The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[BYOP88]

Because many of the riders in question had a contract with the Hog, not Astana. Contra had a contract with Astana though, with all sorts of strings (blame Fran for that), so even getting a buy out was next to impossible.

Thanks for the answer, now my next question

When the Astana riders didn't get paid last year, was it riders who had contracts with the hog, ones who had a contract with the team or a mix of both?

 

[Ripper]

Thanks for the answer, now my next question

When the Astana riders didn't get paid last year, was it riders who had contracts with the hog, ones who had a contract with the team or a mix of both?

I'm not sure who didn't get paid. Seeing the words from Chris Horner, it seems like most people did get paid. Horner was paid, and he postulates that if Contra was not paid, he'd be outta there, so I think the 'non-payment' was either isolated or not a reality.

 

[UpTheRoad]

I'm not sure who didn't get paid. Seeing the words from Chris Horner, it seems like most people did get paid. Horner was paid, and he postulates that if Contra was not paid, he'd be outta there, so I think the 'non-payment' was either isolated or not a reality.

Was Savoldelli on Astana last year?

 

[BYOP88]

Was Savoldelli on Astana last year?

No he had the sense to leave the year the Hog took over.

 

[Carboncrank]

Well if I am guily of character assassination then I am ok with it.

All I did was include a few things Armstrong said at the start of the season and I think everyone seen for themselves what actually occured.

Dont blame me, talk to Lance for making such proclamations and then going completely against them. Its Lance that makes the fool of himself not us, we are just here pointing out the obvious.

I know its hard for you to handle but you cannot argue with the facts and truth.

check the post. I wasn't quoting you.

 

[Carboncrank]

I understand that. I'm just noting the disconnect between what he is saying and what he is actually doing.

He's doing Tour of Murcia, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders, Amstel Gold Race Liege-Bastogne-Liege, and the Tour of California. Add the Tour Down Under and you have seven major races before the tour.

He'll probably add some US racing in there too.

What does Alberto's schedule look like?

 

[Carboncrank]

CC so you can find me a link that isn't either Bruyneel, Armstrong or McQuaid saying that the Kazakh Federation was at fault? I can provide this:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-payment-yet-for-astana

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/protour-2010-astana-reassures-uci

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4219642

I stand corrected. It didn't take 30 seconds. It took 0.09 seconds.

Those are the first 3 hits of a Google search on "Astana UCI payments".

Even the KCF admits they were behind, although behind is a gross understatement, they were 6,000,000 euros "behind".

"Mediator for the Kazakh federation, Rinus Wagtmans, told Belgian broadcaster Sporza, "The Kazakhs have told the UCI that they have tried to raise the funds, but that they were not successful"

Are you just too lazy to get facts?

 

[Publicus]

He's doing Tour of Murcia, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders, Amstel Gold Race Liege-Bastogne-Liege, and the Tour of California. Add the Tour Down Under and you have seven major races before the tour.

He'll probably add some US racing in there too.

What does Alberto's schedule look like?

Thanks for that. He's also doing Criterium International and possibly the Dauphine or Tour of Switzerland. I'll provide you with Alberto's calendar just as soon as you explain its relevance to the discussion topic.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Thanks for that. He's also doing Criterium International and possibly the Dauphine or Tour of Switzerland. I'll provide you with Alberto's calendar just as soon as you explain its relevance to the discussion topic.

Maybe he is curious to see which races on Lance's schedule he is going to back out of?

 

[bianchigirl]

CC what a shame you don't actually bother to read the links you provide - the first refers to extra payments required by the UCI which were illegal, the second is from September again referring to illegal extra guarantees and the third - well, that's a straight fail I'm afraid as it contains nothing other than the wit and wisdom of the Hog, whose word I wouldn't trust if I was dying of cancer and he said he had the cure.

When you can refute the contention that Bruyneel wasn't playing dirty tricks with the assistance of the UCI then I'll play - hint: you need to start looking on some foreign language websites for the other side of the story

 

[Carboncrank]

Thanks for that. He's also doing Criterium International and possibly the Dauphine or Tour of Switzerland. I'll provide you with Alberto's calendar just as soon as you explain its relevance to the discussion topic.

You said; "thought he was supposed to be having a more traditional year?"

That looks like a pretty traditional year.

And you said; "I'm just noting the disconnect between what he is saying and what he is actually doing."

I don't see any disconnect between his claim and his schedule.

How does Alberto's schedule stack up as a traditional year?

Maybe the new team will get hip to this new thing called the internet and put up a website. Maybe after they get done putting radios in the cars.

 

[Carboncrank]

CC what a shame you don't actually bother to read the links you provide - the first refers to extra payments required by the UCI which were illegal, the second is from September again referring to illegal extra guarantees and the third - well, that's a straight fail I'm afraid as it contains nothing other than the wit and wisdom of the Hog, whose word I wouldn't trust if I was dying of cancer and he said he had the cure.

When you can refute the contention that Bruyneel wasn't playing dirty tricks with the assistance of the UCI then I'll play - hint: you need to start looking on some foreign language websites for the other side of the story

What are you talking about "illegal"?

All the teams have to put money in escrow. Are you ignorant of that practice?

If you answer to everything is going to be "UCI is in the bag" then you have a ready excuse and there's no use talking to you.

It is conspiracy thinking and it's crackpot.

Get back to me when you get over the notion that only you and a handful cranks know the truth and the rest of us are dupes. It's an insult to your intelligence.

