The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Carboncrank]

No, race director admitted that they paid Armstrong a hefty appearence fee. We all went along with the hard-times facade but no sponsors backed out or no reductions were ever announced, they only announced the race was to be shortened after they confirmed Lance's appearence. Straight after the race, they announced the race would be 5 days again next year which suggests they know something about the Irish economy we dont.

Potential sponsors are courted at events all the time. Who's to say that commitments made by those present didn't account for being able to say the race would be back to five days?

CycleSport magazine November "McQuaid had secured Armstrong's presence by convincing the Irish Touristboard to back the race....... McQuaid admitted it had cost him the equivilant of many thousands of pints of Guinness but was worth it"

So they actually got an extra sponsor on board but still had to cut the race by 2 days, make sense to you. McQuaid says it was worth it, well if cutting your race by 2 days to get one rider who then doesnt finish is 'worth it', it just shows where cycling is going.

They shortened the race and Lance went does not equal they shortened the race because Lance went. You're falling way short of cause and effect.

The period Between June 2007 and November 2008 saw the US lose 25% of it's wealth. I can't quote numbers for those of you in Europe but I wouldn't be surprised to find it roughly the same.

I think race organizers and teams management deserve a lot of credit for the way things have gone in general since then. I certainly though it was going to be much worse.

 

[Ripper]

It seem hypocritical to me that you, and others here, that go on an on about continued doping in the sport, would criticize a DS who holds his riders to a higher standard than UCI.

LMAO, this is pure entertainment! In a manner, you are correct. The Hog holds his riders to dope with a highly specialized program.

 

[Digger]

It seem hypocritical to me that you, and others here, that go on an on about continued doping in the sport, would criticize a DS who holds his riders to a higher standard than UCI.
Of course, none of this has the slightest thing to do with the bank guarantee issue so I'm wondering what woes you'd be talking about.

I question the message this sends other teams that are trying run their own programs to catch cheats themselves instead of waiting on the UCI.

Johan Bruyneel:
"The way I see it, cycling drug problem became an issue, when we agreed too readily to blood testing."
Direct quote from your boy.
And your boy also signed Basso when he was advised not to, and when no other team would touch him, because under the guidelines the teams had just signed, any rider linked to a doping investigation was not to be signed up.

Our speeding problem became an issue when speed cameras came into place.

 

[Anonymous]

From Pharmstrong's twitter

lancearmstrong I won't be forgetting this comment anytime soon. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article7017121.ece #whatatool

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article7017121.ece

Vaughters thinks Wiggins has further potential, even if it may not be realised in 2010. “The 2009 Tour route was suited to Brad, but 2010 is less so,” he said. “In 2009, the tactics worked in his favour and Astana were soft-pedalling a bit to not embarrass Lance [Armstrong]. And Brad is very good at a flat stage that has a big hill at the finish and we saw a lot of that in 2009.”

brilliant! Spoken like a true 14 year old girl. I wonder if that Olsen twin taught him that.

You know, we actually have a lot to thank LA for, he has raised awareness of so many issues, not just cancer. His wisdom has spread throughout all communities. In fact, I've started thanking him on twitter with the tag #wisdomoflance. I might also start asking #whatwouldlancedo when I have a dilemma.

 

[ErmOkk]

Isn't he just telling the truth? Would there be any cyclist that does forget an insult like that anytime soon? I know he isn't a nice person, but making 75 pages of insults isn't quite mature either .

 

[bianchigirl]

Do you know where the money came from to pay Gusev - why the guarantee of course! Which is why the KF were more than a little unwilling to be asked to keep topping up a guarantee that Bruyneel could then p*ss up the wall on unwise managerial decisions.In fact, the UCI froze the Astana guarantee against this case - the decision of which, incidentally, Bruyneel did not want making public - and then demanded another bank guarantee from the KF when CAS found Olympus Sarl to be at fault.

There is a big question begging to be asked about Bruyneel's conduct over the Gusev affair - why didn't he go straight to the UCI? Instead he panics, fires him (even though the UCI say Gusev is free to race and his values are fine) and then lays himself open to a huge fine when Gusev appeals. I guess you could say he was taking the moral high ground - conversely you could say they attempted a 'one bad apple' cover up - choice is yours

 

[Anonymous]

Check it out, Lance in a picture with his live-in on the left and the mother of his baby on the right. I wonder if Anna minds sharing the bed with two people?

