I'm American and grew up in Horner's hometown (San Diego). Love Horner, and his race analysis is good (obviously he knows bike racing), but when it comes to "ranking" riders he's either completely delusional or just trolling at this point (pretty sure it's trolling). As a GT GC guy he has fantasies about having a freakishly talented classics/tt specialist like Wout waste his career to be a domestique for him - a way less talented, scrawny GC guy. I like Wout (was pulling for him today), but at this point it looks like he made a very bad decision hopping on the JV train. As for MVDP vs. Wout, it's been pretty clear over a very, very big sample size that MVDP is the superior bike racer when the criteria is actually winning bike races. As that fat Super Bowl winning football coach Bill Parcells once said, "You are what your record says you are".