 

[DigitalIbis]

This article...

http://www.wellsphere.com/triathlon...jerseys-in-protest-of-not-getting-paid/677071

..says KCF only paid two months of salary by the time May rolled around. Seems like some of the sponsors plus the KCF were holding back some funds.

 

[Race Radio]

What are you talking about "illegal"?

All the teams have to put money in escrow. Are you ignorant of that practice?

If you answer to everything is going to be "UCI is in the bag" then you have a ready excuse and there's no use talking to you.

It is conspiracy thinking and it's crackpot.

Get back to me when you get over the notion that only you and a handful cranks know the truth and the rest of us are dupes. It's an insult to your intelligence.

Give up while you are behind, you just got owned by a girl.

 

[Carboncrank]

Give up while you are behind, you just got owned by a girl.

You talk like a 12 year old.

 

[Publicus]

You said; "thought he was supposed to be having a more traditional year?"

That looks like a pretty traditional year.

And you said; "I'm just noting the disconnect between what he is saying and what he is actually doing."

I don't see any disconnect between his claim and his schedule.

How does Alberto's schedule stack up as a traditional year?

Maybe the new team will get hip to this new thing called the internet and put up a website. Maybe after they get done putting radios in the cars.

I raised the point because he's doing Argus, which isn't a traditional race, but a charity event. He's been talking ad nausem that he will focus on a more traditional preparation. So taking a week out of March to do charity events and a charity ride seems at odd with that declaration.

Alberto's calendar is not in any way, shape or form related to that topic. Stay focused grasshopper.

 

[Carboncrank]

I raised the point because he's doing Argus, which isn't a traditional race, but a charity event. He's been talking ad nausem that he will focus on a more traditional preparation. So taking a week out of March to do charity events and a charity ride seems at odd with that declaration.

Alberto's calendar is not in any way, shape or form related to that topic. Stay focused grasshopper.

he's probably going to do some US racing as well.

My advice to you? Don't worry about it.

Me thinks you can't find Ablerto's calender.

 

[Carboncrank]

I raised the point because he's doing Argus, which isn't a traditional race, but a charity event. He's been talking ad nausem that he will focus on a more traditional preparation. So taking a week out of March to do charity events and a charity ride seems at odd with that declaration.

Alberto's calendar is not in any way, shape or form related to that topic. Stay focused grasshopper.

I only do this because you seem to love the he/said she/said aspect of discussion.

You claimed a disconnect between what he said and what he's doing.

According to his published schedule, there is none.

Admit you were wrong and move on.

 

[Carboncrank]

CC what a shame you don't actually bother to read the links you provide - the first refers to extra payments required by the UCI which were illegal, the second is from September again referring to illegal extra guarantees and the third - well, that's a straight fail I'm afraid as it contains nothing other than the wit and wisdom of the Hog, whose word I wouldn't trust if I was dying of cancer and he said he had the cure.

When you can refute the contention that Bruyneel wasn't playing dirty tricks with the assistance of the UCI then I'll play - hint: you need to start looking on some foreign language websites for the other side of the story

I notice you skipped the part where I quote KCF admitting fault.
""Mediator for the Kazakh federation, Rinus Wagtmans, told Belgian broadcaster Sporza, "The Kazakhs have told the UCI that they have tried to raise the funds, but that they were not successful"

Shall I find you more?

Anyone else out there claim with any proof that there were some sort of "llegal extra guarantees "?

For the record. Bank guarantees are spelled out in UCI regulation. Go to 2.15.092

http://www.uciprotour.com/Modules/B...&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34028&LangId=1

Here's a very detailed article from May 09.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2009/05/04/will-the-giro-be-astanas-last-race/

But she'll just probably now claim Bicycling magazine is in the bag too.

 

[UpTheRoad]

He's doing Tour of Murcia, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders, Amstel Gold Race Liege-Bastogne-Liege, and the Tour of California. Add the Tour Down Under and you have seven major races before the tour.

He'll probably add some US racing in there too.

What does Alberto's schedule look like?

Do you think Armstrong will win any of them?

 

[BYOP88]

Do you think Armstrong will win any of them?

HELL NO, he might regain the Nevada City Classic(if they offer enough dead presidents for him to turn up), which is probably the hardest race in the world, expect to see the best Shack line-up there.

 

[Mellow Velo]

You talk like a 12 year old.

and one day, so will you.

Seriously and aside from the ongoing debate.
Re: The Tour of Murcia. None of the main Spanish teams are not taking part, due to a dispute over race safety and appearance fees.
I wonder if Armstrong might not pull out, over these two issues, that are very close to his heart?

 

[Publicus]

I only do this because you seem to love the he/said she/said aspect of discussion.

You claimed a disconnect between what he said and what he's doing.

According to his published schedule, there is none.

Admit you were wrong and move on.

I not only claimed, but demonstrated that what he's claimed isn't true. So instead of racing through the rest of March, he's doing a charity event in South Africa. And for the record, the only party speaking is Lance Armstrong, which is frankly a fascinating he said, he said situation.

Perhaps you should admit that your efforts at trolling this part of the discussion has failed and move on.

 

[Publicus]

he's probably going to do some US racing as well.

My advice to you? Don't worry about it.

Me thinks you can't find Ablerto's calender.

Alberto's calendar is irrelevant to the discussion. I've simply declined to take your troll bait. You have much to learn.

 

[UpTheRoad]

How long until Chris Carmichael comes up with a training program for professional cyclists that includes group breakfast rides as a primary component?