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[MacRoadie]

I love kids...

and baseball, and hot dogs, and mom's apple pie, and God bless these United States of America.

 

[VeloGirl]

To me, the most important thing is for the general public to know that he was a doper. I will be shocked if the Justice Department can get any kind of charges to stick.

I think the problem with this, though, is that the average Joe won't care - they will bring up the millions of dollars wasted just to prove a cyclist was doping.

People at work are always surprised at my response when they mention LAs doping "allegations". I think they expect me to defend him and they end up having this glazed over look on their faces when I tell them how I really feel. Suddenly, I become the bad guy.

 

[Deagol]

I think the problem with this, though, is that the average Joe won't care - they will bring up the millions of dollars wasted just to prove a cyclist was doping.

People at work are always surprised at my response when they mention LAs doping "allegations". I think they expect me to defend him and they end up having this glazed over look on their faces when I tell them how I really feel. Suddenly, I become the bad guy.

same thing happened to me at work today...

 

[flicker]

Are you saying that once you "come clean" you stop lying?
That is a bit naive sniper, don't you think?

IBelieveTylerNow.com

But no, coming clean does not mean you no longer lie lol.
Sucker born every minute.
"Lance put a drop under my tongue"
"Lance squirted it. Lance squirted a drop of awesomeness"

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, whatever.
ONCE bitten, twice venga venga.
Drama Queen is as Drama Queen does.

Tyler has an awesome record of truthfullness.

The question is did Lance squirt or dribble. Novitzky will get to the bottom of this. In about 11 years.

 

[MacRoadie]

The question is did Lance squirt or dribble. Novitzky will get to the bottom of this. In about 11 years.

Well, if they'd just subpoena you two, we'd find out one helluva lot faster...

 

[Spider1964]

Tyler Hamilton's Lawyer on Why His Client Came Clean

Interesting comments from Tylers Lawyer regarding Lance's lawyers wanting to enter into a joint defense agreement -

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2011/05/mandersoninterview.html

Q "Have you interacted much with lawyers representing any of the other cyclists that have been linked to the investigation?

A I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I don't think my guy is a defendant.""

 

[MacRoadie]

Interesting comments from Tylers Lawyer regarding Lance's lawyers wanting to enter into a joint defense agreement -

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2011/05/mandersoninterview.html

Q "Have you interacted much with lawyers representing any of the other cyclists that have been linked to the investigation?

A I have heard from Lance's lawyers from the very beginning. Before Tyler testified to the grand jury, Lance's lawyers...wanted to enter into a joint defense agreement. I told them, "I don't think my guy is a defendant.""

Yeah. Nice ploy to try and get Tyler silenced under attorney-client priviledge.

 

[richwagmn]

Does anyone think the events of recent days will it make it more likely that Contador is banned? I can't see how he gets off at this time.

Also, the extra segment where Tyler talked about battling weight surprised me and made me think more about AC using clen to lose weight. Who'd have thought cyclists would need to diet (ok, I'm being naive).

 

[DirtyWorks]

Does anyone think the events of recent days will it make it more likely that Contador is banned? I can't see how he gets off at this time.

Also, the extra segment where Tyler talked about battling weight surprised me and made me think more about AC using clen to lose weight. Who'd have thought cyclists would need to diet (ok, I'm being naive).

Pat's strongest product, the TdF, needs last year's top-3. ASO gets better viewership that way.

As for weight loss, play around with your own Watts/Kilo ratio and you'll see how important losing the kilos can be.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well, if they'd just subpoena you two, we'd find out one helluva lot faster...

LMAO. Well played, sir.

 

[Merckx index]

Does anyone think the events of recent days will it make it more likely that Contador is banned? I can't see how he gets off at this time.

Don't think it will affect his case in the slightest. But it's conceivable that indictments could be handed down in the Novitzky investigation within days of when the CAS decision comes through. Think about that. No fewer than 9 GT titles might be at stake.

 

[djconnel]

To the contrary, it only reinforces my feeling that the UCI is too concerned about the damage it would cause to have Contador forfeit his results this year. Contador has really upped the stakes with his performance in the Giro.

 

[GJB123]

And Hein Verbruggen has now reacted in a Dutch newspaper, "Algemeen Dagblad" and it makes for astonishing reading (the excerpts that were published online).

