The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Berzin]

The story was that he had to win all 3 races to collect the million. He won the first two and did a deal with some others that if they let him “win” he would share part of the mill with the athletes who agreed to the terms. In true Lance style once the booty was in his hands he skipped town and didn’t share the loot. What could the others do? It was a hand shake agreement not a formal contract this could not sue him. It proved as a good representation that how he’d behave throughout his career.

Would anyone happen to have a video link to his celebratory antics before he crossed the line on that last of the three races where the million dollars was up for grabs?

Or for that matter a clip of him celebrating before he crossed the line at the World Championships in 1993?

 

[thehog]

Would anyone happen to have a video link to his celebratory antics before he crossed the line on that last of the three races where the million dollars was up for grabs?

Or for that matter a clip of him celebrating before he crossed the line at the World Championships in 1993?

A million? Nothing. Time to hit the billions.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...on-tech-ipo-since-google-heres-why-2010-4.DTL

This fall, Demand Media will likely become the first $1 billion plus tech IPO since Google.

 

[kurtinsc]

A million? Nothing. Time to hit the billions.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...on-tech-ipo-since-google-heres-why-2010-4.DTL

This fall, Demand Media will likely become the first $1 billion plus tech IPO since Google.

Yes... and he owns 100% of demand media... right?

 

[elapid]

Yes... and he owns 100% of demand media... right?

Oh no, are we going to start this again?

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

No pro has ever TT'ed at 110 RPM.

I think you're wrong on that. The articles on Armstrong at least claim his TT cadence was 105 to 110.

 

[Oldman]

I think you're wrong on that. The articles on Armstrong at least claim his TT cadence was 105 to 110.

That's still a volcanic cadence, really hot.

 

[Joey_J]

93 Worlds

Would anyone happen to have a video clip of him celebrating before he crossed the line at the World Championships in 1993?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXsOR5O5hb0&feature=related

What HOG is referring to is in 93, LA won the Thrift Drug, KMart and USPRO to collect a $1M bonus to win all three. No, LA didn't "buy" the USPRO.

We know that LA now runs the UCI, WADA, USADA, ASO, Twitter, all mainstream-media and the country of France but in May/93 he had yet to win the US Pro, a stage in the Tour and the Worlds (not a bad first year). Funny how the HOG and others seem to think that he was the “Manchurian Cyclist” already planning to take over the world………….of cycling.

 

[BikeCentric]

I think you're wrong on that. The articles on Armstrong at least claim his TT cadence was 105 to 110.

It's obvious from watching Lance TT that his cadence is around 90 RPM as it is for 99% of all pros. Go ahead and find a single link for us on any pros TT data (not just Lance) showing 110 RPM. You can't do it because nobody TT's at 110 RPM.

Actually I would like to see a link to this article you mention because now I'm interested to see who would be *** enough to claim he TT's at 110 RPM.

 

[El Imbatido]

It's obvious from watching Lance TT that his cadence is around 90 RPM as it is for 99% of all pros. Go ahead and find a single link for us on any pros TT data (not just Lance) showing 110 RPM. You can't do it because nobody TT's at 110 RPM.

Actually I would like to see a link to this article you mention because now I'm interested to see who would be *** enough to claim he TT's at 110 RPM.

I'm not claiming that i'm a *** but he did have a cadence of 104 in that twitter TT he did against that triathlete(?) guy when he was in Kona(?)

http://twitpic.com/13t6bo

But if i remember correctly they had a massive tailwind that day and it was pan-flat, and was only 15min long so maybe that helped. I actually agree with you though that it looks like his cadence is slower these days but am yet to see an official racing tt yet this year of him.

 

[ErmOkk]

In 2004's last ITT of the TdF lance was pushing around closely to 120 RPM on straight lines (some belgian from television observed it), so my bet is he had an average RPM of around 110. Now he pedals alot more slowly though.

 

[happychappy]

Go ahead and find a single link for us on any pros TT data (not just Lance) showing 110 RPM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha26GN_RLNc

Clearly a mote over 90 rpm.

 

[karlboss]

It's obvious from watching Lance TT that his cadence is around 90 RPM as it is for 99% of all pros. Go ahead and find a single link for us on any pros TT data (not just Lance) showing 110 RPM. You can't do it because nobody TT's at 110 RPM.

Actually I would like to see a link to this article you mention because now I'm interested to see who would be *** enough to claim he TT's at 110 RPM.

99% of pros TT at 90 RPM...http://www.bikecult.com/bikecultbook/sports_recordsHour.html

not so sure.

Menchov in the last TT of the Giro looked high too.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

It's obvious from watching Lance TT that his cadence is around 90 RPM as it is for 99% of all pros. Go ahead and find a single link for us on any pros TT data (not just Lance) showing 110 RPM. You can't do it because nobody TT's at 110 RPM.

Actually I would like to see a link to this article you mention because now I'm interested to see who would be *** enough to claim he TT's at 110 RPM.

Well if you put 'lance armstrong's average cadence' in google you will find many articles claiming this is true.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Lance_Armstrong's_average_pedaling_speed

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/armstrong.html

I agree it seems to be slower since he came back - probably 90 to 100.

Also there is a difference between average cadence over a TT and the real cadence rate. Due to corners, assents and dissents, the average cadence reading would be lower than the cadence rate he would use for most of the stage.

 

[elapid]

Well if you put 'lance armstrong's average cadence' in google you will find many articles claiming this is true.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Lance_Armstrong's_average_pedaling_speed

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/armstrong.html

I agree it seems to be slower since he came back - probably 90 to 100.

