The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Carboncrank]

Like I said, a stubborn human being.

When you're arguing about something in a public forum and 1 or 2 people disagree with you... I see a point for you to come back and make believers out of them. But when 90-95% of the people engaging in the conversation disagree with you... you kinda get the point eventually. This person doesn't.

It takes a psychopath to think that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I take it you think this forum is everyone. That's a laugh. I know plenty of people who agree with me. They just tire of the abuse they get from internet cranks. My self worth isn't the least tied to what people say about me here so it doesn't matter to me. There are some reasonable people here and I hear things of value about cycling here that are hard to find elsewhere.

It's typical of people who can't defend their position to attack the messenger when they can't attack the message. I see a lot of that here.

This is a place where a core people that Hate Lance come to pat each other on the back. I've seen forums where they still argue we didn't go to the moon. If I was passionate about it I could go there and 99.9% would disagree with me. I would NOT make them right any more than being in the majority here makes you right.

The fact I'm a minority doesn't mean squat.

 

[BroDeal]

The fact I'm a minority doesn't mean squat.

It's a pretty good sign that you are a kook.

 

[Oldman]

This is how totally dishonest and bankrupt you can be.

The tape you supply does NOT prove what you say. IT PROVES COMPETELY THE OPPOSITE TO ANYONE THAT BOTHERS TO LOOK CLOSELY AT IT.

At the beginning it shows Kloden and Lance together, but as soon as you see the very first onscreen graphics a mere 15 seconds into the vid you can clearly see that A Schleck is 30 seconds back, F Schleck is 50 seconds back and Lance's group is 59. He spends about 1 minute at the front of the group that is 4th place through 8th, he's riding tempo, never out of the saddle, the gap to Alberto ever widening. It could be said at that point they are actually slowing the group. At 1'44 in you clearly see Wigoo, F Schleck and Nibali and no Lance or Kloden in the picture.

Even if you look earlier, right after Alberto went at times Lance and AK were at the front of a group but the whole group had no pace, wasn't gong anywhere. Look at the way Sastre bridges back up to them. If that was a counter attack it was the lamest one in the history of cycling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8-TnUjrzV4&feature=related

As much as many disagree with you I always thought it was Kloden's and Armstrong's job to stay as close to the other prime contenders as possible. If Armstrong represented any long term help strategically (not actually) , it would be because he was close enough to Contador and Scheck to represent a threat. To those that are figuring out tactical planning: that is bike racing 101. You want as many folks as possible in the mix. Lance was, however; gassed. So were the other guys but noone should interpret LA's posture as potentially stronger. He didn't have anything more to give.

 

[pmcg76]

I take it you think this forum is everyone. That's a laugh. I know plenty of people who agree with me. They just tire of the abuse they get from internet cranks. My self worth isn't the least tied to what people say about me here so it doesn't matter to me. There are some reasonable people here and I hear things of value about cycling here that are hard to find elsewhere.

It's typical of people who can't defend their position to attack the messenger when they can't attack the message. I see a lot of that here.

This is a place where a core people that Hate Lance come to pat each other on the back. I've seen forums where they still argue we didn't go to the moon. If I was passionate about it I could go there and 99.9% would disagree with me. I would NOT make them right any more than being in the majority here makes you right.

The fact I'm a minority doesn't mean squat.

I think you will find that the cyclingnews website is generally considered the best English language cycling website on the forum and is where most cycling fans come first for info on pro cycling, I know I have been coming here since 2001. Its also the one site that doesnt have a big influence from one particular nation like Velonews for example. Surely it would follow that the people who are in the forums represent fairly accurately the people who visit the website and follow cycling. Why is it then that the majority dont seem to like Lance, surely not coincidence.

 

[Race Radio]

I take it you think this forum is everyone. That's a laugh. I know plenty of people who agree with me.

Those are not people, those are the voices in your head.

It's typical of people who can't defend their position to attack the messenger when they can't attack the message. I see a lot of that here.

I see it often here as well. most often in your posts like this one.

I've long held that a core group here of 20 or 30 members have long harbored such a hatred for Lance Armstrong that it bordered insanity.

It in fact may be proof of a mental disorder.

You hate him and yet he won't go away. A fact that so frustrates you because there is nothing you can do about it, that you become pathological.

I reading an article in Sceintific American about a study called; "Lacking control Increases Illusory Pattern Perception."

Illusory pattern perception defined as the identification of a coherent and meaningful interrelationship among a set of random or unrelated stimuli. such as the tendency to perceive false correlations, see imaginary figures, form superstitious ritual, and embrace conspiracy beliefs, among others.

"Feelings of control are essential for our well being. Lacking control is highly aversive, so we instinctively seek out patterns to regain control.

This group of member here is so frustrated by their absolute lack of control over his return to prominence and fame, so infuriated any time anybody says good things about him, which happens frequently here and in the press that they engage in exactly the behaviors described in the study.

I also think this perfectly explains the birthers, and tea baggers.

