The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Anonymous]

I don't know if anyone is following the wheel gate post, but Bruyneel admitted to Marca over the weekend that Contador did buy his own wheel (he said it was because they were different colors for the Livestrong decal and someone in his entourage said they were better even though they were identical). Today the writer who wrote the stories Lance said were lies handed out all the details, with Alberto's very experienced mechanic Faustino Munoz, not believing the Trek liaison that the two rear wheels Lance had were the same as Alberto's. He tossed them on the scale and they were much lighter. Alberto knew something was up, but didn't want to cause a fuss before the race even started, so he paid 5000 Euros to get his own wheels with special ceramic bearings. The link is below. I'll remind you that Lance's side of the story was that it Alberto's a liar, it never happened, you can call Trek.

http://marcawas5.recoletos.es/blogs/Controlador?opcion=9&codPost=5129

 

[SpeedWay]

. . . The sooner we start LAUGHING AT THE CHARADE, . . .

Fortunately for the entertainment value of this forum, most of you guys don't have a sense of humor. (Not you CC - good stuff!!)

 

[SpeedWay]

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when you look around at places not cowed by the myth, funded by Livestrong or crowded out by sycophants the picture of a cynical, malicious, self-centred repugnant (I could go on) person.

So it makes total sense for Mr. Armstrong to duck Contador at the Volta a Cataluña in Spain, for the obvious reason that he will he show poorly against his main rival and a lot of other riders (there are other riders, right), but also that Mr. Armstrong would prefer to avoid a scene where the Spanish media gushes forth to embrace Contador, and Armstrong is shunted aside and/or totally ignored. I don't think he could stand that, although I certainly would enjoy it very much. Also, however, do we need to mention the possibility of an appearance fee being offered to Mr. Armstrong to appear at the Criterium? Perhaps, not. On the subject of whether or not Mr. Armstrong is good for cycling, I think that this is another instance of where he is obviously bad for the sport. For every wasted article on Mr. Armstrong, we could have learned something important about another cyclist or another event or whatever. Rather we just get drivel about Lance. Oh, yeah! I was going to respond to the interview where Mr. Armstrong, said that Contador should not be afraid of Lance," but I was just so disgusted with the guy at the time I couldn't write. What I wanted to say was that the last person I could not stand that referred to himself in the 3rd person was Richard Nixon, who did this frequently during his "Final Daze." I wonder if this is what is happening to Lance, as he begins to run in to reality and begins to fade out. My question is, do you think he will ever go away or is cycling at risk of being ruined forever by him. Anyway, I liked cycling when no one knew about it and we are now paying through the nose for Mr. Armstrong and getting nothing for it. As well, the level of reporting has sunk to an all time low. That also reminds me, Is Valverde's dog dead, he never had a dog, or the dog wasn't born before Opertion P. Mr. Armstrong has the media so screwed up that they can't get anything straight. The rule of thumb for Mr. Armstrong should be, Ignore the first two things he says about anything, since they are not true, and then ignore the 3rd thing because, who cares. Well, that's not really true. I care. I love this forum.

Don't be so terse and to the point. Tell us what you really think about Mr. Armstrong.

 

[ravens]

I don't know if anyone is following the wheel gate post, but Bruyneel admitted to Marca over the weekend that Contador did buy his own wheel (he said it was because they were different colors for the Livestrong decal and someone in his entourage said they were better even though they were identical). Today the writer who wrote the stories Lance said were lies handed out all the details, with Alberto's very experienced mechanic Faustino Munoz, not believing the Trek liaison that the two rear wheels Lance had were the same as Alberto's. He tossed them on the scale and they were much lighter. Alberto knew something was up, but didn't want to cause a fuss before the race even started, so he paid 5000 Euros to get his own wheels with special ceramic bearings. The link is below. I'll remind you that Lance's side of the story was that it Alberto's a liar, it never happened, you can call Trek.

http://marcawas5.recoletos.es/blogs/Controlador?opcion=9&codPost=5129

I read the other thread. It's an interesting story. that seems to be the way of pro cycling (and probably just about any other sport). the Lemond/Hinault parallels are remarkable. Other than that, you already know Lance is a snake, how much more evidence is required?

