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Jimmy Riddle said:
So anyway, (serious point), the mood in the air is that LA will be at least the second best guy on his team this time around. That may sound pretty crappy but there was a real fear he might get out done by Kloden as well as Levi, but he has consistently out performed Andreas Klöden in recent TTs.

You just have to wonder what sort of form Levi will take to the tour. Will he have taken a knock from losing the ToC or will that make him all the more focused to get something out of the tour?

Interesting.

Best thing for the shack was for levi to finish 3rd in ToC and Lance to crash out. Even better the accusations by Joe Fed and Floyd Manzano. These Radio Shack boys are ****ed. Please keep up the trash talk and revelations. Good to antagonize the shack. We could see a pearl at the tour with them. Oh and please come up with up with some new revelations about Kloeden and T-Mobile. Good to **** off the uber climber also. Bring it on.
 
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he gave them more time than they usually take to defend Jesus Christ. It's not like he should have waited an hour as they usually come in with their drivel within a minute or two of any perceived attack.

I am trying to get the joke about you being part of the 'dark side' of apologists. If you're a fan, at least you don't make a horse's @ss of yourself. ( Well, at least not regularly. :rolleyes: )

Yeah, they usually jump in with a bit more vigor. Likely in the midst of a pro-longed unified internet LA worship session.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
People who have worked for cancer charities who know the fraud that his is. You ever worked for a cancer charity? Don't answer, we all know you haven't done anything outside of being mentally ill. What meds are you on, just curious?.

i do hope you are not teasing the mentally ill :eek:






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best thing for the shack was for levi to finish 3rd in toc and lance to crash out. Even better the accusations by joe fed and floyd manzano. These radio shack boys are ****ed. Please keep up the trash talk and revelations. Good to antagonize the shack. We could see a pearl at the tour with them. Oh and please come up with up with some new revelations about kloeden and t-mobile. Good to **** off the uber climber also. Bring it on.

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Lance not going home to face the music:

"I wish I could. I'm in Europe racing now tho and staying here til TdF.
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter"
 

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BroDeal said:
Sounds like Dubya encouraging the "terrorists" to bring it on. After thousands of U.S. lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, $3T in war costs, and a wrecked economy, we all know how that turned out.

As much as I disdain dubya and president cheney there was a method to their madness. I do not know it yet but in the future we will see why they did what they did. Definently the DARK SIDE those 2.

I do see the shack performing in the Tour. I thought those attacking Lance were kind of silly. People who put hate on Levi, I do not understand... such a bland character. Go Kloeden!
 
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thehog said:
Lance not going home to face the music:

"I wish I could. I'm in Europe racing now tho and staying here til TdF.
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter"

Gotta keep changing those plans all the time. I've said it before, but keeping up with LA's Adams reports must be a nightmare for the anti-doping agencies.
 
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Lance not going home to face the music:

"I wish I could. I'm in Europe racing now tho and staying here til TdF.
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter"

he only says staying TILL the tour, not that hes sticking around once its started :D
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
So anyway, (serious point), Lance is a narcissist who is not capable of riding for anyone but himself. If he is actually the second or third rider on the team for the tour, he will not ride. He could not bring himself to be a team player. In his mind, he is the team, and if unable to perform, will take his ball and go home. I think mostly, it has to do with his childhood. He is a walking example of how people who grow up in the type of life he had can turn out. Many people are able to overcome their disadvantage and become good people who are a benefit to society. Then there are people like him. Its too bad really because if the things he does were done for the right reason, he would indeed be a shining example of a person. As it stands, he is a shallow man who only sees value in things that will validate his unquenchable need for approval. He cannot see past what his wants are and he will hurt anyone who gets between him and his wants. The world is there to satisfy his needs in his eyes, and when it doesn't, he does not have the moral fortitude to endure.

no how much marriage can suck at times, and face it, especially for the boys there are times when it's just pathetic, ya just have to stay around and create a good atmosphere for the kids. at times through gritted teeth. it stinks for some of us (those who are happily married are just kooky, if you aksed me) but it's the best of all available alternatives in the long run.

want less lance's in the world? take better care of your kids.
 
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thehog said:
Lance not going home to face the music:

"I wish I could. I'm in Europe racing now tho and staying here til TdF.
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter".

I'm beginning to think this is much ado about nothing.

If Armstrong is not kept from doing the Tour by the authorities for some reason, or unless more revelations surface, and I mean verification from other ex-Postal riders about systematic doping before or during the Tour then I believe he will be in the clear.

Too man fanboys in all the right places, starting with Fat Pat McQuaid and going down the line.

If more revelations surface AFTER the Tour, no one and I mean no one is going to care and he will retire with his money, influence and fame intact.

