the Y recombine with the X — together they’re only a few megabases, so they affect only a few percent of the Y.

How much of the Y is affected?

PAR1 ≈ 2.6–2.7 Mb (the main recombining region in males).

PAR2 ≈ 0.32–0.33 Mb (much smaller and recombines only occasionally).

Total PAR length ≈ 2.9–3.0 Mb. (sum of PAR1 + PAR2).


Y chromosome size and percentage affected

A commonly cited reference length for the human Y is ~59–62 Mb (but Y size is variable between men; recent assemblies show a range ~45–85 Mb).

Using a ~59 Mb Y as an example:

Total PAR (≈3.0 Mb) / 59 Mb ≈ 5.1% of the Y.

PAR1 alone (≈2.7 Mb) / 59 Mb ≈ 4.6% of the Y.


If you use the observed range of Y sizes (≈45.2–84.9 Mb), the PARs cover roughly 3.6% → 6.7% of the Y (smaller Y → larger percentage, larger Y → smaller percentage).


Important nuance about recombination activity

PAR1 is the one that reliably undergoes an obligate crossover in male meiosis (so it recombines frequently). PAR2 recombines much less often and may be functionally minor for X–Y crossing over.

Most of the Y (the male-specific region, MSY) does not recombine with X. That region makes up >90–95% of the Y in typical references.


Bottom line

Only the PARs (≈3 Mb total) recombine with the X, so recombination affects roughly 4–6% of the Y chromosome depending on which Y-length you assume and whether you include PAR2. The rest of the Y is effectively non-recombining (except for rare gene-conversion events).

 

[RedheadDane]

It's not even 50/50 to begin with.

We all inherit mitochondrial DNA completely from our mothers, and the Y chromosome contains far less genetic material than the X chromosome.

The idea that it's 50/50 is just propaganda man.

You could also argue that since he has chosen to ride under Italian flag, then at least in that sense he's 100% Italian.

 

[Lequack]

You could also argue that since he has chosen to ride under Italian flag, then at least in that sense he's 100% Italian.

Mind blown

 

[Mayomaniac]

A Finnish Steel Storm!

 

[Tim Cahill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1971850505338139000

 

[SafeBet]

He literally spent the last 50 km of the race hand gesturing, exchanging words with people and pretending he could do something he has no grasp of whatsoever (archery). It was the most stereotipically Italian hour in the history of cycling.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

He literally spent the last 50 km of the race hand gesturing, exchanging words with people and pretending he could do something he has no grasp of whatsoever (archery). It was the most stereotipically Italian hour in the history of cycling.

No wonder Remco likes him

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1971850505338139000

I was planning on posting the quote just to yank some Italian chains, after hearing his interview. But while it could be interpreted as Evenepoel saying the typical Italian is a dense idiot, that's not what he meant (which was clear in the actual interview). But funnier to interpret it that way, most definitely.

 

[hayneplane]

From their schedule this year, he can ride the pre-season stage races, Tour of the Alps, Hungary, Burgos and the non-WT Italian classics with the WT team next year.

To me he seems too good to leave on the devo team. They can still send him to all the races you listed while allowing the option to race TA/Romandie/Suisse etc for experience.

 

[SafeBet]

No wonder Remco likes him

We'll give Remco Italian honorary citizenship so he can ride the WC with his bff Cattaneo and his new idol Finn.

 

[Netserk]

To me he seems too good to leave on the devo team. They can still send him to all the races you listed while allowing the option to race TA/Romandie/Suisse etc for experience.

I agree, but I don't think the difference is big if he rides some ProSeries races. The upside is that he gets to ride in rainbow during the BabyGiro and Avenir, and the chance of double U23 WC. (Okay, he can do like Nordhagen and also ride the U23 races while on the WT team, so technically WC is the only difference)