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Carboncrank said:
So congratulations. You found one rider who had some kind of collarbone injury, maybe, who knows when, and won the tour.

Here are some of Coppi's major fractures, and his bigs wins that year


1952: Collarbone on the track in Perpignan/Won BOTH the Tour and the Giro

For the reading comprehension impared.
 
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why does cc believe LA would've won the TDF w/o the collarbone break ?
It's obvious that AC could've put way more time between himself and Douchestrong if he had wanted to. Does anybody think AC couldn't have won a couple more stages if he had to?
cc needs to pull his head out a join reality.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Here are some of Coppi's major fractures, and his bigs wins that year


1952: Collarbone on the track in Perpignan/Won BOTH the Tour and the Giro

For the reading comprehension impared.

It's going to happen soon....

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cotterpin said:
why does cc believe LA would've won the TDF w/o the collarbone break ?
It's obvious that AC could've put way more time between himself and Douchestrong if he had wanted to. Does anybody think AC couldn't have won a couple more stages if he had to?
cc needs to pull his head out a join reality.

CC is in need of some A N G E R Management. He's getting there slowly ...

:D
 
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CC, just quit while you're behind. You're digging a bigger hole with every post. Don't let your reputation decend into the Arbiter territory.
 
Carboncrank said:
It's halarious that you added "cracked" to "head and knee" from 1954 and if there's any truth to it, it mainly proves the guy was a crashfest.
If in fact it's true he won in '52 after a collarbone, I'll stand corrected but the rest of what you posted about him is irrelevant, like the fact he was a prisioner in WWII.

This slur about Coppi, takes the biscuit. It is so disrespectful of a terrible time and its hardships, not to mention showing appalling ignorance about a rider who Armstrong can't hold a candle to.
I'm afraid this crank must join an elite few on my ignore list.
(until he goes the way of all such trolls)
 
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Perhaps were Crank to study the history and heritage of the sport he would develop a better grasp and perspective of - not to mention appreciation of - cycling. While he remains an acolyte posturing as an 'informed fan' I'm afraid he can't possibly be taken seriously. I enjoy the comedy value but the ignorance level is just a little too high.
 

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Carboncrank said:
Not just more. Obviously it would be more.

TEN TIMES MORE was the claim.

If it was 20 times more or 9 times more, you'd still argue the point.

Can I change my handle to 'big talking buffoon' without creating a whole new user? It's amusing. You say a lot of amusing things, but this was directed at me and...well, it made me feel special.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
This slur about Coppi, takes the biscuit. It is so disrespectful of a terrible time and its hardships, not to mention showing appalling ignorance about a rider who Armstrong can't hold a candle to.
I'm afraid this crank must join an elite few on my ignore list.
(until he goes the way of all such trolls)

as soon as I saw his post about coppi he immediately became the first person to go on my ignore list.
 
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bianchigirl said:
Perhaps were Crank to study the history and heritage of the sport he would develop a better grasp and perspective of - not to mention appreciation of - cycling. While he remains an acolyte posturing as an 'informed fan' I'm afraid he can't possibly be taken seriously. I enjoy the comedy value but the ignorance level is just a little too high.

+1. I've been lurking here for a while. I used to be active in these types of threads but just got sick of butting my head against a wall. So now I am happy to let the fans fester in their ignorance regarding Lance. But to show such ignorance of the history of the sport and its true legends just shows how truly pathetic and ignorant some of these fanboys really are. CC - you've shown your true colours, and they're ugly.
 
elapid said:
But to show such ignorance of the history of the sport and its true legends just shows how truly pathetic and ignorant some of these fanboys really are. CC - you've shown your true colours, and they're ugly.

The only ones that are truly more pathetic and ignorant are the ones that are engaged in conversation with aforementioned fanboy. They truly have no colours to speak of.
 

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Mellow Velo said:
This slur about Coppi, takes the biscuit. It is so disrespectful of a terrible time and its hardships, not to mention showing appalling ignorance about a rider who Armstrong can't hold a candle to.
I'm afraid this crank must join an elite few on my ignore list.
(until he goes the way of all such trolls)

I didn't want to get into this but you leave me no choice, you fricking hypocrite.

The claim make was the his time as a WWII prisoner was part of the reason his bones were allegedly brittle, which a absolutely, provably not be true. Cases of Allies starving Axis prisoners are rare if they exist at all.

"He was kept in a prisoner of war camp, where he shared plates with the father of Claudio Chiappucci, who rode the Tour in the 1990s. He was given odd jobs to do. The British cyclist Len Levesley said he was astonished to find Coppi giving him a haircut.[23] Levesley, who was on a stretcher with polio, said:
I should think it took me all of a full second to realise who it was. He looked fine, he looked slim, and having been in the desert, he looked tanned. I'd only seen him in cycling magazines but I knew instantly who he was. So he cut away at my hair and I tried to have a conversation with him, but he didn't speak English and I don't speak Italian. But we managed one or two words and I got over to him that I did some club racing. And I gave him a bar of chocolate that I had with me and he was grateful for that and that was the end of it.[n 3]
The British moved Coppi to an RAF base at Caserta in Italy in 1945. There he worked for an officer who had never heard of him. Coppi was allowed liberal terms, the war being as good as over."

More about your cycling saint. He was a drug user.

"Coppi spoke of the subject in a television interview:
Question: Do cyclists take la bomba (amphetamine)?
Answer: Yes, and those who claim otherwise, it's not worth talking to them about cycling.
Question: And you, did you take la bomba?
Answer: Yes. Whenever it was necessary.
Question: And when was it necessary?
Answer: Almost all the time!"