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1021/Meer-sp...ieus-over-beschuldigingen-aan-Armstrong.dhtml

Loosely translated the most important part (besides the ubiquitous denial of the cover-up) states the following:

Ik herhaal het nog maar eens: Lance Armstrong heeft nooit doping gebruikt. Nooit, nooit, nooit. En dat zeg ik niet omdat ik zogenaamd een vriend van hem zou zijn, want dat is helemaal niet zo. Ik zeg het, omdat ik er zeker van ben.

I will repeat it once again: Lance Armstrong never doped. Never, never, never. And I don't just say that because I am supposed to be his friend, because I am not. I say so because I am absolutely sure of that.

I find this absolutely baffling. That he denies any wrongdoing over the TdS -doping case was to be expected, but an unequivocal support of Lance Amstrong under the current circumstances and given the fact that you can never actually be sure unless you have monitored someone 24/7, defies believe. He is going to fall and fall hard. Obviously his fate is now so intertwined with that of Armstrong that he has no other options left?

Regards
GJ

 

[leftover pie]

I find this absolutely baffling. That he denies any wrongdoing over the TdS -doping case was to be expected, but an unequivocal support of Lance Amstrong under the current circumstances and given the fact that you can never actually be sure unless you have monitored someone 24/7, defies believe. He is going to fall and fall hard. Obviously his fate is now so intertwined with that of Armstrong that he has no other options left?

it's all starting to remind me of the final scene of butch cassidy and the sundance kid

 

[thehog]

And Hein Verbruggen has now reacted in a Dutch newspaper, "Algemeen Dagblad" and it makes for astonishing reading (the excerpts that were published online).

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1021/Meer-sp...ieus-over-beschuldigingen-aan-Armstrong.dhtml

Loosely translated the most important part (besides the ubiquitous denial of the cover-up) states the following:

I find this absolutely baffling. That he denies any wrongdoing over the TdS -doping case was to be expected, but an unequivocal support of Lance Amstrong under the current circumstances and given the fact that you can never actually be sure unless you have monitored someone 24/7, defies believe. He is going to fall and fall hard. Obviously his fate is now so intertwined with that of Armstrong that he has no other options left?

Regards
GJ

That's cool!

You know why?

Because just say he did know Lance never doped the only way he'd know this is by seeing his drug tests - which proves one thing he has access to such information? Now if he doesn't know via the drug tests then Lance must have told him? And we know what cyclists are like telling us that they're clean.

But what the hell is he doing supporting any rider? Did Hamilton and Landis get this kind of support when they tested positive.

My god. What web we've weaved.

 

[L'arriviste]

That's cool!

You know why?

Because just say he did know Lance never doped the only way he'd know this is by seeing his drug tests - which proves one thing he has access to such information? Now if he doesn't know via the drug tests then Lance must have told him? And we know what cyclists are like telling us that they're clean.

But what the hell is he doing supporting any rider? Did Hamilton and Landis get this kind of support when they tested positive.

My god. What web we've weaved.

+1. I wince every time I read the UCI or Verbruggen openly defending Armstrong. You could expect attempts to discredit the statements of TH and FL (against the UCI) but it is quite another thing to come out in support of LA. A supposedly impartial, international representative organisation playing that fiddle. It's either completely undignified and unprofessional or it shows us that the UCI actually consists of only two people.

 

[just some guy]

+1. I wince every time I read the UCI or Verbruggen openly defending Armstrong. You could expect attempts to discredit the statements of TH and FL (against the UCI) but it is quite another thing to come out in support of LA. A supposedly impartial, international representative organisation playing that fiddle. It's either completely undignified and unprofessional or it shows us that the UCI actually consists of only two people.

It is Undignified and very unprofessional - but they can´t jump ship now, that boat sailed in the late 90´s or maybe even in the 60´s for another thread perhaps.

Only an investigation of independent means will show the truth , but probably that will never come out.

 

[Hollister]

Lance doped like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I would never trust anyone who works for the federal government and shaves their head.

For 60 Minutes, I'll be back in a minute after I go puke and that goes for all the American news shows. They are right there with the fed's and the Wall Street guys too. Such honesty.

I can't believe my tax money is supporting this. In the end it proves nothing to me. Lance is still one of the greatest cyclist that ever lived.

