Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

[CyclistAbi]

But i am sure that some feel yesterday only Remco could follow.

 

[Red Rick]

Yesterday i feel that only Roglič could be able to follow. He would likely be positioned behind van Aert. Pogi would do most of the work and empty himself. As van Aert was on the limit. We know that in such situations it's Roglič that has a bit of an extra kick reserved.

But if Roglič and van der Poel would go over the top together. It's reasonable to expect van der Poel to win the sprint. Hence there would need to be more to it than that. At Cipressa the pace would need to be higher.

Nah Roglic doesn't have that kick on a 2% gradient where MvdP went.

If he's in a good position on the Poggio I back him to be with the Pogacar group over the Poggio, but he'd not be able to follow that final attack.

He'd work with Van Aert and help him get 3rd. Or crash Poggio descent. No risk no glory

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Red Rick

Then Roglič would go a couple of meters before. Pogi went early enough to empty himself by that time. Saving van Aert for sprint. If Roglič would get caught. But obviously van der Poel would need to be soften up on Cipressa.

 

[Salvarani]

He is riding a bit smarter so far this season. Hope it continues.

SB was clearly more preparation and T-N as well. MSR what the big target.

He has found top form again and will be difficult to beat in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hahahhaahaha lolol Roglic can follow but Wout and Pogacar can't!

Thats some delusional Roglic fanboyism if I have ever seen it, this is much worse than Contador's armada of wishfull thinkers

 

[Blanco]

That's the only "problem" I have with him. He's such a big champion, he doesn't need stuff like that, and he's done that quite a few times already.
His form was fine in Tireno already, you don't go from "meh" to "omgwtf" in 1 week.

Apart from that, what a beast! Without a doubt the best on such terrain, by a big margin.

It's not a bad thing at all, it did the trick. Maybe if he was flying at Tirreno, Van Aert wouldn't drag him to Pogacar, or Pogacar wouldn't pulled like a madman with no fear of counter.
The little secrets of the big champions

 

[topcat]

Would peak Alaphilippe have been able to follow yesterday? And will we ever see peak Ala again?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The same goes for you.

You are very kind: I am sure your congratulations will make my inevitable victory, when it finally comes, all the sweeter.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hahahhaahaha lolol Roglic can follow but Wout and Pogacar can't!

Thats some delusional Roglic fanboyism if I have ever seen it, this is much worse than Contador's armada of wishfull thinkers

And don't forget those delusional guys who thought Valverde would have won 2017 Tour.

 

[tobydawq]

You are very kind: I am sure your congratulations will make my inevitable victory, when it finally comes, all the sweeter.

Congratulations Armchair Cyclist* for dissing CyclistAbi.



*Please PM me with a middle name so I can improve my congratulatory remarks for the future.

 

[tobydawq]

And don't forget those delusional guys who thought Valverde would have won 2017 Tour.

He was equal to first on GC when he crashed out.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Hahahhaahaha lolol Roglic can follow but Wout and Pogacar can't!

Thats some delusional Roglic fanboyism if I have ever seen it, this is much worse than Contador's armada of wishfull thinkers

In MS thread you were all over the place on how you find this race boring and will do just about anything but to watch it. So let me refresh your memory on what was really going on. Pogačar was working at front. Like all the time. He was empty before the end of the climb. Ganna and van Aert barely managed to hold on. Roglič in such situation should be able to hold on to van Aerts wheel. And on top of that to add something extra to it. Like it happened numerous times in his career.

So hahaha lololo would likely be a great title for a summer hit song. Beyond that i don't see it.

 

[Red Rick]

Hahahhaahaha lolol Roglic can follow but Wout and Pogacar can't!

Thats some delusional Roglic fanboyism if I have ever seen it, this is much worse than Contador's armada of wishfull thinkers

To be fair to Roglic, he isn't stupid enough to just pull with the other 3 in his wheel.

 

[topcat]

Roglic is a fine cyclist, so good that he has a thread of his own.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Roglic is a fine cyclist, so good that he has a thread of his own.

