The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[ravens]

Wrong, Again.

Merckx's epic crash happened in the off season between the 69-70 season. As I wrote he won the Giro and the Tour, these wins happened in the 70 season after the crash . He also won Paris-Roubaix, Gent-Wevelgem, and Flèche Wallonne a few months after the crash and prior to winning the Giro and the Tour. Have you ever heard of those races?

Flesh whaaaaattt?

 

[Ripper]

Oh, the BS of the Spin

Hmmm, so JB is saying he was satisfied with the TDU, while Pharmstrong says he is lighter, stronger, and has a new position. So all was good with the TDU, right?

What about this comment from Pharmstrong - "We need to perform," said the Texan. "If we leave without a stage win, I would be disappointed."

I guess he is disappointed in his TDU. Aw, too bad

 

[Mellow Velo]

The trouble with having loads of photos taken, is that you can see that, in fact, he has changed very little.
Sure, he looks older, but less beefy?
Advance spin for the new Ferrari formula.

Still, when you know that the fanboys will eat it up and spew it out.....

 

[thehog]

The trouble with having loads of photos taken, is that you can see that, in fact, he has changed very little.
Sure, he looks older, but less beefy?
Advance spin for the new Ferrari formula.

Still, when you know that the fanboys will eat it up and spew it out.....

http://www.amnews.com/stories/2010/01/25/fea.436817.sto

 

[hfer07]

Hmmm, so JB is saying he was satisfied with the TDU, while Pharmstrong says he is lighter, stronger, and has a new position. So all was good with the TDU, right?

What about this comment from Pharmstrong - "We need to perform," said the Texan. "If we leave without a stage win, I would be disappointed."

I guess he is disappointed in his TDU. Aw, too bad

wait a minute!! the hog is saying that all those tests done in the wind tunnel, the thoughtful program done by Carmichael& co. & the endless hours of bike fitting ARE USELESS?
This is quote from MIchele Ferrari on his website:
http://53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=105

"I read that during the "Grand Boucle" he had to raise the saddle of his bike, putting 2-4 mm higher than his usual measure in the past.
This may be due to a hip anteversion caused by his running practice in the last couple of years and/or a lower fat mass in the buttocks area."

I suggest they need to talk to each other and get their versions together prior to publish all that BS

 

[Publicus]

wait a minute!! the hog is saying that all those tests done in the wind tunnel, the thoughtful program done by Carmichael& co. & the endless hours of bike fitting ARE USELESS?
This is quote from MIchele Ferrari on his website:
http://53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=105

"I read that during the "Grand Boucle" he had to raise the saddle of his bike, putting 2-4 mm higher than his usual measure in the past.
This may be due to a hip anteversion caused by his running practice in the last couple of years and/or a lower fat mass in the buttocks area."

I suggest they need to talk to each other and get their versions together prior to publish all that BS

They really are all over the place. We need a better cycling media (though we need a better media period, but I digress).

 

[ravens]

I stand corrected. You are right.
He was a great rider and it was a great feat.

Lance and Eddy are good friends. I actually heard Eddie call Lance "the greatest".

Just for perspective, if Eddie had been injured on March 23rd of 1970 he would missed the first 3 races you mention so that part of your point is completely moot.

Eddie was 25 years old, Lance was 37. Where was Eddy at age 37. On the podium at the tour de france?

2 words:
Zo Loft

2 more:
Pro Zac

Take a ride around the block, assuming you own a bike.

 

[ravens]

I agree with Publicus, LA just didn't have it in his legs to match the younger champion generation who is in their prime: Contador and Schleck.

All in all, marketing-wise, LA's return is good for the world of pro cycling. I hope it brings more awareness of this great sport to the masses, and that the salaries of the peloton rise as well. Not only LA's income.

There's a Spanish saying, I'm sure Contador knows it, that goes something like this: "Tell me what you boast about and I'll tell you what you lack". Lately, the only thing Armstrong does is boast.

All the talking Armstrong is doing is only to compensate what he doesn't have anymore. He might as well get the spotlight with all those BS statements while he can, before the TDF and make some money. He might as well re-pay his sponsor by talking to the media every week about how much he dislikes Contador.

Nice first post! strong out of the gate.

I'll say this for all his boasting. if it was me, and I thought I had a legit shot at winning a gt at age 38 and 7/8's or whatever it will be, and I was rocking the highest metrics I had ever done, and I was PED free, and I was blowing away the motorpace vehicle (even if I ought to be building base - different topic) ......

Well here's what you would hear out of me: .......... Not .... A ..... Peep....

I would be totally stoked to play the 'oh, I am just an old man trying to put in a good showing for my fans, one last hurrah, y'know' and then I'd lay quietly in the tall grass until one of those last climbs, where the real contenders come out to play, and THEN and only THEN I'd open up a can that the cyclists who aren't even born yet would be talking about in hushed tones when they are my age.

But, hey, that's just me.

 

[ravens]

It was healed and a non-issue. You are trying to make it an issue with nothing but your own opinion to suggest that it was. That's what it means to make something up out of thin air.