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

You know why is because Lance didn't have to dope, but most everyone else did to be at his level. It's that simple.

No one could compete with Lance in mental and physical strength. No one would train and prepare like him either.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

 

[rhubroma]

Yes, but what I don't get, is the strategy behind such emphatic remarks of the former UCI president.

Given what people know about the sport, with so many top riders having been busted over the last years, including nearly all of LA's rivals: how can he come out with such a brazen conviction? And not seem like a total a-hole, who will say anything merely to not be indicted for any wrong doing?

A more reasoned strategy would have been to simply declare complete estrangement from a cover-up affair. But to say he can personally testify to Lance's athletic purity, in light of all the spoken testimony, circumstantial and professional evidence, is frankly outrageous.

 

[thehog]

Yes, but what I don't get, is the strategy behind such emphatic remarks of the former UCI president.

Given what people know about the sport, with so many top riders having been busted over the last years, including nearly all of LA's rivals: how can he come out with such a brazen conviction? And not seem like a total a-hole, who will say anything merely to not be indicted for any wrong doing?

A more reasoned strategy would have been to simply declare complete estrangement from a cover-up affair. But to say he can personally testify to Lance's athletic purity, in light of all the spoken testimony, circumstantial and professional evidence, is frankly outrageous.

I think McQuaid is capable of such rational but Hein is like a crazy dictator on the way down. He doesn't care if anyone doped. He doesn't like people let alone a cyclist whom he views as second class citizens criticizing the organisation. Look at the tone in his letters to Floyd years ago with the Mercury affair. Even Armstrong warned Floyd not to mess with the UCI. Hein doesn’t actually need to say anything. He could hide behind carefully worded press releases for another 10 years. I don’t know why he’s always on about “defending the honour” of the UCI. Strange man.

Now in saying all these when you read the AP reports its printed as: “UCI staunchly denies any cover up and is taking legal action again Floyd Landis”. It reads like all is ok and Floyd is mad and will be sued.

 

[Anonymous]

Lance doped like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I would never trust anyone who works for the federal government and shaves their head.

For 60 Minutes, I'll be back in a minute after I go puke and that goes for all the American news shows. They are right there with the fed's and the Wall Street guys too. Such honesty.

I can't believe my tax money is supporting this. In the end it proves nothing to me. Lance is still one of the greatest cyclist that ever lived.

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

You know why is because Lance didn't have to dope, but most everyone else did to be at his level. It's that simple.

No one could compete with Lance in mental and physical strength. No one would train and prepare like him either.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

THAT is a spectacular first post.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

THAT is a spectacular first post.

Lance was the greatest. No more.

 

[Ferminal]

Lance doped like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I would never trust anyone who works for the federal government and shaves their head.

For 60 Minutes, I'll be back in a minute after I go puke and that goes for all the American news shows. They are right there with the fed's and the Wall Street guys too. Such honesty.

I can't believe my tax money is supporting this. In the end it proves nothing to me. Lance is still one of the greatest cyclist that ever lived.

Lance has been tested continuously for how many years and how many times and never tested positive.

You know why is because Lance didn't have to dope, but most everyone else did to be at his level. It's that simple.

No one could compete with Lance in mental and physical strength. No one would train and prepare like him either.

I find it inconceivable that some one could go that long and not be caught if they did dope.

Lance was the Greatest ......................

Welcome to the Forum

 

[rhubroma]

I think McQuaid is capable of such rational but Hein is like a crazy dictator on the way down. He doesn't care if anyone doped. He doesn't like people let alone a cyclist whom he views as second class citizens criticizing the organisation. Look at the tone in his letters to Floyd years ago with the Mercury affair. Even Armstrong warned Floyd not to mess with the UCI. Hein doesn’t actually need to say anything. He could hide behind carefully worded press releases for another 10 years. I don’t know why he’s always on about “defending the honour” of the UCI. Strange man.

Now in saying all these when you read the AP reports its printed as: “UCI staunchly denies any cover up and is taking legal action again Floyd Landis”. It reads like all is ok and Floyd is mad and will be sued.

I think he's just a psychopath. Perfect for the sport, though.

Apart from the sarcasm, the guy has serious mental issues.

 

[luckyboy]

Lance was the greatest. No more.

He wasn't the greatest anyway.