The source for he above interview is; Archive extract from Quando Volava l'Airone, part of a programme called Format, Rai Tre television, 1998; and Cited Nouvel Observateur, France, 19 November 2008

"Coppi "set the pace" in drug-taking, said his contemporary, the Dutchman, Wim van Est. "
Source, Cycling, UK, 4 January 1990

The source for all of this is the Wikipedia page, the same Wikipedia page Race Radio literally copy pasted his information about Coppi from.

You can use gang insults against me all you want. I notice that the responses to what I wrote were long on personal insults, and extremely short on attacks of my facts.
 

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Hugh Januss said:
Here are some of Coppi's major fractures, and his bigs wins that year


1952: Collarbone on the track in Perpignan/Won BOTH the Tour and the Giro

For the reading comprehension impared.

That what Race Radio said. The Wikipedia page he got that from simply said; Broken bones. And it's in a section that's not sourced.

He appears to show one instance in all of racing history of someone having a collarbone break and winning the tour. One. just one. Big deal. We don't know when it happened, may have been January for all he knows.

He also tried to claim Merckx did it in 69, which is false. His accident happened at the end of that season, not the beginning. I write this again because you didn't get it the first time.

Look at all the hoops you bunch of cranks jump through, to prove what?

You're all like ditto heads or tea baggers or birthers. You need no facts to back up your notions. All you need is a handfull of others for your little self congradulating club and your happy campers.

The world you live in exists only on this forum, and maybe to a lesser degree on a couple of others.
 

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cotterpin said:
why does cc believe LA would've won the TDF w/o the collarbone break ?
It's obvious that AC could've put way more time between himself and Douchestrong if he had wanted to. Does anybody think AC couldn't have won a couple more stages if he had to?
cc needs to pull his head out a join reality.

Since you evidently have a reading problem I'll repost what I wrote, but his time larger to make it easier for you.

"The main reason he lost was Alberto Contador. But it did have an impact and knowing that is but one of a zillion reasons it would be stupid for Johann to do anything to hurt Alberto's chances. The main result of any such attempt would too likely end with a non Astana rider winning.
I mean Johan is good, but give me a break. No DS would be good enough to manipulate that outcome unless there was some reason to be sure Lance was strong enough pull it off. Lance would have been a longshot even if Alberto hadn't been there.
But he made a good showing, and that drives you guys nuts. Not winning was not enough.
 
Carboncrank said:
Since you evidently have a reading problem I'll repost what I wrote, but his time larger to make it easier for you.

"The main reason he lost was Alberto Contador. But it did have an impact and knowing that is but one of a zillion reasons it would be stupid for Johann to do anything to hurt Alberto's chances. The main result of any such attempt would too likely end with a non Astana rider winning.
I mean Johan is good, but give me a break. No DS would be good enough to manipulate that outcome unless there was some reason to be sure Lance was strong enough pull it off. Lance would have been a longshot even if Alberto hadn't been there.
But he made a good showing, and that drives you guys nuts. Not winning was not enough.

Stop making excuses. The broken collarbone had no effect on Armstrong at the TdF. He said he was hitting his 2002 numbers in training and that he was
there to win. He didn't. End of story.

And the fact that JB was willing to entertain the notion of the road deciding who was team leader underscores this point. He was fine. He was in great shape. And he got his a$$ handed to him by Alberto and Andy.
 
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Carboncrank said:
He also tried to claim Merckx did it in 69, which is false. His accident happened at the end of that season, not the beginning. I write this again because you didn't get it the first time.

Wrong, Again.

Merckx's epic crash happened in the off season between the 69-70 season. As I wrote he won the Giro and the Tour, these wins happened in the 70 season after the crash . He also won Paris-Roubaix, Gent-Wevelgem, and Flèche Wallonne a few months after the crash and prior to winning the Giro and the Tour. Have you ever heard of those races?
 

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Originally Posted by Carboncrank
Hasn't anyone here watched Hogan's Hero's? Being a prisoner of war is like going away to summer camp Blah, Blah
Race Radio said:
Keep digging that hole.

I suggest you buy this great book to learn more about a great rider
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fallen-Angel-Passion-Fausto-Coppi/dp/0224074474

I did NOT say what you put after my name.

I consider what you've done here completely out of bounds and I'm hoping a moderator will step in and do something about it.

I had an uncle that was a bombadier on a B-17 shot down over Germany and spent 17 months in a POW camp.

I know firsthand that the reason the Allies treated Axis prisoners well had to do with concern about how the Germans would treat my uncle. You frickinng smug ***.
 
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Carboncrank said:
Originally Posted by Carboncrank
Hasn't anyone here watched Hogan's Hero's? Being a prisoner of war is like going away to summer camp Blah, Blah


I did NOT say what you put after my name.

I consider what you've done here completely out of bounds and I'm hoping a moderator will step in and do something about it.

I had an uncle that was a bombadier on a B-17 shot down over Germany and spent 17 months in a POW camp.

I know firsthand that the reason the Allies treated Axis prisoners well had to do with concern about how the Germans would treat my uncle. You frickinng smug ***.

Your name calling doesn't change the fact that you tried to diminish Coppi's time in a POW camp and calling one of the greatest riders ever a "crashfest"

You were proven wrong and are embarrassed, we get it. Don't make it worse by ranting. Now go take your pills and find your happy place.
 
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