I say this because it's been too silent for too long now, and no new news has been forthcoming.
 
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BroDeal said:
Sounds like Dubya encouraging the "terrorists" to bring it on. After thousands of U.S. lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, $3T in war costs, and a wrecked economy, we all know how that turned out.

Can we try not to drag politics into this thread?
 

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I'm beginning to think this is much ado about nothing.

If Armstrong is not kept from doing the Tour by the authorities for some reason, or unless more revelations surface, and I mean verification from other ex-Postal riders about systematic doping before or during the Tour then I believe he will be in the clear.

Too man fanboys in all the right places, starting with Fat Pat McQuaid and going down the line.

If more revelations surface AFTER the Tour, no one and I mean no one is going to care and he will retire with his money, influence and fame intact.

I say this because it's been too silent for too long now, and no new news has been forthcoming.

Agreed, plus there are many on here who are more than a little ignorant of investigative process. Any Federal investigation is in its very early stages and talk of Armstrong being arrested if he returns to the US or feds kicking in doors are just plain dumb and are written by people who think CSI is reality TV.

Even if he does become the main focus of the investigation, there is no rush to interview him and in fact it could be be counterproductive to do so as the investigators would want to sift through as much information as is available before talking to him. This will probably take many months and numerous meetings with lawyers regarding relevancy and veracity before an actual interview with LA takes place, if it does at all.

I wouldn't read too much into the silence aspect because that could be due to the fact that at the moment they will just be gathering information and assessing it to see if there is stuff worth pursuing.

As far as the TdF is concerned there is and will be no reason why Armstrong will not attend from a legal perspective. Talk about him not racing from a form perspective is just usual drivel from the usual suspects on here, who change tack like the wind as situations resolve to prove them to be incorrect.
 
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Agreed, plus there are many on here who are more than a little ignorant of investigative process. Any Federal investigation is in its very early stages and talk of Armstrong being arrested if he returns to the US or feds kicking in doors are just plain dumb and are written by people who think CSI is reality TV.

It is very accurate that generally, US Federal investigations move slowly. There are some considerations as to timing, since many investigations into criminal activity can cross the balance between public safety and allowing a criminal to continue unabated. Permitting the current target to perform in his chosen profession does not pose a risk to public safety and gathering of additional information could mean much to be gained. As a matter of timing, when was the last time you saw something escalate from leaked emails, to a Fed agent getting involved to a US Attorney being named prosecutor? I take it from extremely reliable sources that many of the named, and others, have wasted no time in offering up information. The notion that any of them rate their loyalty to their current or onetime boss over freedom is asinine.

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Even if he does become the main focus of the investigation, there is no rush to interview him and in fact it could be be counterproductive to do so as the investigators would want to sift through as much information as is available before talking to him. This will probably take many months and numerous meetings with lawyers regarding relevancy and veracity before an actual interview with LA takes place, if it does at all.

Well, if not him, then who? It would seem the targets are easy to figure: Lance, Weisel, Stapleton, Knaggs, Bruyneel, ie the organizers and direct beneficiaries of the purported fraud. Again, I agree there is no rush to examine or question him. It could take many months to fully build their case and present to a Grand Jury. Probably do not need to even talk to them before then. Once a charge(s) are filed, then the questioning can get underway.

SpartacusRox said:
I wouldn't read too much into the silence aspect because that could be due to the fact that at the moment they will just be gathering information and assessing it to see if there is stuff worth pursuing.

Let me rephrase that for you:

...they are gathering information that will be used for a successful indictment.

The writing is on the wall and the information is out there. The person to kick a hole in the dam, did, and it is knee deep sluice in Armstrongburg.

SpartacusRox said:
As far as the TdF is concerned there is and will be no reason why Armstrong will not attend from a legal perspective. Talk about him not racing from a form perspective is just usual drivel from the usual suspects on here, who change tack like the wind as situations resolve to prove them to be incorrect.

I concede it is entirely possible that Lance races the Tour. I just highly doubt it. The risks to the ASO and their grand property, the risk to a sponsor like Radioshack, the risk to the UCI... they all need to find a diplomatic reason, one that does not look judgmental, but one that is just following their "policies", so that they can sweep this ugliness aside and have a generally scandal free July.

As full disclaimer, I have no vested interest in any potential outcome. I appreciated Lance for his racing style. I am more intrigued with the legal issues present and have the majority of this on good information. Patience.

I imagine significant details will burst this week. The appetite for destruction of a media/cultural demi-god is not easily sated. Gotta keep throwing some chum in the water or the public sharks will disperse.
 

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I imagine significant details will burst this week. The appetite for destruction of a media/cultural demi-god is not easily sated. Gotta keep throwing some chum in the water or the public sharks will disperse.

lots of chum and pubic sharks lol.

