The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[auscyclefan94]

Thanks ImmaculateKadence. I still don't see the weight loss that he's claiming. He looks about the same (actually better in the TdF photo I posted above, but I'm guessing that's a function of natural light), but I definitely don't see almost 9 pounds of lost weight.

he cut his 1 other testicle and donated it to liggett. that's where the weight has been lost!

 

[Publicus]

Magical weightloss and the fountain of youth.
The 2010 answer to training harder than anyone else.
6 months to July.
Can't wait for August.

Don't forget getting rid of their internal doping controls because the biological passport is good enough.

 

[Publicus]

he cut his 1 other testicle and donated it to liggett. that's where the weight has been lost!

That my friend is one heavy teste.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Thanks ImmaculateKadence. I still don't see the weight loss that he's claiming. He looks about the same (actually better in the TdF photo I posted above, but I'm guessing that's a function of natural light), but I definitely don't see almost 9 pounds of lost weight.

Yeah, after looking at those photos, I agree with you. I don't see much if any weight loss, but there were some photos of him on the bike where his torso looked massive. I'll have to look for the one I'm thinking of and get back to you.

 

[Oldman]

he cut his 1 other testicle and donated it to liggett. that's where the weight has been lost!

That would make Phil still light one...

 

[UpTheRoad]

How much does bullsh!t weigh? He has certainly spewed a lot of it. Perhaps even 4 kgs of it.

 

[Carboncrank]

You were just the recipient of a multiple BS call down, I think you would be better off just dropping this one.

Oh really? where was this?

 

[Carboncrank]

he cut his 1 other testicle and donated it to liggett. that's where the weight has been lost!

If that's true how did it end up in your mouth?

 

[Ripper]

How much does bullsh!t weigh? He has certainly spewed a lot of it. Perhaps even 4 kgs of it.

Best post of the day!

 

[Ripper]

If that's true how did it end up in your mouth?

I think you may have that one reversed and meant your own mouth.

 

[Carboncrank]

I think you may have that one reversed and meant your own mouth.

Oh... touche ... i haven't been bested like that since jr high school

 

[Hugh Januss]

You said.

Absolutely right. AC is no Buster Douglas. For the last 3 years he's been the greatest in the game and it's been fantastic to watch. It's been inspiring to watch.

If the quality of his current team wasn't in question, and he hadn't shown a tendency to go off reservation and ignore his DS, I'd say he's a lock to win the tour.

But I DO believe he has some vulnerabilities and that could make it more interesting.

And then....

The bolded passage is where we part company. His DS wasn't looking out for his best interest, so he took matters into his own hands. His current DS seems to have a much better grasp of the situation and is working hard to develop a level of trust with AC.

But he does have vulnerabilities (team, cobbles, likes to race) and this upcoming TdF could expose one or more of them. Though I think his biggest strength (he's a realist) will help him minimize those vulnerabilities.

Ignoring his DS? gee, I wonder why he might have ignored JB who according to your boy could be ego's "twin brother"...no worries man, egostrong is going to get that remaining ball ripped off this year...psych ops or not...

Not sure how having the backbone to not listen to a DS who is clearly advancing the chances of another rider in his own team shows vulnerablity on Contador's part.

Bruyneel is Lance Armstrong's personal DS, regardless of the team or its makeup.

He won the Tour BECAUSE he ignored Lance's DS.

Can you provide examples of AC ignoring the wishes of JB? A tendency presepposes it happened more that an isolated time. I recall only one time...the stage to Arcalis.

Surely you don't include the stage where he dropped Kloden, do you? While he may have made a tactical error there, was that against the wishes of JB? I don't see how, as LA was the primary beneficiary. It seems as though they should have been congratulating him, especially since LA's tactical error helped create the situation (such a wonderful teammate to allow Frank S. to bridge without any resistance offered at all).

If he were really pressed to expalin his attack within the team last year, he could merely have stated that since Kloden and Armstrong rode against him at Verbier, he was merely riding against another competitor.

BTW, I won't buy the "three Astana on the podium" argument, as that is ridiculously false.

ummmm...This is exactly what guys who win the tour do...I would have you go back and look at all the Armstrong stuff and how he won at certain points in his career...deciding to go...that sorta stuff of course might make you vulnerable IF you don't have what it takes...but it is what makes you win the tour and pound guys...otherwise, you are pretty much an evans...

But you kept going, so I said.....

You were just the recipient of a multiple BS call down, I think you would be better off just dropping this one.

So you asked...

Oh really? where was this?

So basically, that's where.
But hey, you might be the only one who saw it the "right way".

 

[Carboncrank]

You said.



And then....
















But you kept going, so I said.....

So you asked...


So basically, that's where.
But hey, you might be the only one who saw it the "right way".

I didn't even bother with this stuff because it was typical crank crap, but if you insist...

 

[Publicus]

I didn't even bother with this stuff because it was typical crank crap, but if you insist...

