The official CBS 60 minutes thread

[GJB123]

I missed it. Fignon wrote what he wrote. Greg never responded because he didn't have to. My only point and I guess it's a weak one, everybody is guilty. You are of the school that those who are outed are more guilty than those that are never or yet to be discovered. Point then and now, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean your not guilty.

George and company are probably wondering how he is nabbed for misdeeds he thought he had survived. You should maybe live a little riskier name some riders that you think are clean and watch your theory crumble. I wonder how may guys who raced with Greg are stewing watching him act so righteous..time will tell. You see what holier than thou got for Lance

Fact is that even years on none of those guys who might stewing have come forward to nail him. That should tell you something. If there are guys out there stewing at his "righteousness" (as you put it), where are they and what's keeping then from coming forward.

Pathetic Amstrong fanboi-stuff, that's what it is. The big man is coming down Hindenburg-style but nobody in his entourage has had the guts to tell him so.

Regards
GJ

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I missed it. Fignon wrote what he wrote. Greg never responded because he didn't have to. My only point and I guess it's a weak one, everybody is guilty. You are of the school that those who are outed are more guilty than those that are never or yet to be discovered. Point then and now, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean your not guilty.

Your point is weak and so is your attempt to shift discussion away from the topic of this thread.

I read what Fignon wrote, and Greg was a partier, but nobody who raced with himhas accused Greg of doping. Nobody. On the contrary, everyone has praised his talent.

The only people making innuendos and accusations are Armstrong and his coterie of lemmings.

 

[SpeedWay]

Another pathetic attempt to attack Lemond. I know it's a difficult and trying time for the Lance chamois-sniffer crowd, but at least try to maintain some semblance of dignity.

Not that I'm not enjoying watching you guys lose it. It's beautiful.

Not that it interests you, the truth that is, but you haters are losing in the court of pubic opinion. An ESPN poll reveals that although 63% of the tourists believe your antichrist doped, 70% still have a favorable opinion of him. You're not doing a good enough job of "spreading the hate" apparently. Better get busy and stop patting yourselves on the back.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/6569143/do-believe-tyler-hamilton

 

[skippythepinhead]

I missed it. Fignon wrote what he wrote. Greg never responded because he didn't have to. My only point and I guess it's a weak one, everybody is guilty. You are of the school that those who are outed are more guilty than those that are never or yet to be discovered. Point then and now, just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean your not guilty.

George and company are probably wondering how he is nabbed for misdeeds he thought he had survived. You should maybe live a little riskier name some riders that you think are clean and watch your theory crumble. I wonder how may guys who raced with Greg are stewing watching him act so righteous..time will tell. You see what holier than thou got for Lance

The saddest part of the "everybody did it/lied about it defense" is that you wouldn't accept it if an eight year-old tried to pull it, but you're willing to put it out there for The Greatest American Hero of Cycling and Cancer and Everything Important in Like the History of Ever.

At what point will you demand responsibility?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hey Fanboy "Speedway", don´t talk like your love Pharmstrong does, by telling half truths.

The poll shows 70% are in favour of Epo-Lance, but it´s the same with McGwire... Some US-Citiziens are just too much brainwashed by, and obsessed with, local Fox-News and the Sports-Entertainment-Group (Espn).

A much more intereting look is how the "world"* see´s him: 40% against him. That´s very much for a rider being "the worlds greatest ever (LOL)". Just imagine a poll with Jerry Rice on Espn; 98% would be in favour of him. That says it all.

* and i bet it´s 70% against him in the countries that own a GT. Your love is not welcomed here anymore. That´s what counts

 

[Polish]

+1. The facial expressions were really Oprah.
But Tyler was really truly sincere and was visibly having trouble to 'stay dry' at times.
For what it's worth, Tyler just came in second (after Floyd) on my list of favorite cycling personalities.

You fully right, btw: first lying and then coming clean makes sense, the other way around doesn't. Only the saddest of fanboys don't understand that.

Are you saying that once you "come clean" you stop lying?
That is a bit naive sniper, don't you think?