"Tonight, A very Special Episode of the "Lance Thread"
"watch as details burst"
"watch as manbags swing destructively"

It should be GREAT:)

BTW, Fausto Coppi was attacked by the tabloids of his time too.
No Interwebs though.
But Coppi WAS sentenced to Jail.
And how is Fausto remembered NOW? The Champion of Champions.

Lance will no doubt be remembered as a Great Champion like Fausto.
It may take years to debunk the Myth that "Doping Transformed" him, but it will be debunked. Truth will prevail. It usually does:)

"Occhini was arrested, kept in prison for four days and then forced, while awaiting trail, to reside in Ancona while Coppi's passport was confiscated. At the end of the court case in 1955, Coppi was sentenced to two months in jail while Occhini was given a three-month sentence"

http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.com/2009/09/fausto-coppi-and-lady-in-white.html
 
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Colm.Murphy said:
It is very accurate that generally, US Federal investigations move slowly. There are some considerations as to timing, since many investigations into criminal activity can cross the balance between public safety and allowing a criminal to continue unabated. Permitting the current target to perform in his chosen profession does not pose a risk to public safety and gathering of additional information could mean much to be gained. As a matter of timing, when was the last time you saw something escalate from leaked emails, to a Fed agent getting involved to a US Attorney being named prosecutor? I take it from extremely reliable sources that many of the named, and others, have wasted no time in offering up information. The notion that any of them rate their loyalty to their current or onetime boss over freedom is asinine.



Well, if not him, then who? It would seem the targets are easy to figure: Lance, Weisel, Stapleton, Knaggs, Bruyneel, ie the organizers and direct beneficiaries of the purported fraud. Again, I agree there is no rush to examine or question him. It could take many months to fully build their case and present to a Grand Jury. Probably do not need to even talk to them before then. Once a charge(s) are filed, then the questioning can get underway.



Let me rephrase that for you:

...they are gathering information that will be used for a successful indictment.

The writing is on the wall and the information is out there. The person to kick a hole in the dam, did, and it is knee deep sluice in Armstrongburg.



I concede it is entirely possible that Lance races the Tour. I just highly doubt it. The risks to the ASO and their grand property, the risk to a sponsor like Radioshack, the risk to the UCI... they all need to find a diplomatic reason, one that does not look judgmental, but one that is just following their "policies", so that they can sweep this ugliness aside and have a generally scandal free July.

As full disclaimer, I have no vested interest in any potential outcome. I appreciated Lance for his racing style. I am more intrigued with the legal issues present and have the majority of this on good information. Patience.

I imagine significant details will burst this week. The appetite for destruction of a media/cultural demi-god is not easily sated. Gotta keep throwing some chum in the water or the public sharks will disperse.

Colm - just wanted to clarify what you mean by the bolded part (not your name) - successful indictment (returned by a grand jury) = leads to plea bargaining or trial (i.e., not dismissed at early stages by judiciary)? Or do you mean something else?

Thanks,

Joe

P.S. - before anyone jumps in with a "LA is such a psychotic he would never plea" - feel free to start your own thread on the subject. This post is merely asking Colm for a bit of clarification. Thanks.
 
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Polish said:
Lance will no doubt be remembered as a Great Champion like Fausto.

It may take years to debunk the Myth that "Doping Transformed" him, but it will be debunked. Truth will prevail. It usually does.

You can be a fan, I don't begrudge anyone that, but to think his "transformation" wasn't drug-induced is ignoring reality. At this point such belief seems like a silly school girl crush. Very emasculating.

If it takes that much to believe in your hero, I wonder how you'll feel WHEN (NOT IF) the truth comes out.
 
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SpartacusRox said:
Agreed, plus there are many on here who are more than a little ignorant of investigative process. Any Federal investigation is in its very early stages and talk of Armstrong being arrested if he returns to the US or feds kicking in doors are just plain dumb and are written by people who think CSI is reality TV.

SpartacusRox - I take exception with your comments that appear to be singling out people without a legal background who are "armchair lawyering".

"Armchair lawyering" is not limited to such people. The other group of people I am thinking about are lawyers, and as far as armchair lawyering, they truly suck at it. It continually amazes me that most in the legal profession know that without reading, understanding, and cross correlating a huge amount of documents and depositions associated with a case there is no way to understand, much less predict, the outcome of a case.

But in informal circumstances, such speculations and predictions abound. So they really are no worse than those here who are doing the same with a bare minimum (or total lack) of verified facts.
 
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Cal_Joe said:
Colm - just wanted to clarify what you mean by the bolded part (not your name) - successful indictment (returned by a grand jury) = leads to plea bargaining or trial (i.e., not dismissed at early stages by judiciary)? Or do you mean something else?