He is even better than that. That is on why he occasionally gets mentioned in other threads too. When that is appropriate.

Long story short if JV wants to win this race, or at least improve the chances, then bringing both Roglič and van Aert improves that possibility. Roglič to try by pounch and van Aert from sprint. On the same race.

 

[topcat]

He is even better than that. That is on why he occasionally gets mentioned in other threads too. When that is appropriate.

Long story short if JV wants to win this race, or at least improve the chances, then bringing both Roglič and van Aert improves that possibility. Roglič to try by pounch and van Aert from sprint. On the same race.

Roglic should ride MSR. It’s the sprinter’s monument.
Given his skill set, Roglic has done very well.

 

[Ripper]

He is riding a bit smarter so far this season. Hope it continues.

SB was clearly more preparation and T-N as well. MSR what the big target.

He has found top form again and will be difficult to beat in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

Indeed. The one thing I am curious about, and only time will tell, is whether the specific focus on MSR and his form in general will allow for as awesome a performance in the coming monuments. Hopefully yes.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Roglic could never follow an explosive attack like that. In fact I daresay when VDP is in absolute his best day, like SB 2021 or here, nobody can follow an attack that explosive, currently.

 

[vwpe]

Ganna said after he did the highest numbers he has ever done and for MVDP to pull ahead on a climb like this the numbers he can achieve is unfathomable. When hes in form there is noone who can match his raw power output

And Roglic dont make me laugh hes a lvl under Vanaert, Pog and Ganna in raw numbers and they got smoked roglic wouldnt stand a chance. The end.

 

[Sciatic]

Top picture only one of them appears to have a heart rate under 200.

Yup, and I thought as we watched them go over the top MVDP looked less gassed than his three pursuers, and their comments seem to confirm that.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Ganna said after he did the highest numbers he has ever done and for MVDP to pull ahead on a climb like this the numbers he can achieve is unfathomable. When hes in form there is noone who can match his raw power output

And Roglic dont make me laugh hes a lvl under Vanaert, Pog and Ganna in raw numbers and they got smoked roglic wouldnt stand a chance. The end.

Please go away. You're embarrasing. Even if I agree with your "posts".

 

[Sciatic]

When was the last time he had an off day for a target while he had a good day nearby?

Worlds? They I guess we’d have to call it an “off” night.

 

[Bolder]

Would peak Alaphilippe have been able to follow yesterday? And will we ever see peak Ala again?

No, peak Alaf needed a steeper gradient, but yesterday was Strade Bianche level MvdP, and we know how that turned out for him... As for the return of peak Alaphilippe, yesterday he spent some crucial energy catching up after his crash, so I'm not ready to write him off yet...

 

[Valv.Piti]

In MS thread you were all over the place on how you find this race boring and will do just about anything but to watch it. So let me refresh your memory on what was really going on. Pogačar was working at front. Like all the time. He was empty before the end of the climb. Ganna and van Aert barely managed to hold on. Roglič in such situation should be able to hold on to van Aerts wheel. And on top of that to add something extra to it. Like it happened numerous times in his career.

So hahaha lololo would likely be a great title for a summer hit song. Beyond that i don't see it.

Yeah, youre delusional, and youre misrepresentating me.

Roglic at 33 y/o casually following a peak MVDP attack on Poggio as the only rider in the world? Mkay

 

[jmdirt]

That's the only "problem" I have with him. He's such a big champion, he doesn't need stuff like that, and he's done that quite a few times already.
His form was fine in Tireno already, you don't go from "meh" to "omgwtf" in 1 week.

Apart from that, what a beast! Without a doubt the best on such terrain, by a big margin.

That's nothing new, it wouldn't take much effort to find the same from champions of the past. Boonen and Fabio almost always bemoaned 'unknown legs' heading into big targets. Its not a "problem" with MvdP, its gamesmanship that goes back farther than yesterday or last year.