I hope you don't dwell on this hatred away from here. There's strong evidence that it's extremely detrimental to your overall cognitive abilities and your health and longevity.

The one thing we all agree on is that you are a troll. You have been banned many times for a reason.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Even the Youtube videos come out different, down Crank's PC, than on everyone else's screen.

Pharmstrong trying to hang on to Kloden's little train, after Nibs, Wiggo and Frank had already left the station. Then he gets jumped by Carlos and Cuddles.

Kloden towed the old guy for 5 kms of the 8 km climb. He had to slow on several occasions so the Astana "guest" could keep up.

As much as many disagree with you I always thought it was Kloden's and Armstrong's job to stay as close to the other prime contenders as possible.

It is and is done by "sitting on" the back of the leader group, not driving it.

 

[Race Radio]

This is how totally dishonest and bankrupt you can be.

The tape you supply does NOT prove what you say. IT PROVES COMPETELY THE OPPOSITE TO ANYONE THAT BOTHERS TO LOOK CLOSELY AT IT.

At the beginning it shows Kloden and Lance together, but as soon as you see the very first onscreen graphics a mere 15 seconds into the vid you can clearly see that A Schleck is 30 seconds back, F Schleck is 50 seconds back and Lance's group is 59. He spends about 1 minute at the front of the group that is 4th place through 8th, he's riding tempo, never out of the saddle, the gap to Alberto ever widening. It could be said at that point they are actually slowing the group. At 1'44 in you clearly see Wigoo, F Schleck and Nibali and no Lance or Kloden in the picture.

Even if you look earlier, right after Alberto went at times Lance and AK were at the front of a group but the whole group had no pace, wasn't gong anywhere. Look at the way Sastre bridges back up to them. If that was a counter attack it was the lamest one in the history of cycling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8-TnUjrzV4&feature=related

The moonshine is effecting your eyesight

 

[ChrisE]

I just saw a Michelob Ultra commercial with LA, cocking around to that Blur song where they keep singing "woo-hoo".

Time to boycott Ultra.

 

[Carboncrank]

This is simple, you accuse everyone else of being mentally ill, but in the who is better: Lance or Merckx thread, you cannot even admit Merckx was better but rather throw out some line about Merckx saying Lance is the best. I think 99.9% of people who follow cycling would say Merckx is the best and the other .1% are the usual clueless Lance fans. To not even be able to admit somebody was better than Lance is really ill.

There's a tendency in all sports to overly glorify past champions. It's especially common in older people who want to reminisce.

Well, I'm old, and I don't by it. Every sport is now being played by the most talented, gifted athelets that have ever lived. I love Eddy, but if you took him at his peak and threw him in with todays lions they'd have him for breakfast.

It's a thing called evolution.

Even Alberto better be better than he was last year because his competition certainly will be. That's life.

Eddy likely would have won more tours if he'd ridden less Giros.
Lance could have won a load of Giros but it would have likely cost him some Tour wins.
They were both the greatest in their own time. Is that an unreasonable opinion?

Hinault is the one I wouldn't want to meet in a dark ally.

 

[pmcg76]

There's a tendency in all sports to overly glorify past champions. It's especially common in older people who want to reminisce.

Well, I'm old, and I don't by it. Every sport is now being played by the most talented, gifted athelets that have ever lived. I love Eddy, but if you took him at his peak and threw him in with todays lions they'd have him for breakfast.

It's a thing called evolution.

Even Alberto better be better than he was last year because his competition certainly will be. That's life.

Eddy likely would have won more tours if he'd ridden less Giros.
Lance could have won a load of Giros but it would have likely cost him some Tour wins.
They were both the greatest in their own time. Is that an unreasonable opinion?

Hinault is the one I wouldn't want to meet in a dark ally.

That is total rubbish, if we were going back and comparing guys from the 20s/30s, it might be different but Merckx was the man just over 30 years ago in a very competitive era. The races are the same today as they were 30 years ago, you can only compare the records of each rider, I could argue if Merckx had the training, equipment, medical back-up of current pros, he would still whip them all. Of that I have no doubt.

I am not old, I wasnt even born when Merckx was around and I am too young to remember Hinault but I can easily identify they are the two greatest based on their results and after all its about winning as Lance would tell you.

 

[Señor_Contador]

[...]The fact I'm a minority doesn't mean squat.

Indeed.

 

[Oldman]

Even the Youtube videos come out different, down Crank's PC, than on everyone else's screen.

Pharmstrong trying to hang on to Kloden's little train, after Nibs, Wiggo and Frank had already left the station. Then he gets jumped by Carlos and Cuddles.

Kloden towed the old guy for 5 kms of the 8 km climb. He had to slow on several occasions so the Astana "guest" could keep up.



It is and is done by "sitting on" the back of the leader group, not driving it.

