The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[BYOP88]

You really don't get it?

If everyone who disliked you or thought you were stupid put you on ignore you would have 90% of the frequent forum posters.

Maybe if we all pretended that we loved Pharmstrong, he'd then leave cos his/her work here would be done.

 

[Carboncrank]

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According to sports.kz, only three of the eight original sponsors have paid their full duty to the team (although that includes the largest individual backer, Samruk-Kazyna). One, Air Astana, has backed out entirely.

Please help me! I don't know how interprete all this. Several members of this forum claims, that it was JB and his company Olympus Sarl who caused this non-payment issue.
You must realize that this claim is out of agreement with the article presented.... Do you understand why I'm confused?

Are you asking why people here don't believe what this and a dozen other articles just like it claim to be true?

 

[Carboncrank]

You really don't get it?

If everyone who disliked you or thought you were stupid put you on ignore you would have 90% of the frequent forum posters.

As usual, when you can't argue my facts you move on to insults.

I have not the slightest need to be "liked" by you or any of the core group here that espouses crackpot theories about the evil plots of world domination by LA/JB.

I worry more about my image of myself if I read things I know to be false, provably so, and I say nothing.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

I think putting this troll on ignore is the way to go. Therefore we don't have to read his crap and he will have nothing to post about. problem solved. He is very hipocritical in his posts. he doesn't like when people insult him when making a point but doesn't like it himself.

Agreed and done.

 

[auscyclefan94]

As usual, when you can't argue my facts you move on to insults.

I have not the slightest need to be "liked" by you or any of the core group here that espouses crackpot theories about the evil plots of world domination by LA/JB.

I worry more about my image of myself if I read things I know to be false, provably so, and I say nothing.

where did i insult you? Nearley everyone disagrees with you and thinks your stupid. Shouldn't that make you think that you need to have a good hard look in the mirror? Your a joke!

 

[patricknd]

where did i insult you? Nearley everyone disagrees with you and thinks your stupid. Shouldn't that make you think that you need to have a good hard look in the mirror? Your a joke!

it's you're genius.

 

[Ripper]

Of course, in the world of internet cranks like me.

Now see, this is the kind of "fixing" that is rude Karbmoan Sank. You will notice how this one neither agrees with you or supports a comment, but rather help enhance your natural foolishness.

 

[Carboncrank]

where did i insult you? Nearley everyone disagrees with you and thinks your stupid. Shouldn't that make you think that you need to have a good hard look in the mirror? Your a joke!

Oh, I see, stupid in not an insult. Of course I do note after calling me stupid, again, that you can't get your and you're straight.

Please, take your own advice and put me on ignore.

If not, shut up about it.

 

[Ripper]

Oh, I see, stupid in not an insult.

Nope, stupid in not an insult. Stupid in a way on being.

 

[Bike Boy]

Are you asking why people here don't believe what this and a dozen other articles just like it claim to be true?

Well yes, but apparently nobody dares to answer me.

This is the article again:

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2009/05/04/will-the-giro-be-astanas-last-race/

This is the quote from the article again:

According to sports.kz, only three of the eight original sponsors have paid their full duty to the team (although that includes the largest individual backer, Samruk-Kazyna). One, Air Astana, has backed out entirely.

And this is the question again:

Please help me! I don't know how interprete all this. Several members of this forum claims, that it was JB and his company Olympus Sarl who caused this non-payment issue.
You must realize that this claim is out of agreement with the article presented.... Do you understand why I'm confused?

I have tried to keep up with this thread, but it's just impossible not to lose interest.
This Thread has turned into a "dog fight" for god sake, so excuse me if i missed something of relevance ragarding my question.

I think it's a relevant question, and if I was the one, with information regarding this issue, I would feel pledged to share it.

But hey who cares. just continue this "lovefest" and put me on ignore if you are too afraid to keep this thread on a decent level.

Must be very confussing for new members when they enter this mess of a thread.

 

[Race Radio]

Must be very confussing for new members when they enter this mess of a thread.

That is his goal. He has been doing it, using different user names, for the last 6 months.

 

[Carboncrank]

That is his goal. He has been doing it, using different user names, for the last 6 months.

What you are saying here is a lie.

 

[Publicus]

That is his goal. He has been doing it, using different user names, for the last 6 months.

All of the circumstantial evidence certainly points to that conclusion.

 

[Carboncrank]

Well yes, but apparently nobody dares to answer me.