 

[Señor_Contador]

This place is like that tavern. There's a core group drank the coolaid on the evils of Lance Armstrong long before they found this forum and have found a home here. They continually congratulate themselves on the latest exaggerations, rumors or outright inventions, like extrapolating some big dog tensions at Astana into a plot to perpetrate a sporting fraud, and they use gang tactics to silence or drive away those who don't toe the party line.

You are the most stubborn human being I've read in a while.

First and foremost, how do you expect people to respect your arguments when you come accross saying things that totally contradict what you said in some of the posts? I mean, believe it or not, people read, and read well, even though they may have drunk the coolaid. For starters, you come accross as the voice of common sense, devoid of any fanaticism, willing to help all and one who are being subjected to a verbal whoopa$$... yet, you just spent the better part of your Saturday and Sunday defending Lance by putting down Alberto Contador, or, at the very least, making him seem like the Spaniard was the one lying (see Contador in 2010).

Secondly you say that we present "exaggerations, rumors or outright inventions", yet everything that was put forth was followed by quotes from either media outlets or cycling world insiders.

Thirdly, you say that we put forth "a plot to perpetrate a sporting fraud" on the part of some Astana, yet all we presented to you is a plan on the part of JB and LA to get out of Astana before the contracts were over, which is not "sporting fraud" per se. We've used various arguments to make it easier for you to understand why we think LA is not the squeaky-clean All-American boy that The Lance Armstrong Show makes him out to be, but rather, an egocentric maniac who has become a character seeking only monetary gain from the sport and does not hesitate to ruin someone's career if they get on the way of his Grand Plan.

Case and point: If Armstrong is indeed such a team player, something he and his bítches stressed over and over during the past TdF, and Alberto is not... Why is Alberto the only leader that stayed with The Team? And by logical deduction, whose loyalty should be put into question here?

These are the type of simple deductions you are unable, or unwillin, to make that irritate people here. You cannot honestly ask people to take you seriously (which you think is "gang tactics") if you can't get past the initial fanatical BS and then go on to something else... but you insist in drowning the forum with endless posts that refute nothing and worst of all, say very little.

I'm actually know for having pretty good critical thinking skills and a championship level bull$hit detector.

Yes, in the case of Lance you request 16 different quotes from 16 different people, while in the case of Contador a simple "I've read from my cousin's dog's sister's veterinary that..." suffices. Critical thinking at its best.

I don't defend him, he doesn't need my help. I defend against what I see as wrong facts, erroneous opinions, and prejudiced thinking.

But what wrong facts are you talking about? Everything that you posted has been either backed up or explained in detail. That's what I don't get.

 

[Polish]

1. Is he dodging Contador?
2. If so, why?
3. How does this make you feel?

swordsman, Alberto has turned into a part-time racing homebody.
When is the last time he has even turned his wheels in anger?
Six months ago??

If Alberto wants to personally experience the "Lance Effect" at a race, he will need to pack up his suitcase of courage and venture a bit further from his peublo.

so to answer your questions...
1) No, but it appears Contador is doing the dodging.
2) Alberto does not like argy bargy
3) How does this make YOU feel?

 

[Big GMaC]

Fortunately for the entertainment value of this forum, most of you guys don't have a sense of humor. (Not you CC - good stuff!!)

I am beginning to think there are way, way more puppets than thought. Note the emboldened area. Very similar to the way that Arbiter (I think there should be consensus when referencing this poster, I am not going to write the list each time, we all know the names) self congratulated his own writing.

And Senor Contador - Word

 

[Big GMaC]

swordsman, Alberto has turned into a part-time racing homebody.
When is the last time he has even turned his wheels in anger?
Six months ago??

