Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

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It seems MvdP never regained his Flanders/PR form after taking a long break mid-season. The moral of the story is don't take too much time off the bike during mid-season break.

Regarding his Flanders/PR wins, he's lucky Pog wasn't on the starting line for either race. :D
I think he had a very similar form at the WC. If you see how he raced on a much harder profile. Doubt Pogacar would’ve been able to do anything during Flanders or Roubaix
 
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Pogacar powered away from Mvdp and an entire peloton, belgian and holland team for 100km with pure power and you expect Mvdp to beat him in flandern cause the cobbles are wet?

He might be better tenchnically gifted there but power is still power. I love Mvdp hes a freak but you shoulda seen enough to not cook/reach like that imo:sweatsmile:
Pogacar wasn’t in the same form during that period this year.
 
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They have never raced it, but I'm confident Pogi would've dropped Mathieu.
On wet & slippery cobbles it's unlikely....MvdP knows how to ride in slippery conditions - it's not just power, it's how you put it down, and MvdP isn't a multi time CX World Champion for no reason.

Considering lots of riders had to dismount, it's not guaranteed Pogacar would have had no issues either.

I know Pogacar is good, but come on; are we going to start saying he could beat MvdP in CX next?
 
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On wet & slippery cobbles it's unlikely....MvdP knows how to ride in slippery conditions - it's not just power, it's how you put it down, and MvdP isn't a multi time CX World Champion for no reason.

Considering lots of riders had to dismount, it's not guaranteed Pogacar would have had no issues either.

I know Pogacar is good, but come on; are we going to start saying he could beat MvdP in CX next?
On flat cobbles you are right but on cobbled hills, you need even more power to surpass those hills and Pogacar is a better w/kg rider than MVP. I have a hard time seeing MVP able to follow Pogacar in Koppenberg or Kwaremont.
 
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He was still terrestrial. I just think its a reach bro.

Love Mvdp he is a all time great especially in flandern/robauix better than Boonen/Fabian even for me, hes a absolutely monster but Pog already ridden away from him and 24 Pog is like something weve never seen before.
Love the faith though still think its reaching personally.

You might be right though who knows I wouldnt be confident to put a single dollar on it though.
I’ve only seen Pogacar beat MVDP at Flanders once, and as we know MVDP was able to get to a better form at WC’23 and this years spring. I can imagine Pogacar beating MVDP in his current form though, but not how he was riding in spring.

Pogacar is just a god in wet conditions. He was bronze in Glasgow because it was raining. He was in awful shape.
He came 3rd more than 2min behind MVDP. No clue why he would be in awful shape, he was 3rd. The course wasn’t suited to him.
 
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I’ve only seen Pogacar beat MVDP at Flanders once, and as we know MVDP was able to get to a better form at WC’23 and this years spring. I can imagine Pogacar beating MVDP in his current form though, but not how he was riding in spring.


He came 3rd more than 2min behind MVDP. No clue why he would be in awful shape, he was 3rd. The course wasn’t suited to him.
But a 80% Pogacar is still better than everyone else bar 2 or 3 riders
 
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I'm a VdP fan and all, but no way did he have a better season than Remco.
VdP did have a phenomenal month or so in late March-April though, and I wish he had not waited to help JP at MSR.
Do we count his WC in CX and Gravel? I think you should.

RVV-PR double should be valued higher than the Olympics double. At least to me.

Worlds ITT is on par with WC in CX and Gravel, if we count that.

Podium in Tour is a point to Remco. As well Lombardia.

In terms of wins it is pretty even, but I would have it 60-40 in favor for Remco.
 
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I think he had a very similar form at the WC. If you see how he raced on a much harder profile. Doubt Pogacar would’ve been able to do anything during Flanders or Roubaix
Did we forget that Pog rode MvdP off his wheel to win Flanders in 2023? Pog likes MvdP so he decided to skip Flanders this year to let him have another chance to win. He will be back with a vengeance though in 2025 to win Flanders and PR in the rainbow jersey. :D
 
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Did we forget that Pog rode MvdP off his wheel to win Flanders in 2023? Pog likes MvdP so he decided to skip Flanders this year to let him have another chance to win. He will be back with a vengeance though in 2025 to win Flanders and PR in the rainbow jersey. :D
I didn't forget, I also didn't forget WC 2023. Which MVDP himself said he was in best shape ever, which he also showed in Flanders-PR 2024.
 

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Well I expect some money has changed hands and now those "extra" races suddenly look more appealing to race in
Not sure those races can pay him enough money to possibly have a negative impact on his road season. He just wants be sure he wins his 7th WC, and is willing to put in the work for that.
 
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He did 14 races last season and was at his best in the classics. You just knew he wouldn't only ride 3-4 races because he wants another WC.
A little less but perfect schedule to get better untill the Worlds, if necessary. They love to race XC, good intensity training and some good entry fee.
 
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