This is the article again:

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2009/05/04/will-the-giro-be-astanas-last-race/

This is the quote from the article again:



And this is the question again:




I have tried to keep up with this thread, but it's just impossible not to lose interest.
This Thread has turned into a "dog fight" for god sake, so excuse me if i missed something of relevance ragarding my question.

I think it's a relevant question, and if I was the one, with information regarding this issue, I would feel pledged to share it.

But hey who cares. just continue this "lovefest" and put me on ignore if you are too afraid to keep this thread on a decent level.

Must be very confussing for new members when they enter this mess of a thread.

do this Google search

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMH_en___US312&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=astana+payments+uci

read all you want. What you will find is consistent with the Bicycling.com bit you read.

 

[Carboncrank]

All of the circumstantial evidence certainly points to that conclusion.

It just proves how vulnerable you are to conspiracy thinking. Now, you're making me part of one where I'm not one guy I must be six... all from demand media to promote.. you know.. take over.. we're evil.

 

[Publicus]

It just proves how vulnerable you are to conspiracy thinking. Now, you're making me part of one where I'm not one guy I must be six... all from demand media to promote.. you know.. take over.. we're evil.

Slow your roll there Crank. Re-read that post once more. I merely noted that the circumstantial evidence suggests you are in fact that same person who has been banned from these forums countless times (under different user names). If you feel you are wrongly accused, make your case. Or, as you brusquely commented to one of the other forum participants, shut up about it.

 

[Bike Boy]

That is his goal. He has been doing it, using different user names, for the last 6 months.

What you are saying here is a lie.

Well let's just say that this is not exactly what I had i mind, when I encouraged people to keep a decent level.

Still no answer to my original question..... sound like it's very hard to deliver specific documentation.

I have to admit, that this is a huge disappointment to me. Since joining this forum I have learned a lot. Some of the members really know a lot about pro cycling, and it's a real joy to come here, and share your knowledge aswell as opinions, but if it turns out some of this "knowledge" is unfounded....
Well let's just say, that I'm glad it's not me putting baseless claims forward.
Which is also why I'm surprised with the lack of interest to answer my question, that's the way to prove or make the claims probable.

Just from the top of my head I can recall Bianchigirl expressing this claim.

He reminds me of John Terry - enough is never enough when it comes to lining his pockets.

Good article from the Boulder report CC, particularly loved this quote:
"Team spokesman Philippe Maertens said that, as of now, all salaries are paid up but admitted that he “did not have all the answers and will not have them immediately.” He did not specify whether the UCI reserve had been used to pay salaries. So just who drained 2 million out of that account? Olympus SARL?

What's with the questionmarks please enlighten me if you have further documentation to support your speculation.

do this Google search

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMH_en___US312&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=astana+payments+uci

read all you want. What you will find is consistent with the Bicycling.com bit you read.

Well thanks, but I was actually kind of hoping for members with the opposite perception to come forward.
I'm having the hardest time comprehending why so many journalists missed the plot altogether.

About the messy thread, I have to say I really don't like CC's style (I'm no judge, and I certainly don't believe, I have the right to tell you how to behave. Personally I just stick to a less provocative style, which I believe will lead to a better and more interesting debate).
Although in this particular case, I haven't seen anything to suggest that the article is mistaken

 

[Digger]

Well let's just say that this is not exactly what I had i mind, when I encouraged people to keep a decent level.

Still no answer to my original question..... sound like it's very hard to deliver specific documentation.

I have to admit, that this is a huge disappointment to me. Since joining this forum I have learned a lot. Some of the members really know a lot about pro cycling, and it's a real joy to come here, and share your knowledge aswell as opinions, but if it turns out some of this "knowledge" is unfounded....
Well let's just say, that I'm glad it's not me putting baseless claims forward.
Which is also why I'm surprised with the lack of interest to answer my question, that's the way to prove or make the claims probable.

Just from the top of my head I can recall Bianchigirl expressing this claim.



What's with the questionmarks please enlighten me if you have further documentation to support your speculation.



Well thanks, but I was actually kind of hoping for members with the opposite perception to come forward.
I'm having the hardest time comprehending why so many journalists missed the plot altogether.