If Alberto wants to personally experience the "Lance Effect" at a race, he will need to pack up his suitcase of courage and venture a bit further from his peublo.

so to answer your questions...
1) No, but it appears Contador is doing the dodging.
2) Alberto does not like argy bargy
3) How does this make YOU feel?

I'm sorry, but after the year Contador had to put up with I am not surprise he took a break from racing, namely to get away from the bad memories he no doubt had at the old Astana set-up, TdF win or not.

I think if you check the News Page you will see that it is Lance who has packed his suitcase of blood/blondes/burgeoning ego for the Criterium International, to avoid racing Alberto. It is not Contador who has changed his racing schedule.

And hey, judging by the '08 Giro, Alberto could have spent all winter in the Bahamas downing cocktails and still beat Lance. With a more natural tan on display as well...

 

[Polish]

I'm sorry, but after the year Contador had to put up with I am not surprise he took a break from racing, namely to get away from the bad memories he no doubt had at the old Astana set-up, TdF win or not.

That sounds to me like Alberto wants to avoid Lance.

I will suggest it again - Alberto needs to pack up his suitcase of courage and confront his fears.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Fortunately for the entertainment value of this forum, most of you guys don't have a sense of humor. (Not you CC - good stuff!!)

Using the extra strong, troll chum today, I see.
Another useless, pointless post from the master baiter.

 

[Publicus]

swordsman, Alberto has turned into a part-time racing homebody.
When is the last time he has even turned his wheels in anger?
Six months ago??

If Alberto wants to personally experience the "Lance Effect" at a race, he will need to pack up his suitcase of courage and venture a bit further from his peublo.

so to answer your questions...
1) No, but it appears Contador is doing the dodging.
2) Alberto does not like argy bargy
3) How does this make YOU feel?

How is Alberto dodging Armstrong if Armstrong was the one who changed his racing program to avoid the first potential encounter at Cataluyna?

 

[Big GMaC]

That sounds to me like Alberto wants to avoid Lance.

I will suggest it again - Alberto needs to pack up his suitcase of courage and confront his fears.

No, that was at the end of last season, and I said the Astana Team setup, which Lance was not a part of. The team, the DS's, the Soigneurs, the Mechanics, the whole deal, not Lance.

Alberto has a race schedule. Announced. Once. Done. Not like the LA circus that is currently on playing. Personally I would love to see Contador race Armstrong before the Tour, tear his head off and defecate down the bleeding stump, but unfortunately there is only one person running away from fears, only one person changing race schedules and that is Armstrong

 

[Race Radio]

How is Alberto dodging Armstrong if Armstrong was the one who changed his racing program to avoid the first potential encounter at Cataluyna?

Exactly....and Alberto is racing the same program he raced last year. Contador is doing the what has worked for him in the past and Armstrong is dodging him.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/2652/Contador-discusses-Astana-changes-and-2010-preparation.aspx

"Contador will continue to follow a similar program to 2009"

 

[Mellow Velo]

swordsman, Alberto has turned into a part-time racing homebody.
When is the last time he has even turned his wheels in anger?
Six months ago??

If Alberto wants to personally experience the "Lance Effect" at a race, he will need to pack up his suitcase of courage and venture a bit further from his peublo.

so to answer your questions...
1) No, but it appears Contador is doing the dodging.
2) Alberto does not like argy bargy
3) How does this make YOU feel?

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that Lance regularly used to climb off in July and climb back on again in March, for the occasional ride.
He now gets paid 3 million Aussie dollars to go and top up his tan, rather than turn any wheel in anger.

All Contador has to do to escape the "Lance Effect", as you put it, is to enter a race with lots of mountains.

Lance will be shopping for Cuckoo clocks in June as the Dauphine has a young king.

 

[ravens]

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that Lance regularly used to climb off in July and climb back on again in March, for the occasional ride.
He now gets paid 3 million Aussie dollars to go and top up his tan, rather than turn any wheel in anger.

All Contador has to do to escape the "Lance Effect", as you put it, is to enter a race with lots of mountains.

