The notorious doping doctors thread

[thehog]

Here's a list of the 67 medical staff I have listed for various doping-related reasons. Many of them will be familiar to you already:

ALESSANDRI Flavio IT
ANDREAZZOLI Andrea IT
ARRATIBEL Iñaki ES
BAETSLE Linda BE (Nurse)
BARTALUCCI Fabio IT
BEDOUCHA Philippe FR
BELTRÁN Alberto CO
BESNATI Massimo IT
BONAZZI Fiorenzo Egeo IT
BRUSOMINI Augusto IT
BUZZONI Daniele IT
CASONI Ilario IT
CECCHINI Luigi IT
CELAYA Pedro ES
CHOINA Marcus PL (Endocrinologist)
CONCONI Francesco IT
CORDOVA Alfredo ES
DENEVE Daniel BE
DÍAZ JIMÉNEZ Fernando ES
FERRARI Michele IT
FICEK Krzysztof PL
FRANKE Andreas DE
FRANZÉ Domenicantonio IT
FUENTES Eufemiano ES
FUENTES Yolanda ES
GARCIA DEL MORAL Luis ES
GRAZZI Giovanni IT
GUARDASCIONE Carlo IT
HEINRICH Lothar DE
HOYOS Jesús ES
IBARGUREN José ES
JAKOB Ernst DE
KONINGS Maria NL (Nurse)
LAZZARO Enrico IT
LEBON Theo BE
LEINDERS Geert BE
LOSA Jesús ES
MAGNI Emilio IT
MANELLI Filippo IT
MANFREDINI Fabio IT
MANTOVANI Massimiliano IT
MAYNAR Marcos ES
MAZZONI Gianni IT
MENUET Jean-Jacques FR
MERINO BATRES José Luis ES (Haematologist)
MIKHAILOV Andrei RU
NEDELEC Patrick FR
PERUZZI Giuliano IT
REMPI Roberto IT
RIBEIRO Basil PT
RIJKAERT Eric BE
RODRIGUEZ Manuel ES
SAGASTI Maria ES
SAINZ Bernard FR
SANDERS Wim NL
SANTUCCIONE Carlo IT
SCHMID Andreas DE
SCHMIDT Mark DE
SEGUI Christian FR
SPECHTER Achim DE
SPRENGER Claudio IT
TARSI Daniele IT
TERRADOS Nicolas ES
VANMOL Yvan BE
VIRÚ Walter PE
VREHEN Karin NL (Nurse)
WOUTERS Monica NL (Nurse)

But they're not all Doctors. And you've added no dialogue to whom they work with and what they prescribe.

Which teams?

 

[JRTinMA]

Well, Netserk did a good and appropriate edit (good work) but the obvious answer to most notorious has to be the one who dopes 'young men'!

It seems you are just here to disrupt an interesting thread the hog has started. You certainly are earning that loon title you branded yourself with.

 

[Big Doopie]

Fcuking italian doctors, man. It is embarrassing.

How dare you point at one nation!?

Don't you know that to post in the clinic you must say that everyone and every nation dopes exactly the same, no matter the laws of different countries.

You must be a racist.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

How dare you point at one nation!?

Don't you know that to post in the clinic you must say that everyone and every nation dopes exactly the same, no matter the laws of different countries.

You must be a racist.

You are Australian/american/brit?

 

[Heckler]

Maurice Duquette, Canada, banned for life in 2009 along with coach André Aubut.

The saddest part of the story is they were convicted of doping Geneviève Jeanson, from the time she was 16.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jeansons-coach-and-doctor-banned-for-life

thx to Blk Cat for jogging my memory.

 

[Big Doopie]

You are Australian/american/brit?

You do realize that what I said was tongue in cheek, right? Why I added all the emoticons...

 

[Zam_Olyas]

You do realize that what I said was tongue in cheek, right? Why I added all the emoticons...

Just interested. It is okay if you do not answer.

 

[rata de sentina]

And he was able to give the facade of being good when actually being bad.

Didn't he become good again?

or am I thinking of Sassi?

Conconi just about invented scientific doping.

As for Sassi, I don't think he was medically qualified, more of a scientist. His early involvement in doping appears quite peripheral. Certainly it was Conconi/Ferrari who ran Moser's blood doping efforts. Of course he was DS at Mapei and I'm sure there was plenty of doping there but Squinzi was avowedly anti-doping. Anyway in later years Sassi was vehemently anti-doping but I'm not sure you could say that was a huge turn-around.

 

[Nick777]

And he was able to give the facade of being good when actually being bad.

Didn't he become good again?

or am I thinking of Sassi?

Wasn't Conconi the guy the UCI got to try to develop an EPO test, which he attempted whilst administering EPO on the side?

 

[42x16ss]

Yes indeed.

No mention of Allen Lim, of TdF 2006 fame.

 

[L'arriviste]

Excellent work, L'arri, as to be expected.

Of course, the very first thing I did was check out dopeology.org, but I didn't immediately spot a "doctors" subset or similar.

Did I miss something?
(Or did you post that all from memory? )

You're right. There is no way of filtering such a list. Yet.