IBelieveTylerNow.com

But no, coming clean does not mean you no longer lie lol.
Sucker born every minute.
"Lance put a drop under my tongue"
"Lance squirted it. Lance squirted a drop of awesomeness"

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, whatever.
ONCE bitten, twice venga venga.
Drama Queen is as Drama Queen does.

 

[VeloCity]

Not that it interests you, the truth that is, but you haters are losing in the court of pubic opinion. An ESPN poll reveals that although 63% of the tourists believe your antichrist doped, 70% still have a favorable opinion of him. You're not doing a good enough job of "spreading the hate" apparently. Better get busy and stop patting yourselves on the back.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/6569143/do-believe-tyler-hamilton

Which represents a clear downward trend from where Armstrong used to be - couple of years ago, those numbers would've been significantly more in Armstrong's favor. And of course, the ball has only really just begun to roll - let's revisit those numbers again a year or so from now.

 

[Scirea]

The only thing I definitely know is that Lance won't go to jail, will keep all his wins and that this story here is about Tyler in first place. Just in case you forgot that. Looks like that. "Thank you Tyler, btw, but you can go now if that was all, so that we can continue with the hunt...."
I know - hope is still strong in the clinic, and even stronger now, for whatever reason. lol

And you are wrong in the only thing you 'definitely know'. Marion Jones did like 1/10 what Armstrong did and guess where she ended up?

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

"Lance put a drop under my tongue"
"Lance squirted it. Lance squirted a drop of awesomeness"

<snip>

In your dreams, in your dreams....

 

[Scirea]

Oh wait, Hincapie also said the story is BS that he told the FDA anything.

It seems like you don't understand your own language. Hincapie never said he didn't talk to the FDA. He said he didn't talk to '60 Minutes' about talking to the FDA. Try to understand the difference.

 

[Polish]

In your dreams, in your dreams....

Yes, my dreams - but Tylers version of reality.
I'm so jealous

 

[blutto]

LeMond has got to be feeling a bit better after all this as well. He lost his bike brand due to his suggestions Lance couldn't be trusted.

...please note that the LeMond bike brand imploded not once but twice...and Trek stepped in after the first implosion and saved the brand...

...and draw whatever conclusions you want from this, but the fact is that in both cases, the only common thread is LeMond himself...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Lance has been squirting drops of awesomeness on the tongues of his fanboys for awhile now. I think that's why their posts are so informative.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Anyway...back to the real world and the actual topic. Looks like the New Yorker finally dragged their lazy butts into it this morning. Must have watched the show last night.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

...please note that the LeMond bike brand imploded not once but twice...and Trek stepped in after the first implosion and saved the brand...

...and draw whatever conclusions you want from this, but the fact is that in both cases, the only common thread is LeMond himself...

Cheers

blutto

The conclusion I draw is that you're struggling to defend your hero. I guess only you know what relevance the Trek and Lemond brands have to do with the 60 minutes episode last night.

Jeers,
Moose

 

[Steel4Ever]

Speaking of brands...good to see CN still believes in Lance (or at least Lance's advertising dollars) and still willing to show the yellow wristband propaganda.

 

[ManInFull]

The conclusion I draw is that you're struggling to defend your hero. I guess only you know what relevance the Trek and Lemond brands have to do with the 60 minutes episode last night.

Jeers,
Moose

The Fanboys have moved beyond reason. I bet they are busy looking for dirt on Hincappie.

 

[Kennf1]

One thing that puzzled me a little about Tyler's statements was the way he described he got started. As I recall, Dr. Prentice Steffen said that Tyler and Marty Jemison approached him in 1996 about getting on a program. Steffen reported it to Gorski, and left the team at the end of '96. Tyler's statements make it sound like the first time he considered drugs was when he asked Lance for epo, or when he got his white lunch bag (not sure about the timing here).