 

[**Uru**]

You people are far too obsessed with all things Lance. Most of you hate his guts. Why not just have ZERO threads about Lance? Based on the way most of you feel, it would be better anyway. Personally, I do not think the guy makes that much interesting news and is given more weight for his actions than he really deserves. Getting tired of the same posts over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[Ripper]

You people are far too obsessed with all things Lance. Most of you hate his guts. Why not just have ZERO threads about Lance? Based on the way most of you feel, it would be better anyway. Personally, I do not think the guy makes that much interesting news and is given more weight for his actions than he really deserves. Getting tired of the same posts over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Then why are you reading and posting on a Lance-focused thread?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Then why are you reading and posting on a Lance-focused thread?

Maybe he needed something to bitch about.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe he needed something to bitch about.

Irony deficency is the most likely cause. A good multi-vitamin should help them out.

 

[Big GMaC]

Irony deficency is the most likely cause. A good multi-vitamin should help them out.

Whats irony?

Well its like goldy and silvery. But made of iron.

 

[BroDeal]

You people are far too obsessed with all things Lance. Most of you hate his guts. Why not just have ZERO threads about Lance? Based on the way most of you feel, it would be better anyway. Personally, I do not think the guy makes that much interesting news and is given more weight for his actions than he really deserves. Getting tired of the same posts over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

LOL. This is the guy who cliams he is indifferent to Armstrong, but flies into a rage about people dissing him.

Armstrong is a fraud. There is a good reason to hate him just like there is good reason to hate Bernie Madoff.

 

[Carboncrank]

Do you know where the money came from to pay Gusev - why the guarantee of course! Which is why the KF were more than a little unwilling to be asked to keep topping up a guarantee that Bruyneel could then p*ss up the wall on unwise managerial decisions.In fact, the UCI froze the Astana guarantee against this case - the decision of which, incidentally, Bruyneel did not want making public - and then demanded another bank guarantee from the KF when CAS found Olympus Sarl to be at fault.

You have no proof of what you are claiming. You keep making stuff up, I knock it down, you change the subject and make more stuff up.
You don't know the details of Gusevs settlement or how and when it got paid and by whom any more than I do. The case was woefully underported. There's a lot I wish I new about how Gusev's side was argued. I don't know why your persist in this stuff when you know I have Googling skills.

The bank guarentee problem had been solved by June 11th.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kazakhstan-pays-up-for-astana

The CAS decision wasn't declared until June 15th.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gusev-back-in-action-after-cas-decision

There was never any relationship between the two, no evidence 2009 bank guarantee funds were used to pay a 2008 contract issuse,

There is a big question begging to be asked about Bruyneel's conduct over the Gusev affair - why didn't he go straight to the UCI? Instead he panics, fires him (even though the UCI say Gusev is free to race and his values are fine) and then lays himself open to a huge fine when Gusev appeals. I guess you could say he was taking the moral high ground - conversely you could say they attempted a 'one bad apple' cover up - choice is yours

Astana stipulated in all it's riders contracts that they had to submit to in house testing and stay within parameters that were spelled out.

CAS evidently disagreed with Damsgaard's evaluation.

I have more I'd like to say about this but don't want to violate the rules on talking doping in this part of the forum.

 

[Carboncrank]

Johan Bruyneel:
"The way I see it, cycling drug problem became an issue, when we agreed too readily to blood testing."
Direct quote from your boy.
And your boy also signed Basso when he was advised not to, and when no other team would touch him, because under the guidelines the teams had just signed, any rider linked to a doping investigation was not to be signed up.

Our speeding problem became an issue when speed cameras came into place.

If you're going to wrap that in quotes why not just post the link to where you got it?

As you probably know Basso had been acquitted before he signed with Discovery.

Lots of riders have been busted for doping but never one riding for Johann.

 

[Digger]

If you're going to wrap that in quotes why not just post the link to where you got it?

As you probably know Basso had been acquitted before he signed with Discovery.

Lots of riders have been busted for doping but never one riding for Johann.

Funny how he ended with a two year ban after he signed.

Link is from a book....

No whilst with Johan...lol...amazing how they start cheating when they finish with Johan. One would think that when htye saw how clean Lance was, they would see that doping was not needed. Strange.

