The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[53 x 11]

You could not stop me posting a rational response. I got the PMs through.

Bad luck, Stalin.

I am bored waiting for feeds to go live, I'm also a little drunk. Could you please totaly lose it a bit faster, I would love the entertainment.

Thankyou.

 

[Publicus]

I am bored waiting for feeds to go live, I'm also a little drunk. Could you please totaly lose it a bit faster, I would love the entertainment.

Thankyou.

LMAO. Thank you for the early morning laugh.

 

[Race Radio]

Are you trying to imply that he was the only, or one of the few, using such a program?

That fact remains that he was not a flash in the pan. He did not win just once or twice; he won, of course, seven years in a row.

There was a lot of opportunity for many people to train and get on the program, year after year, and beat him. They tried, and they couldn't. I would believe that he might have had the best drugs and luck one year, two years, or maybe even three years. But seven years? In a row? And nobody else came up with a better program? That tells me that he had something special that could not be bought. In that sense, I think he was a true champion.

The exclusive deal with Ferrari has been well covered.

It is well documented that each human responds differently to drugs. This is the case with all drugs, some patients respond, some respond very well, others show no improvement.

Yes, many riders with doping in the 90's but the fact is some riders, like Armstrong, Riis, Ulrich, showed gains from doping that far exceeded their peers. This would be in line with the studies done on EPO and athletes that show a wide range of responses, from very little improvement to close to 20%

 

[Berzin]

Are you trying to imply that he was the only, or one of the few, using such a program?

That fact remains that he was not a flash in the pan. He did not win just once or twice; he won, of course, seven years in a row.

He was not a flash in the pan-he was something much worse-a rider who had no talent at three week stage races who suddenly became a Tour de France juggernaut, one of the most outlandish and unbelievable metamorphoses the sport has ever seen.

As an example-if you followed cycling at all in the 1990's, you would have noticed that Laurant Jalabert and Johan Museeuw began their careers as sprinters, and Abraham Olano was a heavily-muscled track rider.

They all developed different skill sets as pro riders and of course, given the circumstances of the time, doping products played a part.

But not one of these riders made the ridiculous leaps that Armstrong made.

Museeuw became King of the cobbled Classics, but that is not a stretch given that he is Belgian and grew up riding kermesses on the same type of roads he dominated as a pro. He also had the physique for such races.

Jalabert was a great all-around rider who was not a top rated climber or time-trial specialist, but had enough talent in these disciplines to not only excel in short stage and one-day races but to also do well in a few grand tours. Given his talents and the strengths of his teams, his successes were not out of the ordinary.

Olano, true to his track roots, became one of the best time trialists of his generation but never could hold on with the climbers in the high mountains. This was always his Achilles heel and it dogged him throughout his career.

Armstrong, on the other hand, became Pantani in the mountains and Indurain in the time trials while never previously displaying such propensity in either discipline ever in his career previous to his breakout Vuelta performance in 1998.

So when you say THIS about him...

There was a lot of opportunity for many people to train and get on the program, year after year, and beat him. They tried, and they couldn't. I would believe that he might have had the best drugs and luck one year, two years, or maybe even three years. But seven years? In a row? And nobody else came up with a better program? That tells me that he had something special that could not be bought. In that sense, I think he was a true champion.

You cannot take it out of context and merely state he had something "special" that made him a true champion. What he had was Dr. Ferarri, working exclusively for him and a few others on his team on a non-compete contract. What made him special isn't anything mythical that his camp would have you believe, all the baloney about him being such a fierce competitor, the only rider who weighs his food and reconnoiters mountain stages in advance. Many riders do the same thing.

The talents he displayed at the Tour during his 7-year run were developed in a chemistry lab. Of this I am convinced. His talents and physique spoke to him being a rider on par with Laurent Jalabert, not what he eventually became. This transformation is unprecedented in the sport of cycling, and can only be accomplished by use of illegal performance enhancers.

If you want to paint him as a unique talent and a true champion, that's on you. Others among us who have seen this improbable metamorphosis happen in front of our very eyes and call bull**** on it.

 

[I managed to PM him]

I am bored waiting for feeds to go live, I'm also a little drunk. Could you please totaly lose it a bit faster, I would love the entertainment.

Thankyou.

By 'lose it' you been go through the issues of why it's unfair to ban me? No, not doing that.

But it's weird. I had a decent couple of responses up on the previous account that were pull immediately, but this account is still here. That is a bit annoying really. Maybe the mod who did it has has gone out.

 

[I managed to PM him]

He was not a flash in the pan-he was something much worse-a rider who had no talent at three week stage races who suddenly became a Tour de France juggernaut, one of the most outlandish and unbelievable metamorphoses the sport has ever seen.

But Armstrong had to contend with the two speed peloton in the 1990s, until he got with the programme himself. Remember Greg Lemond was churned out the back during the same period and could not finish the tour. If he had started his career at the same point as Armstrong you would be saying that he was a load of crap.

 

[I managed to PM him]

The Dr Ferrari thing is vastly over stated. How many different ways are there to take EPO?

We know from Armstrong's numbers at the Giro that he was clean or very close to it, yet here came 12th after four years out, an injury in preperation and also taking it easy during the last week. So his class as a tour rider is without doubt.

I'd like someone to refute this.