Your boy lost. Badly. Stop making excuses and accept that fact. He wasn't the strongest and it had nothing to do with his collarbone. Nothing.

I disagree that he lost badly. He behaved badly and essentially peed all over his own parade. 3rd ought to be an awesome feat, he acted terribly, though. What a classless fool.

 

[Publicus]

Nice first post! strong out of the gate.

I'll say this for all his boasting. if it was me, and I thought I had a legit shot at winning a gt at age 38 and 7/8's or whatever it will be, and I was rocking the highest metrics I had ever done, and I was PED free, and I was blowing away the motorpace vehicle (even if I ought to be building base - different topic) ......

Well here's what you would hear out of me: .......... Not .... A ..... Peep....

I would be totally stoked to play the 'oh, I am just an old man trying to put in a good showing for my fans, one last hurrah, y'know' and then I'd lay quietly in the tall grass until one of those last climbs, where the real contenders come out to play, and THEN and only THEN I'd open up a can that the cyclists who aren't even born yet would be talking about in hushed tones when they are my age.

But, hey, that's just me.

+100000000000 Not a peep. Would play it very close to the vest. Very close.

 

[ravens]

If I remember correctly Frank S. finished 40sec behind Douchestrong which is how much Astana beat Saxo Bank by in the TTT.
But what is up with cc? that guy needs help getting his face unstuck from Pharmstrong's chamois!

I hope for his sake that demand media is paying him by the word. I can't imagine shoveling that manure for free, but I will do it gladly for a price.

 

[Publicus]

I disagree that he lost badly. He behaved badly and essentially peed all over his own parade. 3rd ought to be an awesome feat, he acted terribly, though. What a classless fool.

When I say badly, I'm talking in relation to the posturing he was doing from Stage 3 until Verbier. Based on his talk, I was expecting more of a game of it. But that's my opinion that he lost badly. Securing a podium position under the circumstances was an awesome feat.

 

[ravens]

Carbon Crank...

DING DING... we have a winner....

Guess who's back..... back again.... tell a friend

Jacks back...

Great song.

 

[ravens]

wait a minute!! the hog is saying that all those tests done in the wind tunnel, the thoughtful program done by Carmichael& co. & the endless hours of bike fitting ARE USELESS?
This is quote from MIchele Ferrari on his website:
http://53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=105

"I read that during the "Grand Boucle" he had to raise the saddle of his bike, putting 2-4 mm higher than his usual measure in the past.
This may be due to a hip anteversion caused by his running practice in the last couple of years and/or a lower fat mass in the buttocks area."

I suggest they need to talk to each other and get their versions together prior to publish all that BS

The fans don't care what it is, as long as it is something. The logic, rationale, veracity and meaning are all irrelevant, they just need to keep feeding the beast. The beast eats everything including manure.

 

[ravens]

When I say badly, I'm talking in relation to the posturing he was doing from Stage 3 until Verbier. Based on his talk, I was expecting more of a game of it. But that's my opinion that he lost badly. Securing a podium position under the circumstances was an awesome feat.

It would have been more impressive, not that 3rd is dogmeat, had he at least been closer to Andy's podium position, I got the impression that saxo bank gave him no respect and used all the in-house crud to their own benefit. I think given a couple caveats, Levi's crash and a more unified team, they may have actually achieved the 1-2-3 finish that many of us hoped for.

His antics were sort of on display since he announced his comeback and they were just despicable during the tour. I understand the intent now of your 'lost badly' usage.

 

[Carboncrank]

Jerkhammer eh? Every night is fight night.
Two ignores with one click!
Best of all, it doesn't effect reading the thread.
If at first you don't succeed by slagging off Coppi, try Merckx.
No respect or perspective.

For tonight's menu, may I suggest:
"Would Lance have podiumed, if he had been riding for BBox Bouygues Telecom?

I had nothing bad to say about Merckx.

Coppi was no chior boy, but evidently the greatest amphetamine fueled rider of his era.

or couse you want to ignore the infantile name calling in lew of actually debating what I said, and someone quoting my handle and writing things I didn't say.

Your romanticized worship of riders long gone is quaint.
Was Coppi the biggest crank head of his era or was he not?

The hypocrisy is blatant.

Lance podiumed clean which is something you internet cranks claimed for years could never happen.

The responses here have been long on insult, short on actual debate of my facts. I lay out why I think something and the children gang up in insult contests, not debating my reasoning.

It just solidifies the image of the Lance haters as a self congratulating clique of cranks without much of an ability to defend their position.

More proof of this, is the notion that you just put anybody that argues with you on ignore so you can then go on congratulating each other on how smart you are in uncovering Lances evil plots against humanity and small children.

 

[Bronstein]

How do you know for sure that he 'podiumed clean'?

 

[issoisso]

How do you know for sure that he 'podiumed clean'?

He's from an alternate dimension where Armstrong's blood values during the Tour were completely different.

 

[Race Radio]

How do you know for sure that he 'podiumed clean'?