 

[bianchigirl]

Perhaps you should have read the CAS findings then - I suggest you use your superior Googling skills to find and read it. Of course it helps to be able to read it in the original (French) but I've no doubt you can Google up a machine translation

The KF paying up doesn't really address the issue of the frozen guarantee or the fact that Olympus were forced to draw on it to pay off Gusev now does it?

You do delight me though CC, your mixture of ad hominem attack, superiority complex and entirely misplaced arrogance leads me to believe you really don't believe a word of the bollox you spout. So please let me know who employs you as I'd love to spend my days bigging up the Boss and not believing a word of it

 

[Mellow Velo]

If you're going to wrap that in quotes why not just post the link to where you got it?

As you probably know Basso had been acquitted before he signed with Discovery.

Lots of riders have been busted for doping but never one riding for Johann.

That must be right as Bruyneel had a team of lawyers working to find a loophole in the PT charter, so that he could sign him.
They did and he did.

Trouble is, nobody told CONI and there was that little matter of his DNA matching his blood bag.
So, they had to unsign him, or else pay his wages for two years, while he served his time.

Still, the facts never stand in the way of a comical piece of trolling.

 

[this_is_edie]

I take it back - watching CC **** his head against a wall time and time again is actually entertaining.

 

[BroDeal]

Lots of riders have been busted for doping but never one riding for Johann.

Benoit Jaochim: Nandrolone
Frankie Andreu: EPO
Lance Armstrong: EPO
7 out of 8 TdF riders in 2009: Illegal transfusions

 

[Carboncrank]

Benoit Jaochim: Nandrolone
Frankie Andreu: EPO
Lance Armstrong: EPO
7 out of 8 TdF riders in 2010: Illegal transfusions

Have I missed the 2010 TdF? What the f are you talking about?

Of course, you lie.
Jaochim was cleared.
Andreu never failed a drug test.
Lance never failed a drug test. The tests on 4 year old blood are not legally supportable and the last time I checked he was still listed as the winner of the race.

Get over it.

Oh.. I just checked again.. he's still listed as the winner of that race.

 

[BroDeal]

Of course, you lie.
Jaochim was cleared.
Andreu never failed a drug test.
Lance never failed a drug test. The tests on 4 year old blood are not legally supportable and the last time I checked he was still listed as the winner of the race.

Again you lie.

Jaochim had nandralone in his system. He tested positive. He was "cleared" on bogus grounds, i.e. the test had taken place a few weeks after the sample was taken. There was never any question that he was doping.

Andreu admitted using EPO on Postal. Another Postal rider, who is assumed to be Vaughters, also admitted to the New York TImes to using EPO on Postal.

Armstrong had artificial EPO in six of his urine samples.

The DNA of seven out of eight Astana riders was found on illegal transfusion equipment at the 2009 TdF.

They all doped. There is no question about it. Get over it.

 

[Carboncrank]

That must be right as Bruyneel had a team of lawyers working to find a loophole in the PT charter, so that he could sign him.
They did and he did.

Trouble is, nobody told CONI and there was that little matter of his DNA matching his blood bag.
So, they had to unsign him, or else pay his wages for two years, while he served his time.

Still, the facts never stand in the way of a comical piece of trolling.

Yea yea.. everyone you don't like is a troll.

It is true, CONI reopened the investigation, then Discovery released him from his contract.

Nothing I said was not fact.

 

[BroDeal]

Yea yea.. everyone you don't like is a troll.

You are a troll. That is why so many people have you on ignore.

 

[Carboncrank]

Again you lie.

Jaochim had nandralone in his system. He tested positive. He was "cleared" on bogus grounds, i.e. the test had taken place a few weeks after the sample was taken. There was never any question that he was doping.

Of course, we should all believe they were bogus grounds because you say so.

Andreu admitted using EPO on Postal. Another Postal rider, who is assumed to be Vaughters, also admitted to the New York TImes to using EPO on Postal.

His admissions don't make what I said untrue.

Armstrong had artificial EPO in six of his urine samples.

On frozen 4 year old blood kept under conditions that assured there was no possible way to legally argue that they were even HIS samples.

The DNA of seven out of eight Astana riders was found on illegal transfusion equipment at the 2009 TdF.

They all doped. There is no question about it. Get over it.

Oh my! how did I EVER miss Astana being stripped of its 2009 results?

Only true believers like you would believe that one.

If you have any more to say about this take to the clinic.