Weren't the real contenders up the road? You're point is taken, that they could have elicited some help and then shut things down when the others were collected. They didn't succeed doing either and that was where they screwed up. Still; if I've got someone up the road and several in between; the prudent strategy is limit the unknowns up the road in case something happens to your leader. Again; Klodi managed to blow themselves up and help the opposition. Who was screaming into his ear, I wonder, Bruyneel?

 

[Señor_Contador]

I still want to know how LA is going to beat AC or AS next year.

Lance is bound to blow up in any mountain stage.

You choose.

 

[pmcg76]

Weren't the real contenders up the road? You're point is taken, that they could have elicited some help and then shut things down when the others were collected. They didn't succeed doing either and that was where they screwed up. Still; if I've got someone up the road and several in between; the prudent strategy is limit the unknowns up the road in case something happens to your leader. Again; Klodi managed to blow themselves up and help the opposition. Who was screaming into his ear, I wonder, Bruyneel?

Yeah, that sounds fine but only if you can counter the attack straight away. If the gap is 20 seconds or more, you dont try to shut them down if you risk bringing the other contenders back up towards the team-mate up front.

 

[issoisso]

Troll. Feed the. DO NOT.

Am I speaking chinese here?

 

[Carboncrank]

Pharmstrong trying to hang on to Kloden's little train, after Nibs, Wiggo and Frank had already left the station. Then he gets jumped by Carlos and Cuddles.

He's "trying to hang on" but he's attacking?

Make up your mind. Either criticize him for not being strong enough or criticize him for trying to counter attack. You can't have it both ways.

You sound about as bad as Alberto trying to pay both the victor and the victim.

Alberto proved clearly made a statement on that stage that he was far better than anybody. Why is that not enough for you?

 

[Mellow Velo]

An indictment of the Vebier "strategy", came on the Romme/Colombiere stage, that followed the rest day.
This time Kloden tried to go with the Big 3, while Armstrong sat and made use of CVdV working for Wiggins, then Wiggins, himself; as did Nibali.
Lance knew that to try and go with the climbers, that early, would have meant the end of any podium aspirations and possible humilitation.
So he chose the conservative and correct approach.

He's "trying to hang on" but he's attacking?

Driving the tempo of the group, to chase, which is what Kloden was doing, isn't attacking.
Your word, not mine.
"He" was hanging.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Am I speaking chinese here?

No, his computer is.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

So far, the troller is achieving the mission LA (aka pharmastrong) gave him: hijacking this forum.

 

[Oldman]

Yeah, that sounds fine but only if you can counter the attack straight away. If the gap is 20 seconds or more, you dont try to shut them down if you risk bringing the other contenders back up towards the team-mate up front.

Totally agree. You can initiate the pursuit and hope the left-behind contenders jump in and supply the power and hurt themselves. That sets up a nice counter. That's why I wondered who was telling Klodi to continue unless he was supplying the initiative. LA didn't seem to be talking much and no one had a counter punch in that lineup.

 

[Carboncrank]

That is total rubbish, if we were going back and comparing guys from the 20s/30s, it might be different but Merckx was the man just over 30 years ago in a very competitive era. The races are the same today as they were 30 years ago, you can only compare the records of each rider, I could argue if Merckx had the training, equipment, medical back-up of current pros, he would still whip them all. Of that I have no doubt.

I am not old, I wasnt even born when Merckx was around and I am too young to remember Hinault but I can easily identify they are the two greatest based on their results and after all its about winning as Lance would tell you.

Would you argue that a 100 meter sprinter from 30 years ago was better than one today? Or a marathoner?

It's obvious in every sport that races the clock that humans getting better all the time. You may think that doesn't apply to Grand Tour riders but you'd be wrong. Results in cycling may be harder to quantify but human evolution didn't skip your sport just so you can maintain some romantic image about the glorious past.

 

[issoisso]

So far, the troller is achieving the mission LA (aka pharmastrong) gave him: hijacking this forum.

It's amazing how they actually keep responding. He's LOVING it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I just saw a Michelob Ultra commercial with LA, cocking around to that Blur song where they keep singing "woo-hoo".

Time to boycott Ultra.

Way ahead of ya.

 

[Race Radio]

Oh yeah, todays riders are so much better then Merckx.

That is why Chris Boardman, one of the greatest TT riders of this generation, was only able to beat Merckx's hour record by 10 meters.


Never go full ***, or you get exposed as the troll that you are.

 

[Oldman]

Would you argue that a 100 meter sprinter from 30 years ago was better than one today? Or a marathoner?

It's obvious in every sport that races the clock that humans getting better all the time. You may think that doesn't apply to Grand Tour riders but you'd be wrong. Results in cycling may be harder to quantify but human evolution didn't skip your sport just so you can maintain some romantic image about the glorious past.

That's the point. I personally know riders that rode with LA. They could drop him on the flats in a TTT because they were sharing efforts equally. Not just the young/clean LA; we're talking the pre-cancer pro LA. Since you bought up human evolution you'd need to acknowledge there wasn't enough genetic credentials in LA's history to explain his later performances. You can only lose so much weight and fine tune training to minor degrees.