Also there is a difference between average cadence over a TT and the real cadence rate. Due to corners, assents and dissents, the average cadence reading would be lower than the cadence rate he would use for most of the stage.

These two sources contradict each other. Wiki Answers (one answer from an unnamed source with no other evidence to support the claim) states that his climbing cadence is 80-85 rpm; while the Wired article states his climbing cadence is 100-110 rpm.

The Wired article makes no mention of his TT cadence. The Wiki Answers article is such bogus (ie, vomit-inducing claims like "He is using a lower gear than most other cyclists, but is pedaling faster than them. Rather than using leg power and sheer muscle strength (as did all the early competitive cyclists throughout the 1900s up until the time of Miguel "Big Mig" Indurain), Armstrong relies on superior cardio fitness to carry him through the mountains.") that none of the information is credible.

Please site well-sourced articles to support your claim, not BS like Wiki Answers.

 

[flicker]

Lance is older, heart rate slows slower cadence is more efficient. Simple math, reason why Ulrich pedaled more slower, more power slower heart.

 

[BikeCentric]

There is still no data here showing Lance or any other pro TT'ing at 110 RPM.

Regardless I will admit that his 104 cadence from El Imbatito's data is higher than I would have thought! But I also think that if he's averaging 104 in a short TT with a tailwind that there is no way he averages 110 for pro cycling TT's.

 

[BikeCentric]

Also there is a difference between average cadence over a TT and the real cadence rate. Due to corners, assents and dissents, the average cadence reading would be lower than the cadence rate he would use for most of the stage.

No. Bike computers and power meters that aren't trash only calculate cadence when you are pedaling.

Anyway, I'm talking about his actual pedal cadence and I don't need spots of coasting dragging down an average to state that he doesn't TT at 110 RPM.

 

[Publicus]

Lance is older, heart rate slows slower cadence is more efficient. Simple math, reason why Ulrich pedaled more slower, more power slower heart.

The implication here is that Lance was younger than Jan when they competed, which isn't true.

 

[knewcleardaze]

These two sources contradict each other. Wiki Answers (one answer from an unnamed source with no other evidence to support the claim) states that his climbing cadence is 80-85 rpm; while the Wired article states his climbing cadence is 100-110 rpm.

The Wired article makes no mention of his TT cadence. The Wiki Answers article is such bogus (ie, vomit-inducing claims like "He is using a lower gear than most other cyclists, but is pedaling faster than them. Rather than using leg power and sheer muscle strength (as did all the early competitive cyclists throughout the 1900s up until the time of Miguel "Big Mig" Indurain), Armstrong relies on superior cardio fitness to carry him through the mountains.") that none of the information is credible.

Please site well-sourced articles to support your claim, not BS like Wiki Answers.

If it's on Twitter and Wiki, it MUST BE TRUE!

 

[Publicus]

6 hours in the Rocky Mountains today. Damn, I love this job.

I get the feeling that he thinks his job is to twitter about his training and not race.

 

[thehog]

I get the feeling that he thinks his job is to twitter about his training and not race.

Where did Lance place today? Kloden did well as did Popo. Knee is farked.

Lance missed a great race today. That's some of the best racing Ive seen in a long time.

Shlecks looked good.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Please site well-sourced articles to support your claim, not BS like Wiki Answers.

Yeah I know Wikipedia is not always 100 accurrate. Nothing on the internet is. But this is what has been written about his cadence for years. I never said I had seen Armstrong's speedo first hand and can officially confirm it - that's not mine claim. Just repeating what has been said about him.

I don't know what would qualify as "well sourced". Here's another one about Prof Coyle's study. (I know parts of Coyle's study are also questioned)

Armstrong's "freely chosen cycling cadence during time trial races of 30- to 60-minute duration increased progressively during this y-year period from about 85-95 rpm to about 105-110 rpm.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26067.php

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

No. Bike computers and power meters that aren't trash only calculate cadence when you are pedaling.

Anyway, I'm talking about his actual pedal cadence and I don't need spots of coasting dragging down an average to state that he doesn't TT at 110 RPM.

But his cadence would drop a bit on a climb, and be slower where he does peddle on the dissent, so the average would be down a bit. It's not all neat stopping and going at the same speed either. 110 is what he would be doing on the flat straights.

I don't know how you can be so definitive that there is no way he used to TT at 110 RPM before he retired. We have evidence that he TTed at 104 just recently, and lots of people have commented that he cadence is slower than it once was.

 

[BikeCentric]

Yeah I know Wikipedia is not always 100 accurrate. Nothing on the internet is. But this is what has been written about his cadence for years. I never said I had seen Armstrong's speedo first hand and can officially confirm it - that's not mine claim. Just repeating what has been said about him.

I don't know what would qualify as "well sourced". Here's another one about Prof Coyle's study. (I know parts of Coyle's study are also questioned)



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26067.php

Well now I see where the 110 RPM claim came from and I was right to think the claimaint ***. Coyle is the same myth-maker who claimed weight loss was the magic bullet for Lance despite having no supporting data showing any weight loss and also claimed that Lance was more efficient than any other cyclist despite having errors in his efficiency equation. ***.

 

[BikeCentric]

But his cadence would drop a bit on a climb, and be slower where he does peddle on the dissent, so the average would be down a bit.

Exactly, that's why I claimed he doesn't TT at 110 RPM. You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?