He read it on Livestrong.com

Armstrong was far from clean this year. His groupies attempts to deflect to Coppi's doping does not change this.

 

[ravens]

I had nothing bad to say about Merckx.

Coppi was no chior boy, but evidently the greatest amphetamine fueled rider of his era.

or couse you want to ignore the infantile name calling in lew of actually debating what I said, and someone quoting my handle and writing things I didn't say.

Your romanticized worship of riders long gone is quaint.
Was Coppi the biggest crank head of his era or was he not?

The hypocrisy is blatant.

Lance podiumed clean which is something you internet cranks claimed for years could never happen.

The responses here have been long on insult, short on actual debate of my facts. I lay out why I think something and the children gang up in insult contests, not debating my reasoning.

It just solidifies the image of the Lance haters as a self congratulating clique of cranks without much of an ability to defend their position.

More proof of this, is the notion that you just put anybody that argues with you on ignore so you can then go on congratulating each other on how smart you are in uncovering Lances evil plots against humanity and small children.

'Podiumed clean' Yikes, that is some weird construction raght thar!

Please illuminate: What draws you to defend him the way you do.

I am not trying to insult you. I have taken a job that pays me a fraction of what I used to make to keep my family afloat. If anyone is hiring pro-lance witers, I will gladly (well- not gladly, strike that) sell my integrity to pay my bills.

The fact that I can at times post volumes during the middle of a weekday is a testament to where I have fallen in the workplace.

 

[kurtinsc]

"Clean" in cycling means "haven't been caught yet".

They're all doped... but as Lance hasn't been caught yet... he's as clean as any of the other top riders.

What I find odd about the people that go after Lance about doping isn't that they think he's doped... it's that they believe other riders (their favorites mostly) aren't doped.

Maybe I can buy it about some sprinters (maybe). That's about it though. And I tend to think even they are taking SOMETHING... just probably not the same stuff as the climbers and TT guys.

 

[issoisso]

"Clean" in cycling means "haven't been caught yet".

They're all doped... but as Lance hasn't been caught yet... he's as clean as any of the other top riders.

What I find odd about the people that go after Lance about doping isn't that they think he's doped... it's that they believe other riders (their favorites mostly) aren't doped.

Maybe I can buy it about some sprinters (maybe). That's about it though. And I tend to think even they are taking SOMETHING... just probably not the same stuff as the climbers and TT guys.

Not everyone is on drugs kurt my boy. And I'm sure you see me as a pessimist, so I'm sure you'll be surprised by that statement

 

[kurtinsc]

Not everyone is on drugs kurt my boy. And I'm sure you see me as a pessimist, so I'm sure you'll be surprised by that statement

Oh I'm sure not everyone is doped.

Just everyone who finishes highly in the big races. (again... with the POSSIBLE exception of some sprinters perhaps)

 

[Digger]

well I have been watching the highlights on that player thing, but only the final clip of each stage because the rest just seemed like an infomercial for the Uniballer and SA... Sadly I let it run on and it went into that Lance sycophancy, and I was struck dumb with horror and couldn't turn it off... I mean Kimmage and Walsh give a good shot at things at the Times, but I can forsee some pretty shameful reporting of Team Sky up ahead by the News Corp boys over the next few years, I wonder if Kimmage and especially Walsh will toe the party line.

Kimmage has already interviewed Brailsford and been less than favourable in the article.

 

[Carboncrank]

Originally Posted by Carboncrank
Hasn't anyone here watched Hogan's Hero's? Being a prisoner of war is like going away to summer camp Blah, Blah

Keep digging that hole.

I suggest you buy this great book to learn more about a great rider
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fallen-Angel-Passion-Fausto-Coppi/dp/0224074474

The reason I'm sensitive about you putting such words in my mouth is this.

http://www.91stbombgroup.com/Dailies/322ndjan1943.html

Note the service of my uncle John W. Temple and aircraft 511, Wheel N Deal, (search the page for a/c 511).

Note the mission of Dec 1st 1943.

It simply states; "Remarks: The following A/C failed to return: A/C 794 piloted by Lt. L. J. Anderson, A/C 511 piloted by Lt. J. T. Wennenberg, A/C 836 piloted by Lt. Charles L. Early. Major H. W. Weitzenfeld, C.O. of the 401st, was group leader."

6 of the crew were killed in the 30 minute running attack buy the Luftwaffe fighers because fighter cover was late, or the flack burst that finished them, or the crash, 1 died a week later of his injuries.

He spent the rest of the war in Stalag Luft 1 Barth-Vogelsang Prussia 54-12.

My uncles treatment was no Hogan's heroes experience, I remember his reaction to the show, but I know it would have been worse if the allies hadn't been feeding the Germans documentation of German officers putting on plays, playing in orchestras, building furniture, working on farms, and the like.

Coppi's wartime experience is easy to research as is Axis prisoner treatment by the British and Americans. Concidering wartime conditions in Italy during that period, he was probably eating better than his family.

I'm not the one that brought it up.