Thanks,

Joe

P.S. - before anyone jumps in with a "LA is such a psychotic he would never plea" - feel free to start your own thread on the subject. This post is merely asking Colm for a bit of clarification. Thanks.

By "successful" I mean that there was no objection to the jury/juror, that the prosecution can overcome any motions that challenge the charge(s). Should an indictment be returned, my guess is it would be placed under seal.

I am making the presumption that the defendants would not waive indictment by Grand Jury. I would guess they would use the time it would take to assemble, qualify and conduct the Grand Jury to assemble all areas of defense.

As for possible outcomes, I suppose that would be dependent on the charge(s). It would be hard for me to imagine these issues going to trial if the charges went RICO. Exposing defendants to that level of risk would be a terrible mistake.

Perhaps a plea could be reached, though if the US Govt is looking to make examples, after the seeming failure to get Bonds, who knows what type of consideration they might extend.

Since I am not a lawyer, or even a US citizen, please feel free to correct me on any procedural mistakes, small or large. I have been crash coursing myself on several resources. One of the best I've found on US Federal Criminal Rules of Procedure is here, and on the US RICO Act here.
 

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Polish said:
lots of chum and pubic sharks lol.

"Tonight, A very Special Episode of the "Lance Thread"
"watch as details burst"
"watch as manbags swing destructively"

It should be GREAT:)

BTW, Fausto Coppi was attacked by the tabloids of his time too.
No Interwebs though.
But Coppi WAS sentenced to Jail.
And how is Fausto remembered NOW? The Champion of Champions.

Lance will no doubt be remembered as a Great Champion like Fausto.
It may take years to debunk the Myth that "Doping Transformed" him, but it will be debunked. Truth will prevail. It usually does:)

"Occhini was arrested, kept in prison for four days and then forced, while awaiting trail, to reside in Ancona while Coppi's passport was confiscated. At the end of the court case in 1955, Coppi was sentenced to two months in jail while Occhini was given a three-month sentence"

http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.com/2009/09/fausto-coppi-and-lady-in-white.html
Nice site. I remember getting excited when I bought my first Bianchi , walking into a barbershop in North Beach, S.F. and seeing a serigraph of Coppi battling it out with Bartali in the Dolomites.
 

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Mongol_Waaijer said:
and what if a moron gives a sports star a thrashing?

What is it about Lance fans and their desire to see violence?

what's their to admire about a dishonest sociopath challenging a teenage boy to a fight with bodyguards and police standing around him?

what is it with parents letting their children cause mischief? It happens in our ghettos, it happens in Luxemburg, and it happens on the lance blog?
Those kids will fix the sociopaths everytime right? When they are not on face book or playing videogames.
 
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Polish said:
BTW, Fausto Coppi was attacked by the tabloids of his time too.
No Interwebs though.
But Coppi WAS sentenced to Jail.
And how is Fausto remembered NOW? The Champion of Champions.

Lance will no doubt be remembered as a Great Champion like Fausto.
It may take years to debunk the Myth that "Doping Transformed" him, but it will be debunked. Truth will prevail. It usually does:)

"Occhini was arrested, kept in prison for four days and then forced, while awaiting trail, to reside in Ancona while Coppi's passport was confiscated. At the end of the court case in 1955, Coppi was sentenced to two months in jail while Occhini was given a three-month sentence"

http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.com/2009/09/fausto-coppi-and-lady-in-white.html

Are you quite serious with this? In what possible way does the current situation and allegations compare with Coppi and Occhini?
 
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The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010

Hi, All,
I feel a bit sick after reading all the above negative comments re Lance Armstrong and Drugs.
The guy you are knocking went through the Wringer with Cancer and came out of it with more Knowledge and Capability to know his own Strengths and Weaknesses and he has used this to build on his already capable mindset to achieve an outstanding ability to excel at the elite level of Cycling.
I suggest you accusers stop and take a good look at yourselves and study what Lance has done to get where he is , he is not going to reveal his secrets but you might just get to work them out for yourself if you look hard enough
Think about it
Cheers Ian
 
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Ian Baillie said:
Hi, All,
I feel a bit sick after reading all the above negative comments re Lance Armstrong and Drugs.
The guy you are knocking went through the Wringer with Cancer and came out of it with more Knowledge and Capability to know his own Strengths and Weaknesses and he has used this to build on his already capable mindset to achieve an outstanding ability to excel at the elite level of Cycling.
I suggest you accusers stop and take a good look at yourselves and study what Lance has done to get where he is , he is not going to reveal his secrets but you might just get to work them out for yourself if you look hard enough
Think about it
Cheers Ian

and how did he get cancer?
 
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