 

[Mellow Velo]

Not that it interests you, the truth that is, but you haters are losing in the court of pubic opinion. An ESPN poll reveals that although 63% of the tourists believe your antichrist doped, 70% still have a favorable opinion of him. You're not doing a good enough job of "spreading the hate" apparently. Better get busy and stop patting yourselves on the back.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/6569143/do-believe-tyler-hamilton

According to that poll, you could just as easily point to one third, seeing taking drugs to cheat as an endearing characteristic.

It won't be the court of public opinion that Lance ends up in.

 

[MacRoadie]

I wonder how may guys who raced with Greg are stewing watching him act so righteous..time will tell. You see what holier than thou got for Lance

Greg retired 17 years ago, Lance retired what, last week?

Time sure seems to be telling rather slowly for Greg compared to His Holiness..

 

[Magic Spanner]

Greg retired 17 years ago, Lance retired what, last week?

Time sure seems to be telling rather slowly for Greg compared to His Holiness..

TBH no-one's really interested in Greg if he doped, which I doubt. There are zero non cycling fans in Europe who have heard of him. However there are millions of non cycling fans who can name 1 cyclist.

There's only 1 story here.

 

[Black-Balled]

Editor needs coffee, more.

Bad paragraphing:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110523/sp_afp/cyclingusaarmstrongdoping

I reached out to Lance Armstrong and he helped me out," Hamilton said. "The next day or two a packet arrived with enough EPO. Lance confirmed he would send me something and it did arrive.

"Sure it was an illegal doping product. But he helped out a friend. I would have done the same thing for Lance."
Armstrong’s legal counsel Mark Fabiani, issued this statement on the "facts4lance" website in response to Sunday’s broadcast on the CBS network:

"Throughout this entire process CBS has demonstrated a serious lack of journalistic fairness and has elevated sensationalism

 

[DirtyWorks]

This from the same man who claims at the beginning of the piece that he's been covering the TdF for "the past 5...7 years."

Scott Pelley talked about blood doping in 2000 like it was some sort of revelation. Uh, 1984? Hullo????
...

There was also this over-inflated remark, "Hamilton has told a story that may change the history of sports."...

I saw a lot of this in some of Floyd's interview from last year. Many times, the reporters seemed so shocked by the information, that they failed to address the underlying problem properly. They just can't relate to the matter-of-factness that comes from something so deeply woven into the culture of cycling.

As you point out, the basic story has been around for a long, long time now. The News Show formula is basically packaging a modest number of known facts as if they discovered them. And then stuff them inside a sufficiently dramatic plot. Then the reporter has to position himself as an expert in the subject matter while behaving on-camera in a way that adds more sizzle. That sausage making process sometimes destroys a legitimate story. 60 minutes got the basic story exactly right.

I think it's hardly controversial that the worst thing that could happen is the prosecutions end with Wonderboy. There's at least a couple more major scandals that an SI, NYT, 60 minutes or a similar outfit could cover. They can't do it all at once though. So, slow and steady.

 

[MacRoadie]

TBH no-one's really interested in Greg if he doped, which I doubt. There are zero non cycling fans in Europe who have heard of him. However there are millions of non cycling fans who can name 1 cyclist.

There's only 1 story here.

Of course there's only one story. Unfortunately, for the receivers of the Lance Awesomeness Droplets, the mission to deride the story includes dropping wholly unassociated and unsolicited derisives about Greg LeMond in every thread about Lance.

You could come on here and start a thread about Lance's water use (documented fact) and some clown would eventually pop on to tell us how much Greg liked to party, or why his bike business collapsed, or how many guys are waiting in the wings to spill their guts about Greg doping.

Pretty sure the words "Greg LeMond" never appeared or were uttered at any time during the 60 Minutes segment.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, the tools came out of the shed today.

Anyway, don't know if this has been discussed, but it sounded to me like, when Tyler was talking about the hotel blood transfusions, the stopped by a hotel that WASN'T the hotel they were staying in to get the transfusions. Simple and brilliant if true. You get someone to get a room somewhere off the beaten path where you do your dirty business, and then when they check the hotel you are staying in, no problem for you because there is nothing there.