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Thoughtforfood said:I watched the tape again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN2HrkrnF4...Do we need a thread on why SS and Menchov didn't wait too, or can we add them to this thread also?
we need a poll first.
Thoughtforfood said:I watched the tape again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN2HrkrnF4...Do we need a thread on why SS and Menchov didn't wait too, or can we add them to this thread also?
Biological Entity said:If AC did not attack then that means he was not ABLE to attack. It wasn't because he was waiting since he said he did not know Schleck had a problem. Given that, I think it's highly likely that Schleck would have at least had a gap by the top of the mountain. If he worked with the winner he might have been able to keep that gap down the mountain instead of having to do all the work himself and losing 30s.
Of course we cannot know for sure, but my best guess is Schleck would have put about another 20 seconds into Contador today.
Thoughtforfood said:I watched the tape again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN2HrkrnF4
Ask yourself this, if Contador didn't wait some, how did Menchov and SS catch him?
Arnout said:Yeah I ride. And that's what I said, there was a mistake during shifting.
Maybe partly a fault of a mechanic, but in my opinion more Schleck's fault as this problem only occured when shifting at a tense moment. Too much pressure on the chain I assume.
And anyway, what's the difference? Should Contador stop and ask if it was the fault of Andy or of the mechanic? That's none of his business.
Basically what the people say who dislike Contador's action is that everyone should wait for everyone when making a mistake. Maybe the fact that McEwen drops quite early means his father and mother made a little mistake. Should everyone wait? I don't think so. (Oh, please, don't take this comparison seriously)
+1. U put into nicer words the thing, I was trying to say beforeThoughtforfood said:I watched the tape again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN2HrkrnF4
Ask yourself this, if Contador didn't wait some, how did Menchov and SS catch him? Once they caught him, they went through (Contador was looking back before and after they caught him) and Contador latched on. Maybe he should have ridden their wheels, but fact is that he did wait initially because there is no way SS and Menchov were strong enough to go with him when he attacked out of the bunch, why would have they been able to catch him if he were still going full gas?
Look at the tape. Do we need a thread on why SS and Menchov didn't wait too, or can we add them to this thread also?
Futuroscope said:no way was andy gonna even gain one second on contador (without the problem).
If everybody wait for me in the tour then I can win also?!the Tour is waiting for nobody! Go @albertocontador!
clydesdale said:As a Schleck fan, I'm not really upset with Contador, it's a race and I think if you are competitive at all, you have to take advantage of stuff like that. Dropping a chain happens.
In hockey, if a goalie loses his goal stick, the opposing team sure doesn't stop to give it back, they try to score (and often do). I'll grant you it's not a perfect analogy but it's how I look at it.
Kinda sucks for everyone but you still have to take advantage. The whole thing is gonna be moot anyways, I figure, as AC will put about 2 or 3 minutes into him at the time trial.
Arnout said:I'll type even more slowly.
It. was. no. mechanical. incident.
scribe said:To be expected from you.
LargusMeans said:Lots of haters on here.
scribe said:They couldn't shut it down. Contador was blowing the field apart. I think in a world without race radios, this excuse would seem plausible. But it boils down to the character of the opponent.
One more time for you and I'll type it really slowly: how is that any different than AS not "waiting" for Contador after Contador got caught behind the crashes on St 3? Fits all of your own criteria: Contador's a GC contender, he lost time through no fault of his own (ie caught behind a crash), etc. So let's say AS went on to win the Tour by a minute: by your own definition, then, AS won not because he was the "strongest on the road" but because he took advantage of AC's misfortune on St 3. Still failing to see how this is any different.scribe said:One more time for you and I'll type is really slowly so that you understand it completely. Every champion wants to be be shown as the strongest rider over the period of a 3 week race. You do not want to be known as the guy who possibly beat the strongest rider because of a single mechanical incident. Therefore, no one of character will attack in that situation when the road has carefully identified the strongest riders in the race.
Publicus said:LOL. Yes scribe, that's me in a nutshell. I definitely see Andy off his bike and on the side of the road when AC decides to attack.
Jeebus, you cats kill me. From the video Andy attacks, Vino responds and starts closing the gap. At the same time you see AC coming out of the pack and closing the gap very quickly. Then Andy looks down and stops his attack.
Now I've seen him do that before. Just like I've seen AC do it as well. Throw down an attack and see that you haven't gotten as large of a gap as you thought and then shut it down. So at this point, AC was supposed to shut it down and just soft pedal, but instead he throws down his own counter-attack.
Andy is still on his bike. He's not unclipped. And AC passes him on the left and never looks back.
That's what I saw in the video. Can someone not wearing AC goggles tell me what I am blind to or interjecting here so that I can be equally outraged at AC's sudden dishonorable behavior?
Publicus said:LOL. Yes scribe, that's me in a nutshell. I definitely see Andy off his bike and on the side of the road when AC decides to attack.
Jeebus, you cats kill me. From the video Andy attacks, Vino responds and starts closing the gap. At the same time you see AC coming out of the pack and closing the gap very quickly. Then Andy looks down and stops his attack.
Now I've seen him do that before. Just like I've seen AC do it as well. Throw down an attack and see that you haven't gotten as large of a gap as you thought and then shut it down. So at this point, AC was supposed to shut it down and just soft pedal, but instead he throws down his own counter-attack.
Andy is still on his bike. He's not unclipped. And AC passes him on the left and never looks back.
That's what I saw in the video. Can someone not wearing AC goggles tell me what I am blind to or interjecting here so that I can be equally outraged at AC's sudden dishonorable behavior?
nia O'Malley said:When I said the french crowd booed Contador........ this stage is so close to Spain that half the crowd must have been spanish.
Wooooooooopsie.
Thoughtforfood said:I watched the tape again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcN2HrkrnF4
Look at the tape. Do we need a thread on why SS and Menchov didn't wait too, or can we add them to this thread also?
Arnout said:Can't happen.
Andy Schleck does not see Menchov and Sanchez as contenders. So they shouldn't be bothered with what happens to Schleck.
D Avoid said:Paolo de Canio, an Italian fascist, knows about fair play, the goal keeper collapsed and rather than put it in an unprotected net, he kicked the ball out of play, I never ever thought that I would type the words fair play in this regard, with the name Lance Armstrong in the same sentence, his tweets in regard to this issue will be interesting. Cantador is finished as far as sportsmanship is concerned.
http://www.cyclingfans.com/node/1111
To those who don't know about yellow jersey etiquette, can it. The attached video is prophetic, not how he meant though.
http://www.cyclingfans.com/node/1097
2wheels said:Contador probably needed a bit of a rest; he had just closed a pretty big gap and attacked through it. But yes, we do need to consider Sanchez and the descent. I think Menchov had every right to ride hard to the summit and try and dislodge Sanchez from third place. Likewise, if Sanchez had been able to drop AC before the summit, then fair enough. But once all three crested the summit together-- and obviously talked it over-- the class move would have been to let AS rejoin.
D Avoid said:Paolo de Canio, an Italian fascist, knows about fair play, the goal keeper collapsed and rather than put it in an unprotected net, he kicked the ball out of play, I never ever thought that I would type the words fair play in this regard, with the name Lance Armstrong in the same sentence, his tweets in regard to this issue will be interesting. Cantador is finished as far as sportsmanship is concerned.