There’s a difference between ringing a doorbell once or twice and repeatedly doing it.
Yeah, these teenagers harassed MVDP and his girlfriend for hours on end. That's not normal behavior for kids with a halfway decent upbringing.
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There’s a difference between ringing a doorbell once or twice and repeatedly doing it.
There’s a difference between ringing a doorbell once or twice and repeatedly doing it.
Mass murder by kids at school is a recent development that speaks of a sickening of the mental heath of youth, despite all the psychological pedagogy that's supposed to rear them well.What about all the kids - many of whom have lost classmates and friends - who are fighting to decrease the risk of that happening?
Of course, every generation will have bad people. And every generation will have good people.
Oh I didn’t see that part, my bad. And yes I agree with the rest.Clearly, as I stated, three hours is way too long. Still van der Poel had a lot of solutions at hand that where way better than what he did here (Where it would never have come to it being repeatedly done for three hours). Chasing girls into their hotel room is just a big mistake. Which he has agreed with by now.
And I just don't like being called an idiot. Especially not over something I deem completely acceptable behavior.
What the hell are you on about, Columbine? Columbine was 23 years ago, what do you mean "kids these days"? Do I need to dig up quotes from ancient Rome and even Sumer about how spoilt them youngsters are?Columbine??? Et al! I don't share your optimism.
Mass murder by kids at school is a recent development that speaks of a sickening of the mental heath of youth, despite all the psychological pedagogy that's supposed to rear them well.
The children were repeatedly harassing Van Der Poel, playing outside does not mean harass someone. It means kick the soccer ball, play catch, or ride your bike. Harassing someone does not fall under those categories.Lol, be a bit more respectful mate. With your saint like standards.
Children ringing doorbells once in a while, makes them idiots..
Really hope you don't have any children yourself, cause it must be horrible growing up with a father like you.
Probably they will end up behind screens at the age of 6 the entire day, telling the whole world how to behave better instead of playing outside once in a while.
The children were repeatedly harassing Van Der Poel, playing outside does not mean harass someone. It means kick the soccer ball, play catch, or ride your bike. Harassing someone does not fall under those categories.
And you have some knowledge that the parents of these kids have not tried to instil values into them? At my school, there was corporal punishment, and do you know who the kids receiving it were? The same ones that received it the week before.By setting the example that harassing people is not okay, especially when they tell you to stop. What if they do it to the wrong person and they get killed, raped, kidnapped, or beat up. My parents would have grounded me and made me stand in the corner with my hands up. My fiancés would have gave her a spanking. There’s things the parents can do to show that the behavior isn’t okay or acceptable.
And you absolutely know that she didn't do that? How?She should have apologized for her daughter's behavior and deperived her of something for a while. In other words, teach the creature a lesson.
And nobody has suggested that they should, least of all their father.Because it was going on for 3 hours... There is being childish, and then harassing someone. That line was definitely passed, and just because you are 14 years old you don't get a free pass.
Lol, be a bit more respectful mate. With your saint like standards.
Children ringing doorbells once in a while, makes them idiots..
Really hope you don't have any children yourself, cause it must be horrible growing up with a father like you.
Probably they will end up behind screens at the age of 6 the entire day, telling the whole world how to behave better instead of playing outside once in a while.
It was already established that the parents knew the kids would do this and we’re complacent in it. What value is that? They could have very well instilled other values but they failed on this one as of now.And you have some knowledge that the parents of these kids have not tried to instil values into them? At my school, there was corporal punishment, and do you know who the kids receiving it were? The same ones that received it the week before.
Kids, to widely varying degrees, lack self-restraint; they also vary greatly in how much they lack fear (on the whole, we as cycling fans admire those who lack fear when they can channel that into their sporting performance) and therefore in how quickly and consistently they learn from adult advice, instruction or sanction. But none of us are qualified to say that these parents have not made every effort to teach their kids right from wrong: the lesson has simply not yet be learned.
It might be that they have been thoroughly delinquent as parents, and have made no effort to instill their children with any sense of responsibility at all: I can't say that is not so. But none of us know that to be the case, and all the judgemental comments here are made from a position of ignorance. And while total parental dereliction of duty is very rare, kids finding the combination of peer pressure, the excitement of being in a different environment, and the opportunity to wind up someone who has already shown that they will rise to the bait an irresistible combination, even when they know they will be in trouble if caught, does not surprise me in the least.
Should I start a parenting thread?
Should I start a parenting thread?
Should I start a parenting thread?
Patent nonsense. How could they have known it? They might not have been totally surprised at it, but that doesn't mean that they didn't hope, or have good reason to hope, that the children had learned/matured.It was already established that the parents knew the kids would do this
When left to their own devices teenagers can be really stupid.Patent nonsense. How could they have known it? They might not have been totally surprised at it, but that doesn't mean that they didn't hope, or have good reason to hope, that the children had learned/matured.
Patent nonsense. How could they have known it? They might not have been totally surprised at it, but that doesn't mean that they didn't hope, or have good reason to hope, that the children had learned/matured.
Apparently, Dutch journalists have been in contact with the older sister of the girls who played knock-and-run and she sent them the videos with consent of the parents. (https://www.hln.be/wk-wielrennen/ti...u-van-der-poel-je-hebt-ons-bedreigd~adc33b17/)
Interesting parts in the story:
- They didn't know there was a WC cycling, they were on vacation and had no idea who VDP was.
- The girls were in one room with the parents in the other room. The parents thought the girls were watching a horror movie but the older sister was in the bathroom while the younger sisters were playing knock-and-run. According to the older sister, the younger sisters frequently play knock-and-run in hotels and the parents know about that.
- Before the knock-and-run which is on video and shows VDP chasing the girls into their room, they already played knock-and-run on his door multiple times that evening and even in the afternoon (according to VDP).
- According to the older sister, the parents don't care much about what the girls did but they are mad at VDP and think he got off too easily with a fine.
- The oldest sister feels somewhat bad that VDP had to miss a night's sleep for such an important race over this but her younger sister apparently doesn't care.
Oh please that father... It's obvious the crazy wife wears the pants in that relation.And nobody has suggested that they should, least of all their father.
I find it extraordinary that people consider themselves entitled to make such crass judgements on the grounds of absolutely zero evidence. Have you ever even heard the two parents communicate with each other? Do you know the first thing about their family circumstances or arrangements?Oh please that father... It's obvious the crazy wife wears the pants in that relation.
I'm a teacher: I don't need to be told that. The inhibitors on their behaviour (wisdom, consideration, fear, conscience) are undeveloped. And wishing that not to be the case, and many attempts to move that situation forward, will not be successful. I have known parents absolutely at the end of their tethers, having tried every form of sanction or cajoling that they, or professionals around them, can propose and still that development of empathy and order in their young people's lives has lagged behind that of their peers. I have seen families in which there are siblings who have developed mature reasoning (under the influence of the same parents and circumstances) at extraordinarily different rates.When left to their own devices teenagers can be really stupid.