In other words, you didn't have a substantive response so you pretended those posts weren't actually made. Got it. Thanks for sparing us your typical crank crap.

 

[Carboncrank]

The bolded passage is where we part company. His DS wasn't looking out for his best interest, so he took matters into his own hands. His current DS seems to have a much better grasp of the situation and is working hard to develop a level of trust with AC.

His DS had won how many tours at that point? You seriously want to compare the new guy that I'm certain you never even heard of 3 months ago to Johann?
That doesn't work except with the circle jerk of Lance hating cranks here.

I'm telling you that JB's only interest was winning the race. He would never do anything to jeopardize that because that is his job and he has a long established bankable proven record of doing his job. He did not stand to have any greater personal glory if Lance won over Alberto. Johann wants to win the race. Everything flows from winning the race, nothing else matters, not now, not last year not ever. Lance clearly knew that. If he was going to win he'd have to do it far and square. Johann said all along that the road would sort thing out. The road did exactly that. There was little doubt after the early stages that Alberto would win, no doubt what so ever after stage 15. The only thing that could screw it up was for Alberto to go off on his own and get isolated, which nearly happened on stage 17. But he won anyway. Lance didn't. No need for a dozen crank ideas about JB and Lance trying to hurt AC's chances.
Has anybody but JB been DS of a team that had 2 previous winners on it? Not an easy situation for him to be in and he still won the race.
Now, Albert is on a team that even he didn't want to be on as recently as last November, in a conditional contract and you want to act as though everything is hunky dory.

 

[Carboncrank]

Ignoring his DS? gee, I wonder why he might have ignored JB who according to your boy could be ego's "twin brother"...no worries man, egostrong is going to get that remaining ball ripped off this year...psych ops or not...

I have no idea why Hugh put this in his list of supposed BS beat downs.
It doesn't say anything worth responding to.
You must think this is a playground shouting match.

 

[Carboncrank]

Not sure how having the backbone to not listen to a DS who is clearly advancing the chances of another rider in his own team shows vulnerablity on Contador's part.

I think this theory is bull$hit and have said so many times.

I don't feel the need to respond to it every time some crank pukes it up.

 

[Publicus]

His DS had won how many tours at that point? You seriously want to compare the new guy that I'm certain you never even heard of 3 months ago to Johann?
That doesn't work except with the circle jerk of Lance hating cranks here.

I'm telling you that JB's only interest was winning the race. He would never do anything to jeopardize that because that is his job and he has a long established bankable proven record of doing his job. He did not stand to have any greater personal glory if Lance won over Alberto. Johann wants to win the race. Everything flows from winning the race, nothing else matters, not now, not last year not ever. Lance clearly knew that. If he was going to win he'd have to do it far and square. Johann said all along that the road would sort thing out. The road did exactly that. There was little doubt after the early stages that Alberto would win, no doubt what so ever after stage 15. The only thing that could screw it up was for Alberto to go off on his own and get isolated, which nearly happened on stage 17. But he won anyway. Lance didn't. No need for a dozen crank ideas about JB and Lance trying to hurt AC's chances.
Has anybody but JB been DS of a team that had 2 previous winners on it? Not an easy situation for him to be in and he still won the race.
Now, Albert is on a team that even he didn't want to be on as recently as last November, in a conditional contract and you want to act as though everything is hunky dory.

Following the end of the race, but I'll dissect this shortly. You still are short on substance and long on hyperbole and obfuscation.

EDIT: You know I was going to spend some time dissecting this and building the case that JB had mixed loyalties, etc., but really that's a pointless exercise. If JB only cares about winning, why would he go with the horse he knows has a 1 in a million chance of winning versus the one with a 1 in 2 chance?

 

[Carboncrank]

He won the Tour BECAUSE he ignored Lance's DS.

I didn't respond to this because it is so stupid that I don't even think most of the Lance hater even believe it.

 

[Race Radio]

I didn't respond to this because it is so stupid that I don't even think most of the Lance hater even believe it.

YOU are saying that someone is posting stupid stuff?

ring, ring

"Hello kettle, it's the pot....."

 

[Carboncrank]

YOU are saying that someone is posting stupid stuff?

ring, ring

"Hello kettle, it's the pot....."

oh what a clever boy you are.

check back with me when you actually have something to say.

 

[Carboncrank]

YOU are saying that someone is posting stupid stuff?

ring, ring

"Hello kettle, it's the pot....."

yes somebody posted stupid

Originally Posted by Moose McKnuckles
He won the Tour BECAUSE he ignored Lance's DS.

This is what's stupid.

Am I going slow enough for you?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Sometimes there is a thin line between continuing to argue an unpopular point of view and just being stupid.

 

[cotterpin]

carbon crank v world

maybe this thread could be re-named 'carbon crank vs. the world'
c.c. gets an 'A' for tenacity and an 'f' for logic(e.g. how is JB not LA's personal DS)

 

[Ferminal]

Sometimes there is a thin line between continuing to argue an unpopular point of view and just being stupid.

He crossed it yonks ago...