Nice to see a veterinarian for a change.

Funny thing to me was when I realized a few years back that I had raced against the guy in Bordeaux-Paris 25 years ago (in 1986 or 1988).

(I think his lawyer friend Lavelot was there as well)

Oof, what a tiring race. That said, Sainz was quite the "toubib" for uppers.

I appreciate your insight: reading articles down the years, Lavelot and Sainz did seem to be inseparable, a sort of odd couple. They certainly helped inculpate each other when the police came calling. IIRC, Lavelot stored the bulk of Sainz's effects in his office.

Strictly speaking, Sainz (aka "Dr Mabuse") shouldn't be in the list because he has no medical qualifications whatsoever, but he's probably one of the longest serving dope "docs" of all time. His client list goes waaaayyyy back.

But they're not all Doctors. And you've added no dialogue to whom they work with and what they prescribe.

Which teams?

Yep, it's just a list to help jog folks' memory for the purposes of discussion. Happy to delete if you think it's not a useful contribution.

 

[Mr.38%]

Stefan Matschiner

 

[Mishrak]

Wasn't Conconi the guy the UCI got to try to develop an EPO test, which he attempted whilst administering EPO on the side?

Francesco Conconi - Introduced EPO into cycling by fooling the IOC (and using their money), claiming to be developing a test when actually he was developing the drug. http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/2/16...on-the-causes-of-doping-francesco-conconi-and

Was the IOC, not the UCI

Also from the wiki on Conconi:

Clients of Conconi [edit]
Gianni Bugno, former World Champion & winner Giro d'Italia
Maurizio Damilano
Luigi Della Bianc
Emma Scaunich
Mario Cipollini, former world champion
Laurent Fignon, Tour de France winner
Miguel Indurain, Tour de France winner
Francesco Moser
Denis Zanette, died suspiciously at the dentist's[30]

 

[goggalor]

On Cecchini



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cecchini-denies-sending-cipollini-to-dr-fuentes

Thomas Dekker has said similar things. He even visited Cecchini with a documentary crew before signing for Garmin, said he was like an uncle. I'm not sure he's a saint, but he's no Geert Leinders either.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Stefan Matschiner

He's a classic example of what happens if you have no idea about medicine. All of your athletes get busted.

 

[zebedee]

He's a classic example of what happens if you have no idea about medicine. All of your athletes get busted.

What about Conte and 'Memo' Heredia? They were not doctors but clearly knew a lot about pharmacy.

Conte only got busted after a jealous Trevor Graham sent in a sample of his invisible gear. Up to then he was happily dispensing a whole array of pharmaceuticals to his athletes with no other doctor in sight.

 

[thehog]

What about Conte and 'Memo' Heredia? They were not doctors but clearly knew a lot about pharmacy.

Conte only got busted after a jealous Trevor Graham sent in a sample of his invisible gear. Up to then he was happily dispensing a whole array of pharmaceuticals to his athletes with no other doctor in sight.

Some feel Conte was more a salesman than a Doctor.

But he does appear to know a lot about 'supplements'.

He's not a bloodman though.

 

[frenchfry]

We could also class them by specialty.

For example, Fuentes - gynocologist, Duquette - orthopedist, etc.

 

[thehog]

We could also class them by specialty.

For example, Fuentes - gynocologist, Duquette - orthopedist, etc.

Yes I would agree.

What was Leinders? A GP? Or does he specialise?

 

[blackcat]

We could also class them by specialty.

For example, Fuentes - gynocologist, Duquette - orthopedist, etc.

and alternative sports.

triathlon
rowing
swimming

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It seems you are just here to disrupt an interesting thread the hog has started. You certainly are earning that loon title you branded yourself with.

Still butthurt from the Walsh tweet, eh?

It was a trolling thread - but now has the potential to turn in to an interesting thread after a Mod gutted the OPs post.
However thehog is still determined to highlight one particular person. You might want to avoid supporting them as it didn't work well for you before.

 

[Race Radio]

Dr. Herman Falsetti - 1984 Olympics transfusion. I think Meat got Hep from that

Sabino Padilla- Indurian's needle man

 

[thehog]

Conconi just about invented scientific doping.

As for Sassi, I don't think he was medically qualified, more of a scientist. His early involvement in doping appears quite peripheral. Certainly it was Conconi/Ferrari who ran Moser's blood doping efforts. Of course he was DS at Mapei and I'm sure there was plenty of doping there but Squinzi was avowedly anti-doping. Anyway in later years Sassi was vehemently anti-doping but I'm not sure you could say that was a huge turn-around.

Excellent information. Thank-you.

 

[thehog]

Wasn't Conconi the guy the UCI got to try to develop an EPO test, which he attempted whilst administering EPO on the side?

He was. Or I think it was the IOC who wanted the test.

 

[Mr.38%]

He's a classic example of what happens if you have no idea about medicine. All of your athletes get busted.

This is the classic example of what happens if you have no idea about the topic. You are posting bs.

If everyone was as careful, humble and empathic, nobody would be getting caught. (Un)fortunately most athlets are greedy and fall for even greedier trainers/consultants/managers.