About the messy thread, I have to say I really don't like CC's style (I'm no judge, and I certainly don't believe, I have the right to tell you how to behave. Personally I just stick to a less provocative style, which I believe will lead to a better and more interesting debate).
Although in this particular case, I haven't seen anything to suggest that the article is mistaken

Well CC, or Jackhammer as he was onced called, is actually making progress. The drugs do work, because Jackhammer got banned for challenging someone to give him their address so he could go and sort them out. He had, what most people could describe, as a breakdown on here for a few days. So CC is doing real good.
Go to 4.35 to see how good CC is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UYl-bIxsFM&feature=related

 

[bianchigirl]

Bike Boy, I'm just interested in the paper trail - why is the team spokesman saying that he doesn't know how the unpaid wages were settled when the guarantee is held expressly for such purposes? Why was Horner always paid - and assumed that Leipheimer etc must be because otherwise they'd be off to other teams - yet Leipheimer et al apparently weren't? And why do these problems only surface when an unpaid team member fresh out of retirement arrives on the scene immediately causing talk of licence withdrawal/transfer (each of which actions leave a handy space for the new team Armstrong starts talking about)? Clearly the KF were having problems getting sponsors to pay up, that's beyond dispute. I'm just interested in the way that Bruyneel handles the dispute and the finances - after all, with his best buddy back in the sport, engineering a situation where he can grab the PT licence must seem everso attractive.

On the other hand it could simply be that the oil rich Kazakh's got hit hard by the credit crunch, couldn't pay and Bruyneel chose to keep his less starry riders onside to provide support to the bigger names with the fat sponsorship/appearance deals.

As others have pointed out, some of the 'conspiracy theories' about Armstrong turn out to be startlingly true and, were you to search for the relationship between Armstrong and McQuaid's predecessor/mentor Hein Verbruggen (whose role in the Festina scandal is fascinating) you'd be greatly interested in the way that those 'conspiracy theories' are made real at the very highest levels of the sport.

 

[bianchigirl]

Of course, having to shell out 500,000 euros to Gusev depleted the guarantee somewhat . Now, don't you wonder why they didn't take this to the UCI instead of getting themselves into so much trouble - especially as the UCI said there was nothing wrong with Gusev's values and that he was free to race.

So many tangled webs around the Hog

 

[progressor]

That is his goal. He has been doing it, using different user names, for the last 6 months.

All of the circumstantial evidence certainly points to that conclusion.

Same old lame, dishonest attempts to dismiss posters who refuse to back down to your relentless assaults. You know full well he isn't arbiter, bpc whatever.
Pathetic.

 

[progressor]

Well let's just say that this is not exactly what I had i mind, when I encouraged people to keep a decent level.

Still no answer to my original question..... sound like it's very hard to deliver specific documentation.

I have to admit, that this is a huge disappointment to me. Since joining this forum I have learned a lot. Some of the members really know a lot about pro cycling, and it's a real joy to come here, and share your knowledge aswell as opinions, but if it turns out some of this "knowledge" is unfounded....
Well let's just say, that I'm glad it's not me putting baseless claims forward.
Which is also why I'm surprised with the lack of interest to answer my question, that's the way to prove or make the claims probable.

Just from the top of my head I can recall Bianchigirl expressing this claim.



What's with the questionmarks please enlighten me if you have further documentation to support your speculation.



Well thanks, but I was actually kind of hoping for members with the opposite perception to come forward.
I'm having the hardest time comprehending why so many journalists missed the plot altogether.

About the messy thread, I have to say I really don't like CC's style (I'm no judge, and I certainly don't believe, I have the right to tell you how to behave. Personally I just stick to a less provocative style, which I believe will lead to a better and more interesting debate).
Although in this particular case, I haven't seen anything to suggest that the article is mistaken

You might want to note where the provocation starts first around here. There might be a better way, but don't expect reason and civility back if you disagree with the e-mod around here. personal attacks come at you thick and fast. Note the amount of posts attacking CC for posting too much, despite the amount of quotes and responses directed at him, yet no such criticism comes for publicus who has been posting relentlessly of late

edit to make that point
# Total Posts: 445
# Posts Per Day: 2.30
# Find all posts by Carboncrank

# Total Posts: 2,113
# Posts Per Day: 6.48
# Find all posts by Publicus

 

[53 x 11]

Same old lame, dishonest attempts to dismiss posters who refuse to back down to your relentless assaults. You know full well he isn't arbiter, bpc whatever.
Pathetic.

Ummm...... Just spent a minute going through your posts, you have contributed nothing to this forum, nothing at all.

 

[progressor]

Ummm...... Just spent a minute going through your posts, you have contributed nothing to this forum, nothing at all.

If it only took a minute at least you can't accuse me of posting too much!
good to know theres someone here to judge all that is worthy or not

 

[WonderLance]

Hey guys.

I just read through Twitter that this thead contains stuff that I dont agree with so I'm gonna try and stuff it up for ya'll by *****ing about how others can't stop attacking posters and picking on the big texan who gives me a raging stiff frame pump.

Twitter................