 

[53 x 11]

By 'lose it' you been go through the issues of why it's unfair to ban me? No, not doing that.

But it's weird. I had a decent couple of responses up on the previous account that were pull immediately, but this account is still here. That is a bit annoying really. Maybe the mod who did it has has gone out.

But those others really did pick on you a lot.......surely you feel that you were unfairly targeted?

 

[Big GMaC]

By 'lose it' you been go through the issues of why it's unfair to ban me? No, not doing that.

But it's weird. I had a decent couple of responses up on the previous account that were pull immediately, but this account is still here. That is a bit annoying really. Maybe the mod who did it has has gone out.

You get banned because you already have been banned, therefore by circumventing the ban, you get banned again.

(in response we will have: comments about how other posters have been banned from here before etc.... Blah Blah, Blah)

Hey 53 x 11, what you drinking? I save up some of my pitiful Chinese money to buy some imported Belgian, now just chilling waiting for E3

 

[Beech Mtn]

Jeez, take a look at the photo Steephill is using for their coverage of CI:

Could Lance look any older and grizzlier?

 

[I managed to PM him]

Bradly Wiggins talks about the psychology of tour riding, and how he can only gain it from experience.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=161992&postcount=2

I know you;ve spent years ridiculing it so have gotten to the state where you refuse to believe it no matter what, but there is little doubt that cancer massively improved what was an angry young rider's focus.

 

[Anonymous]

By 'lose it' you been go through the issues of why it's unfair to ban me? No, not doing that.

But it's weird. I had a decent couple of responses up on the previous account that were pull immediately, but this account is still here. That is a bit annoying really. Maybe the mod who did it has has gone out.

That will be taken care of soon. I sincerely hope you will one day seek help for your mental illness.

 

[I managed to PM him]

You get banned because you already have been banned, therefore by circumventing the ban, you get banned again.

Yeah I know. I've already been banned twice today. We're not talking about that.

 

[Ferminal]

The Dr Ferrari thing is vastly over stated. How many different ways are there to take EPO?

You never failed to overstate Dr. Ferrari in the past.

You know very well that he Ferrari perfected the test and used it to transform the training for endurance sports. This is what changed the path of Armstrong's training. Ferrari is a legend. No wonder Armstrong didn't throw him under tha bus.

Good old Ferrari. I wish I could work with him.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=69122&postcount=83

 

[BroDeal]

That will be taken care of soon. I sincerely hope you will one day seek help for your mental illness.

We can hope. The crackpot is PMing me now.

 

[53 x 11]

Hey 53 x 11, what you drinking? I save up some of my pitiful Chinese money to buy some imported Belgian, now just chilling waiting for E3

Who needs Belgian when I've got Coopers Pale Ale.... You hold on to your Yuan, in a couple of years it may be worth the paper its printed on.

 

[franciep10]

I know you can't discuss LA without talking about the chemical part of him, but can you talk about it in a Pharmstrong thread in the clinic. As bro deal said let's go back to fat jokes and him getting dropped like an anvil on wile e coyote.

 

[53 x 11]

We can hope. The crackpot is PMing me now.

Care to share? Looks like hes gone already, no entertainment.

 

[Mellow Velo]

We can hope. The crackpot is PMing me now.

Wow! One minute he was there, they next he's disappeared.
Third time lucky? I doubt it.
Do they make straightjackets in Radio Shack colors?

 

[Anonymous]

We can hope. The crackpot is PMing me now.

I never get so worked up that I would seriously enact physical violence against anyone because of what they write on the internet, but in his case, I would beat him until blood came out of his eyes if I could...<breathe><breathe>.......It is good to remember that the mentally ill cannot help it. Their brain chemistry is altered, and there is little they can do about it....<breathe><breathe>......okay, anger subsiding....

 

[53 x 11]

I never get so worked up that I would seriously enact physical violence against anyone because of what they write on the internet, but in his case, I would beat him until blood came out of his eyes if I could...<breathe><breathe>.......It is good to remember that the mentally ill cannot help it. Their brain chemistry is altered, and there is little they can do about it....<breathe><breathe>......okay, anger subsiding....

Calm down.......think of the unicorns.

 

[53 x 11]

Do they make straightjackets in Radio Shack colors?

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[Schumacher only 7th]

But those others really did pick on you a lot.......surely you feel that you were unfairly targeted?

Very tempting.

I'm watching highlights of the forumula one qualifying on the Beeb. I'm probably going to wait until this evening to watch the highlights of the race on Eurosport since they are not covering it live. I'm not used to this watching a bike race on an internet feed in a foreign language thing that you Americans have to do.

 

[Schumacher only 7th]

Calm down.......think of the unicorns.

TFF has admitted to anger management problems in the past. I'm sure he's a nice guy really. Just a few issues to deal with. Let him get on with it I say.

One of the reasons I come back on is because I know they can't stand it when I post rational comments they cannot refute with an argument. Funny to watch them lose it.

 

[Schumacher only 7th]

We can hope. The crackpot is PMing me now.

Just so you could read my response when the mods remove it. You said it was stupid to say Amstrong wasn't trying in the last week of the Giro and in fact he went flat out in the dangerous conditions of the Rome TT.

I knew I'd got you on that one. I love answering trolling with a rational factual response so I could not resist it.