Lance will be shopping for Cuckoo clocks in June as the Dauphine has a young king.

Please, Dear Lord, no more tanning.

 

[Polish]

Exactly....and Alberto is racing the same program he raced last year.
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So Alberto is going to stick to the plan Bruyneel put forth last year. Genius!

Unfartunately for Alberto, he now has a temporary team and a DS that is famous for dope-busted GT winners. Not the same....

 

[Big GMaC]

You know, maybe LA should open his suitcase and check out some the things he has said in the past, it would probably be illuminating for him at this current time:

1. The riskiest thing you can do is get greedy - Lance Armstrong

Uh-Oh

2. It's nice to win. I'll never win again. - Lance Armstrong [after retirement No.1]

Nay a true'r word been said. And TTTs and Backwoods MTBs don't count, I'm only counting individual performances at International Level Road-Racing, you know, like before

3. I figure the faster I pedal, the faster I can retire - Lance Armstrong [Before retirement No.1]

Do you think that was the true reason behind that destructive cadence? What am saying... Although it could be why this time he is taking so long to piss off? Because he certainly isn't peddling fast now...

 

[Big GMaC]

So Alberto is going to stick to the plan Bruyneel put forth last year. Genius!

Unfartunately for Alberto, he now has a temporary team and a DS that is famous for dope-busted GT winners. Not the same....

Which makes it even stranger for Bruyneel this year to change that plan that one him his last two TdFs no? - Give me your thrilling insight into that one!

 

[Publicus]

So Alberto is going to stick to the plan Bruyneel put forth last year. Genius!

Unfartunately for Alberto, he now has a temporary team and a DS that is famous for dope-busted GT winners. Not the same....

And yet he's still going to beat Lance like a rented mule whenever the clip in together at a race. Makes sense that Lance would want to avoid being exposed in such a way, especially before the Tour de France. It would be disappointing to his sponsors and may cause mass suicide amongst his legion of true believers.

You can run Lance, but you can't hide. Reality is coming...

 

[Big GMaC]

Reality is coming...

I can't get on YouTube to post the link, but have you seen the video of Tom Cruise running away from his gay thoughts? That is how I picture Lance's dreams at the moment. But unlike Tom, Lance cannot get away from the imposing domination of Alberto...

 

[Race Radio]

So Alberto is going to stick to the plan Bruyneel put forth last year. Genius!

Unfartunately for Alberto, he now has a temporary team and a DS that is famous for dope-busted GT winners. Not the same....

Do you really think The Hog had anything to do with AC's schedule last year?

Which of Martinelli's GT winners has tested positive?

 

[Polish]

Do you really think The Hog had anything to do with AC's schedule last year?

Which of Martinelli's GT winners has tested positive?

Do you really think Bruyneel had nothing to do with Alberto's 2009 sched?

Which of Martinelli's GT winners were clean?

 

[Race Radio]

Do you really think Bruyneel had nothing to do with Alberto's 2009 sched?

Which of Martinelli's GT winners were clean?

Contador planned his own schedule

Which of the Hog's GT winners were clean?

 

[Polish]

Contador planned his own schedule

Which of the Hog's GT winners were clean?

Contador may have planned his own DOPING program, but the only RACE program difference between this year and last will be the absence of Johan's stategical and tactical genius. Oh, and the temporary "team" Alberto will FingerBangBang and DUMP come end of July....how nice.

How many more GT's winners does Bruyneel have over Martinelli where we can ask if they were clean.

 

[Race Radio]

Contador may have planned his own DOPING program, but the only RACE program difference between this year and last will be the absence of Johan's stategical and tactical genius. Oh, and the temporary "team" Alberto will FingerBangBang and DUMP come end of July....how nice.

How many more GT's winners does Bruyneel have over Martinelli where we can ask if they were clean.

Strategical and tactical genius?

What flavor Cool Aide are you drinking this morning? Did you add some Vodka to it?